ASUS Warns Radeon RX 6800 XT Initial Stock To Be Limited, Ryzen 5000 CPUs Ravaged By Scalpers

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The best way to fight the scalpers is supply the majority of your stock to the brick and mortar stores. Shoot even work with new distributors that haven't typically carried tech stuff before. As long as we rely on internet sales for this stuff were just putting it on a silver platter for the taking.
The best way to fight anything is to first understand what you're actually fighting, and most people whining about scalpers and bots don't seem to understand what a "scalper" actually is or can be.

A scalper is anyone and everyone right now, meaning even any single person that gets a single item and realizes "I can sell this and make a profit". Scalpers are not exclusively volume purchasers with bots. Therefore no matter what purchase limits anyone tries to put it place, the "scalping" phenomenon will exist exactly the same as long as demand exceeds supply.
 

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It will be be a bummer if I end up just returning all the parts I bought and buying a PS5 instead. That's the answer if I can't get a GPU after the 6800xt launch.

Good luck with that if you haven't already pre-ordered a PS5.
 

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A scalper is anyone and everyone right now, meaning even any single person that gets a single item and realizes "I can sell this and make a profit". Scalpers are not exclusively volume purchasers with bots. Therefore no matter what purchase limits anyone tries to put it place, the "scalping" phenomenon will exist exactly the same as long as demand exceeds supply.
It really isn't as simple as that, if supply exceeds demand scalpers may buy up stock anyways because they're betting on people wanting, and their purchases take away from the supply side but don't necessarily fill the demand side as often people will not pay higher than normal prices for said card (i.e. almost twice the asking price)

Also it does depend greatly on how easy it is to obtain said item though. If a scalper needs to wait in line for 2 days straight to get said "thing" then sure whatever, that's someone who decide that 2 days of his time in less than ideal conditions to buy something that may have a limit on purchasing one was worth his time, then sure fine. But when all it takes is some coding experience (or sometimes not at all) and you can continuously check every online store and purchase any available stock within seconds then there definitely is an easier pathway to scalping and it will be more frequent and more destructive. So I'd be willing to bet stores like Microcenter don't contribute that greatly to the scalping problem, where as a store like Best Buy who does mostly online sales absolutely does because that opens the entire world of scalpers.

And everyone isn't a scalper just because they can make a profit off it, sure some are, but not everyone. The people who "must have this now" care more about actually having it, than making another $400 and then NOT having it now, and potentially not having it for a while.
 

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Stock was available much longer? Definitely not in my experience. The 5950X and 5900X sold out instantly at every retailer, as in within a few seconds - just like the 3080s. The 5800X and 5600X took a little longer to sell out, but still sold out online within a few minutes almost everywhere.
Minutes? People were reporting through the afternoon still finding stock.... I admit stock was still slim, but nowhere near as bad. I expect their GPU launch to go more similar to NVIDIAs GPU launch. Some even said they went to their local micro center after work and found some stock, no I at that's within minutes. Even best buy which had about zero stock for Nvidia products had CPUs that people where able to snag throughout the day. I'm not arguing they had limited stock, this reminds me very much the zen2 launch, which was low end stuff available a bit longer, top end stuff intermittent for a few weeks, lower end stuff in and out of stock frequently for a little while. The morning/day of ampere there was about 0 people on here that were able to snag them (maybe one or two), int he AMD stock thread there has been at least 10+ said they where able to. This seems like it was much more possible to do/get, although less likely with higher SKUs. Sadly, this is most likey how it will be going forward for some time, low stock CPU launches and even lower stock GPU launches.
 

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The best way to fight anything is to first understand what you're actually fighting, and most people whining about scalpers and bots don't seem to understand what a "scalper" actually is or can be.
Then you should start understanding it perhaps.
There are tons of people who just buy the shit because they want to make a quick buck, and not because they want it. People buying up supply who wouldn't otherwise wanted to buy the thing creates additional shortages.
A scalper is anyone and everyone right now, meaning even any single person that gets a single item and realizes "I can sell this and make a profit". Scalpers are not exclusively volume purchasers with bots. Therefore no matter what purchase limits anyone tries to put it place, the "scalping" phenomenon will exist exactly the same as long as demand exceeds supply.
Speak for yourself, most people just want a freaking video card or console and they won't suddenly break bad because they can make a few hundred on sg. they wanted so badly that they were willing to camp outside a store for it.
Limiting most stock to digital pre-orders and online stores is like giving access to all you can eat buffet to the worst of the worst kind. They literally don't even have to go outside and wait in line, just invest in a bot, and yes F bot sellers as well.
 

