At current rumor prices; what are you thinking for Ryzen cpu purchase? Just curious

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  1. JNavy89GT

    JNavy89GT [H]ard|Gawd

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    I was hoping the 8c/16t was going to be more like $450ish, but the flagship cpu rumor is $600-750 from what I see. A bit rich for my blood; given nothing I use needs that much thread/power. I mainly game(CSGO, Overwatch, etc..) and tbh nothing I use pushes what I have(6700k@4.6), but when has that ever stopped us from switching up parts :p. I wouldn't mind being back in the AMD camp again; having fond memories of the old slot A, socket A athlons. I'm thinking I may back off to a 6c/12t higher clocked cpu provided when they come out Ryzen doesn't suck, and has similar IPC to intel with some oc headroom(4.4ghz+ I'm hoping). I'd expect these to be priced against current 7700k cpu's or a bit less????
    just wanted to see what people were thinking. I'd love the 8c/16t just to say I had it, but can't see spending nearly double on it. Maybe the lower clocked 8c/16t parts oc nearly as well and we'll have some gems like the old Celeron 300A, P4 2.4C, etc... and get some crazy value there, but not really banking on that. I also may wait a few weeks to month or so to see how the early adopters are fairing as I can't have an unstable setup in league csgo matches. Maybe let some of the markup dust settle as I'm sure retailers are going to be pretty proud of AMD's new toys. Thoughts?
     
  2. rgMekanic

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    If they release at prices like that it will flop. Too rich for mainstream, and an untested, and IMO slightly lacking chipset to compete with HEDT.
     
  3. gigaxtreme1

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    I'd like to see a rebate offer for early adopters, so they can push out the expense for that for another quarter. 50 dollar rebate for the first month or 2 weeks. Something like that. Or some kind of bundle deal on mobos.
     
  4. frunction

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    Depends on benchmarks.

    If the top end CPU is equal or close to a 6900K for 60% of the price, seems like a decent deal to me.

    Also, there's plenty of lower models that we don't know how good they are yet.
     
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    For me, a purchase isn't likely till the earliest being the end of this year, more likely the next. So by then prices may lower and the platform bugs/growing pains should be a bit more tolerable.

    But as Frunction mentioned, that is just the top sku, there are many others below that, a 4c/8t that likely will cost between $200-$300 and a 6c/12t that has yet to get much publicity as far as expected availability.
     
  6. fightingfi

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    i think the rumor is THE rumor :D
     
  7. kirbyrj

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    This...I mean I'd like a $500 CPU also, but the reality is it's probably "worth" $600+. If a 6C/12T part comes in around $300 to compete with the 6800k, I'd be happy.
     
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    It is all about the performance, not the price point. If the retail chips come out and can truly compete AMD might make some money. However from the single benchmark showing they compare with Haswell-E and we have Broadwell, Skylake, and now Kabylake on mainstream and Skylake-X and Kabylake-X and a new LGA 2066 coming in 2nd quarter. We all remember bulldozer select benchmarks and pre-release hype and the retail is going to be better chant don't we?

    All I am saying, no more crying wolf. We need to see fangs.
     
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  9. tangoseal

    tangoseal [H]ardness Supreme

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    Propaganda. Intel can have people leak out false information to get people to steer clear of the idea that hte chip is going to be affordable. A lot of people are sheep thus they will never check again once they have their minds made up about a particular topic. Convince them the price is going to be outrageous and they will not come back for a second look to find out that it never was that high.

    Governments control the populace using methodology like this in similar regard, not necessarily money, but its there.

    Good luck and hope you don't buy the hype until the prices are actually next to a "Place in cart" button.
     
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  10. Shintai

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    Isn't that the same as dont buy the hype until we see actual performance?
     
  11. buttons

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    I have never built a rig with a new intel processor, but im set to get an i7-7700k if amd doesnt have something very good for less in the next 3 weeks.
     
  12. drescherjm

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    I expect the 4C / 8T Zen will be a $200 US part or less. I also expect it will not have the IPC and not be able to hit the same overclocked frequency of the i7-7700k.

    As for when, wasn't the latest rumor early March?
     
  13. frunction

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    4c8t isn't as desirable any more with DX12 and games that take advantage of more cores.
     
  14. Pieter3dnow

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    Not so much a rumour :)

    http://www.hardocp.com/news/2017/01/31/amd_confirms_ryzen_vega_launch_timetables

    The performance of the 4C8T part may rely heavily on how the game is optimized. And yes overclocking would be something that I would have my doubts on.

    But that might as well be an AMD strategy to push people into 8 cores ...
     