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I was in Microcenter yesterday. I asked literally 4 people inline to get a 3080 that juat came in at 11am if they were excited about the 6800xt and all 4 said " the fuq is that?"

Im not too worried about scalping the gpus
 

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Well that ar10 is significantly more important to have and own than a gpu. Feeding .308 right now to hungry boom sticks is so expensive.
I keep meaning to look at a decent LR.22 cheap, easy, and a little dirty.
 

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Caught off guard were they?

This story is getting old, retailers and manufacturers need to get their shit together.

So, you're a gpu maker who thinks the usuals will buy. All of the sudden your competition took a dump on their product launch. Then customers of your competition actually just want a product and then they come to you. It's not really hard to understand AMD didn't anticipate those nvidia customers crossing over.
 

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So, you're a gpu maker who thinks the usuals will buy. All of the sudden your competition took a dump on their product launch. Then customers of your competition actually just want a product and then they come to you. It's not really hard to understand AMD didn't anticipate those nvidia customers crossing over.
Only so many GPUs a month can be produced. Should they have started 3 months earlier, and just let them pile up in a warehouse?
 

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Also it does depend greatly on how easy it is to obtain said item though. If a scalper needs to wait in line for 2 days straight to get said "thing" then sure whatever, that's someone who decide that 2 days of his time in less than ideal conditions to buy something that may have a limit on purchasing one was worth his time, then sure fine. But when all it takes is some coding experience (or sometimes not at all) and you can continuously check every online store and purchase any available stock within seconds then there definitely is an easier pathway to scalping and it will be more frequent and more destructive. So I'd be willing to bet stores like Microcenter don't contribute that greatly to the scalping problem, where as a store like Best Buy who does mostly online sales absolutely does because that opens the entire world of scalpers.
That sound like it would cut both ways.

Waiting 2 days straight in line to make good profits could attract more people than to have a video cards weeks sooner than by simply comfortably buy it one day (i.e. the more complicated it is to buy the card the more people could be ready to pay to simply get it on ebay). The entire world thing is certainly true.
Only so many GPUs a month can be produced. Should they have started 3 months earlier, and just let them pile up in a warehouse?
Nvidia sure should have.
Outside the reduced margin to pay for storage there is a different giant issue, imagine how different NVidia launch would have felt post Amd Big Navi launch, having the launch before AMD announcement do look by now like a really brilliant decision. you really think that Nvidia should have released it's 3070 RTX in late january/early february, skipping black friday&christmas ? To gain what ?
 

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That sound like it would cut both ways.

Waiting 2 days straight in line to make good profits could attract more people than to have a video cards weeks sooner than by simply comfortably buy it one day (i.e. the more complicated it is to buy the card the more people could be ready to pay to simply get it on ebay). The entire world thing is certainly true.


Outside the reduced margin to pay for storage there is a different giant issue, imagine how different NVidia launch would have felt post Amd Big Navi launch, having the launch before AMD announcement do look by now like a really brilliant decision. you really think that Nvidia should have released it's 3070 RTX in late january/early february, skipping black friday&christmas ? To gain what ?
Lol, they won't have product for black Friday, and quite possibly even Christmas.
 

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Lol, they won't have product for black Friday, and quite possibly even Christmas.
If we conclude that they will not have product for 3 month and can become a mute question on that regards sale wise (do we have any idea how much did they sold I did read rumors of more than the 2000 multiple first month of sales already to judge the idea that they didn't sales many 3700 yet ? alone stating they will sell none by the end of the year ?), but still how was it not better in the context of an arguably slower video card priced higher to release first ? It is hard to imagine that launch generating any of the giant hype it got post RDNA 2 announcement, with hard to perceive downside.
 

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If we conclude that they will not have product for 3 month and can become a mute question on that regards sale wise (do we have any idea how much did they sold I did read rumors of more than the 2000 multiple first month of sales already to judge the idea that they didn't sales many 3700 yet ? alone stating they will sell none by the end of the year ?), but still how was it not better in the context of an arguably slower video card priced higher to release first ? It is hard to imagine that launch generating any of the giant hype it got post RDNA 2 announcement, with hard to perceive downside.
Rumors are just rumors. If we go by rumors I heard they only sold 100 cards. How do you like the number I just pulled out of thin air like you did? It was an epic failure of a product launch and you and others just can't accept that.
 

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That sound like it would cut both ways.

Waiting 2 days straight in line to make good profits could attract more people than to have a video cards weeks sooner than by simply comfortably buy it one day (i.e. the more complicated it is to buy the card the more people could be ready to pay to simply get it on ebay). The entire world thing is certainly true.


Outside the reduced margin to pay for storage there is a different giant issue, imagine how different NVidia launch would have felt post Amd Big Navi launch, having the launch before AMD announcement do look by now like a really brilliant decision. you really think that Nvidia should have released it's 3070 RTX in late january/early february, skipping black friday&christmas ? To gain what ?

You really think there will be stock on those holidays? Really?
 

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You really think there will be stock on those holidays? Really?
I am not sure what do you mean do you think NVidia will have sold 0 3000 series card in 2020 ?

I really think that a certain numbers will be sold in those holidays, more than 0 yes.

I think we would need numbers before judging their strategy has being I mistake, because:

https://www.google.com/search?q=nvi...433i457j0l7.1839j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Calling the launch a disaster while the stock gained $80 the last 4 days and is at it is highest ever in raw value, that statement must be supported by something, how many 3070 is getting sold and how much more would it need to be to be a good launch ?
 
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Well at least with the small numbers to date if they were to launch a series of super or TI’s or Ultra’s or what ever they wanted to brand them with faster clocks or more memory or what ever than not a lot of “early adopters” got burned.
Side note: still no word back from Citrix on support for the 6000’s may have to get a 6900xt and “test” it out. If it doesn’t work I’m sure I can find it a good home. Accounting has no problems when I manage to sell off old hardware at a profit.
 

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Looks like a fresh new business opportunity everyone is jumping on. Interested to make a quick buck off of IMPULSIVE silly enthusiast? The times are dark. Evil rule is upon us, but we must prevail brethren nd sisters. The swords shall flash with sparks nd wrath of vengeance!! Do not let your spirits be vexed, arise!!!
You mean IMPULSIVE silly enthusiast right?
 

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I really don't get this shit about manufacturers coming out and speaking like this. AMD should have some sort of shut the fuck up clause. This to me seems like a game to pump up buyers to make sure they are paranoid about buying. I get it initial stocks are challenging due to demand until it settles but don't see the need of these types of reports. It just saying like hey make sure you buy because it might sell out soon. lol.
 

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What’s great for competition is all these competing products coming out about the same time. What’s bad is the fact that we aren’t able to get our hands on them.
 

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I really don't get this shit about manufacturers coming out and speaking like this. AMD should have some sort of shut the fuck up clause. This to me seems like a game to pump up buyers to make sure they are paranoid about buying. I get it initial stocks are challenging due to demand until it settles but don't see the need of these types of reports. It just saying like hey make sure you buy because it might sell out soon. lol.
Making statements about items being in limited supply and will sell out quickly due to high demand is exactly what scalpers want to hear as well. Brings in their unnecessary attention and participation.
 

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The best way to fight the scalpers is supply the majority of your stock to the brick and mortar stores. Shoot even work with new distributors that haven't typically carried tech stuff before. As long as we rely on internet sales for this stuff were just putting it on a silver platter for the taking.
This is such an obvious response, it's a wonder they don't do it. It slows down the mass buying considerably and makes sure more individuals get cards directly.
 

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I was in Microcenter yesterday. I asked literally 4 people inline to get a 3080 that juat came in at 11am if they were excited about the 6800xt and all 4 said " the fuq is that?"

Im not too worried about scalping the gpus

The relative lack of mindshare AMD has in the graphics card arena with the rank and file gamer is the best ally we have in being able to get a card post launch.
 

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AMD booked capacity for 30,000 wafers (a month), accounting for 21% of total capacity

That's a lot of CPUs and GPUs. AMD, just like TSMC will be making money hand over fist. Demand is driving the supply chain issues here.

Allowing for a an 80% yield (which would be really good) that would make roughly 5.5 million APUs for the PS5 console. Or you could manufacture roughly 3.1 million 6800 RDNA2 GPUs.

To put that into perspective, the PS4 sold 5.3 million units in the first 3 months, the Xbox one had sold 3.9 million in the same time period.

Now, when you split those 30,000 wafers into the new Consoles, GPUs and CPUs and keeping up supplies for their other products, I wonder how AMD prioritised production for the first few months. And judging by the small amount of CPUs in stock at launch, they are only ramping up production now.

Now I hope I am completely wrong. But I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't a meaningful amount of stock from either company before Christmas. It's going to be really difficult to get your hands on a GPU for the next month or so.
 

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AMD booked capacity for 30,000 wafers (a month), accounting for 21% of total capacity

That's a lot of CPUs and GPUs. AMD, just like TSMC will be making money hand over fist. Demand is driving the supply chain issues here.