  15. Shintai

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    What games? You may notice the CPU game results are the same as always despite DX12. DX12 if anything only lowers the CPU need as in less cores, less mhz.
     
  16. Pieter3dnow

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    Actually it depends on the programmer not the API the API allows this if the programmer writes the code supporting this ;) .
     
  17. Shintai

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    So no games? ;)
     
  18. ochadd

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    If they're not a steal I'll wait to see what Skylake HEDT looks like. In 2017 I will buy something with 6-10 cores that can hit 4.4+ ghz overclocked. I need M.2 slots and USB 3.1 Type C with the ability to play all new games for the next several years. 10 gigabit ethernet onboard, Optane memory support, and a second graphics card @ x16 without gimping anything else are perks I'd like.
     
  19. tangoseal

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    In technology waiting for the next big thing is a perpetual infinity of endless waiting. Just either get the darn Ryzen or don't. But sitting back and saying I will just wait is akin to an old saying when I used to live in Montana, "If you wait around on the weather, you will be waiting for ever".

    I have decided to get an 8c Ryzen because of two reasons, I am an old AMD fanboy, and secondly my 5 year+ old Sandy 3930K is getting a little slow for me in productivity. Gaming is still fine but productivity is a little slow. The ryzen 8c is sure to be significantly faster thus making it a good upgrade choice. Of course I will wait to see at least two consistent reviews to ensure it isn't an absolute flop. But I am betting this chip is going to be a real winner.

    I can see it now though.. no matter how fast it is, Intel pyschonut fans are going to say it's the biggest piece o' shit since silicon was discovered. This is no different than all these millennial college jerks going around burning down their city because they think President Trump is a racist when he never done or said a racist thing in his life. Just the mentality of being dedicated to wearing a set of reigns and blinders and wearing wool all over.
     
  20. Krenum

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    Looking forward to see what Ryzen offers in the APU department. Wanting to build a HTPC / Emulator box.
     
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    But they are a steal. At least 50% below I7 6900K for the flagship 1800X which equals and outperforms the Intel broadwell based chip at 3.6GHZ base frequency and 4.0 GHZ turbo.
     
  23. drescherjm

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    Even though I have plans to purchase a Zen CPU in March I fully expect this to be very inaccurate.
     
  24. bobzdar

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    Do you gamble on threading being more important or raw core speed?

    My 7 year old quad core still doesn't see all 4 cores fully loaded pretty much ever, single core speed is the bottleneck. That said,less than 4 cores probably would have seen this thing not make it this far and still be serviceable for my needs, though I never had to think about grabbing a 6 core chip.

    That tells me it was the right choice back then,so go for 8c/16t over a higher clocked 4c/8t for future proofing, but will stuff I do at home ever be that threaded? Amd gambled wrong with bulldozer thinking more threading was the answer 6 years ago and that didn't work out. Maybe now it is.

    For hpc I just use aws where I can get 10 nodes with 16 cores and 120gb of ram each for a few hours when I need it and don't have to pay for it the rest of the time. I'm more concerned about desktop (media/editing/gaming) loads. But with both companies having somewhat of an architecture convergence,which will be more important 5 years from now on desktop? Is 8 threads plenty? I'm thinking it might be. But, the 8c/16t will probably maintain its value better and may be a straight swap for a higher clocked 6c or 4c later on...

    Maybe the 6c12t will be the happy medium. Maybe the clocks on the 4c part won't be any higher so no downside to the 8c chip and that's the buy. Maybe the 4c will clock way higher so buy that and upgrade later if things finally get threaded enough to make use of 16t. So it's wait and see for a few more weeks.
     
  25. tangoseal

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    1. I have a 3930K @ 4.5ghz and trust me single threaded stuff is starting to feel slow in the most modern titles. I have no reservations that if Zen is as they purport, it will be at least 60-70% faster than my Sandy Bridge. If not that at least 50% faster then in all aspects from single the multithreaded.
    2. I have no idea why HF is putting numbers next to my sentences lol. I could figure it out but too lazy. So i will leave them here.
    3. Wow and it did it for number 3 also lol
     
  26. refraxion

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    I have the same CPU... it's not really showing its age that much is it?
     
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    No not at all. I just need a reason to upgrade so I am telling myself that.

    Its actually fast for gaming still. Just multhithreaded stuff is feeling a little dated compared to more modern 6 core and above chips.

    But in all honesty I have no idea what I would do with this 6 core if I get a zen. I could sell it sure. I have an E5-1600 series in m NAS so its good to go with a 2011 xeon there. I really have no idea what I would use this processor for.
     
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    Most likely, whichever octocore is around $400.
     