Allowing for a an 80% yield (which would be really good) that would make roughly 5.5 million APUs for the PS5 console. Or you could manufacture roughly 3.1 million 6800 RDNA2 GPUs.

To put that into perspective, the PS4 sold 5.3 million units in the first 3 months, the Xbox one had sold 3.9 million in the same time period.

Now, when you split those 30,000 wafers into the new Consoles, GPUs and CPUs and keeping up supplies for their other products, I wonder how AMD prioritised production for the first few months. And judging by the small amount of CPUs in stock at launch, they are only ramping up production now.

Now I hope I am completely wrong. But I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't a meaningful amount of stock from either company before Christmas. It's going to be really difficult to get your hands on a GPU for the next month or so.

The latest numbers had that 30k, plus an additional 14k that were freed up by huawei sanctions. Luckily the CPU chiplets are small, and they have a good stack that allows them to work defective dies down the chain.

https://hardforum.com/threads/big-n...0-and-rtx-3090.2001541/page-3#post-1044736700
 

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The latest numbers had that 30k, plus an additional 14k that were freed up by huawei sanctions. Luckily the CPU chiplets are small, and they have a good stack that allows them to work defective dies down the chain.

https://hardforum.com/threads/big-n...0-and-rtx-3090.2001541/page-3#post-1044736700

Well, my yield numbers were way out. The article says they are only getting 60% yields and will only reach 70-80% yields by the end of the year. So if they are only getting 60% yields on 305mm parts, they are getting much lower yields on the 536mm parts.

The GPU numbers will be less than what I have estimated above, even if they have 14K extra Wafers and use them all for 6800 GPUs.
 

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Another Public Service Reminder: The Minute You Spend $800 on that suddenly-in-stock "thing you want": "OMGOMGOMGOMG!!! GOT ONEEE! GOOOOOOOOOOT OOOOOOONNNNNNEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! WOOOOOOOOO!!!..<nerd celebration intensifies>"
The day you get it "OMG...ITS HERE...open package, check out free garbage, carefully remove old "Pfeh, this garbage!" stuff from PC, put in shiny new shit. Spark the Box. Get your benchmarks and overclocks worked out. "OMG! ITS TRUE...ITS..ITS ALL TRUE!".
The end of the first week with that new shit: Playing the same games you've been playing for 2 years....."Yeah its alright......I hope something comes along that takes advantage of the features!"
Game comes out that takes advantage of the features....and youre back to struggling to hit 60fps again because Dev's now have this huge wiggle room to play with where "optimizing for the available hardware" used to be the past few years.

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Rumors are just rumors. If we go by rumors I heard they only sold 100 cards. How do you like the number I just pulled out of thin air like you did? It was an epic failure of a product launch and you and others just can't accept that.
I heard jensen was baking them one by one in his oven at home, that's why stock was low.
 
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Ehhh.....There were shortages of the last Ryzen chips too. Scalpers are going to be disappointed though. As long as yields are good, it's faster to produce boxed CPUs then entire GPUs with hundreds of extra components.
 

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Mate, have you been playing last of us? Brick and mortar is very much alive, mate!😊
I will suggest it another way then. Online sales of CPUs and GPUs far and away outsell brick and motar in person sales. So the suggestion of piping all the stock to brick and mortar is not a viable "scalper solution" based in reality.
 
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Allowing for a an 80% yield (which would be really good) that would make roughly 5.5 million APUs for the PS5 console. Or you could manufacture roughly 3.1 million 6800 RDNA2 GPUs.

To put that into perspective, the PS4 sold 5.3 million units in the first 3 months, the Xbox one had sold 3.9 million in the same time period.

Now, when you split those 30,000 wafers into the new Consoles, GPUs and CPUs and keeping up supplies for their other products, I wonder how AMD prioritised production for the first few months. And judging by the small amount of CPUs in stock at launch, they are only ramping up production now.

Now I hope I am completely wrong. But I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't a meaningful amount of stock from either company before Christmas. It's going to be really difficult to get your hands on a GPU for the next month or so.
They also better be ramping up on those Threadripper Pro’s, they also have the lower sku’s of the Ryzen 5000’s that they have to launch eventually, plus the new Threadripper’s, and the new EPYC’s, then there’s Microsoft and Sony’s second set of shipments. AMD has a lot of product to put out in a very short time frame. Stock on everything is going to be limited till May.

Sony has ordered 7 million APU’s for delivery before April, I recall reading that Microsoft has ordered 5 million for the same date.
 
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