  30. Snowdog

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    It's a complete lineup from low to high and it looks like it will have a significant multithreaded price/performance advantage over Intel in every bracket. So it should be a winner everywhere outside of HEDT, and those who need insane single thread performance:

    http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-full-lineup-pricing-clock-speeds-leaked/

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                         Cores/Threads              L3         TDP     Base     Turbo     XFR        Unlocked    Price
    AMD Ryzen 7 1800X    8/16                       16MB       95W     3.6GHz   4.0GHz    4.0GHz+    Yes         $499
    AMD Ryzen 7 1700X    8/16                       16MB       95W     3.4GHz   3.8GHz    3.8GHz+    Yes         $389
    AMD Ryzen 7 1700     8/16                       16MB       65W     3.0GHz   3.7GHz    N/A        Yes         $319
    AMD Ryzen 5 1600X    6/12                       16MB       95W     3.3GHz   3.7GHz    3.7GHz+    Yes         $259
    AMD Ryzen 5 1500     6/12                       16MB       65W     3.2GHz   3.5GHz    N/A        Yes         $229
    AMD Ryzen 5 1400X    4/8                         8MB       65W     3.5GHz   3.9GHz    3.9GHz+    Yes         $199
    AMD Ryzen 5 1300     4/8                         8MB       65W     3.2GHz   3.5GHz    N/A        Yes         $175
    AMD Ryzen 3 1200X    4/4                         8MB       65W     3.4GHz   3.8GHz    3.8GHz+    Yes         $149
    AMD Ryzen 3 1100     4/4                         8MB       65W     3.2GHz   3.5GHz    N/A        Yes         $129
    
    I am thinking 6c/12t model for the price of an an intel i5 4c/4t will be quite sweet.
     
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  31. Riptide_NVN

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    No 4ghz six core? Shoot.
     
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    I am personally leaning towards the 1700X because my current FX8350 (32GB RAM) ESXi host is overprovisioned to the eyeballs.

    The Ryzen looks to be a pretty good option for whitebox ESXi builders for home labs - competitively priced (compared to Intel -E models), supports 64GB RAM, and supposedly will have multi-IOMMU.

    My major concern is the classic IT mantra: "Never deploy version 1.0 of *ANYTHING*!" :)

    I remember the TLB bug in the early Phenoms, the performance hit on fixing it was substantial.

    AMD isn't the only guilty party at this, Intel had the infamous Pentium divider table bug (which made Intel create fixable microcode in the first place as they had to replace *EVERY* Pentium-60 and Pentium-66 CPU).

    More recently the Atom C2000 CPU's physically fails under normal operating conditions after a relatively short period of time, which is affecting a lot of devices from Cisco, Synology, etc.

    For use as a hypervisor I am a bit concerned that the memory is only dual-channel, needless to say it will be multithreading a lot and I wonder if the RAM can keep up.

    I am also worried that AMD has refused to comment on whether or not Ryzen will support ECC RAM. I'm confident it will, but like the FX series the motherboard has to support it too and none of the motherboard manufacturers are talking about ECC.

    It is quite possible ECC support was dropped to differentiate consumer Ryzen from the server Opteron versions, which is why I won't buy on Day 1 (but maybe Day 7 after the reviews and technical data are all published).
     
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    I am leaning towards a 1700 as long as they generally overclock well. I want to get a 8c/16t CPU, this is of course the performance per clock is up to par.


    Off topic: I still have one of those CPUs with the bug.
     
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    Those prices looks great. The 1700 is enough for me. I have been using i5 2400 and an i5 4570 on my lab servers and plan to go with a Ryzen 8C/16T as an upgrade path for my ESXi and KVM servers. Onboard NICs might not be supported but I have Intel PCIe supported NICs to use.
     
  36. drescherjm

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    For the linux based PVR / server build probably a 1700 or 1600X. That is If they support ECC.
     
  37. sirmonkey1985

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    if the numbers look good i'll probably be going with the 1400X, i don't have a need for 12 or 16 threads.
     
  38. Tsumi

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    I see it as quite the opposite. The fact that it isn't priced near the 6900k doesn't give me much faith that it is competitive in per core performance. I suppose some of the price difference can be explained away by platform differences (quad vs dual channel memory, 40 vs 16 PCI-E lanes, etc), but 40% cheaper than the competition is a bit on the low side if it is going to be competitive IMO.
     
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    I highly doubt Intel is panicking at all. If anything, all Intel is doing is trying to take attention away from AMD, because AMD has been dominating the news regardless of whether Ryzen is competitive or not. The article is garbage sensationalist journalism, that's all it is.
     
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