ASUS STRIX Radeon R9 Fury DC3 CrossFire at 4K Review @ [H]

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  1. Chunder

    Chunder Gawd

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    That limited VRAM on the Fury is definitely a major obstacle, as seen in GTA 5. Really interested to see what HBM2 has when it removes the limitation and allows 12+Gb (assuming AMD/Nvidia want to go that high).
     
  2. Nihilus1

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    No one is lashing out at you, perhaps you are just thin skinned. They are just trying to keep the post on topic. The authors clearly state that they will have the FURY X, 980ti, and Titan all in another dual card review. The Fury falls in price right between this review group and the next higher group. It could go either way, but it makes it easier doing 3 cards and 3 cards. So what the HELL is your issue here?!

    Anyways...

    The difference in power consumption between the 980 SLI and 390X cause them to be almost the same in price. Not so much from the power bill, but look at the difference in price between a good quality 600 Watt PSU needed for the 980 SLI and the 1000 Watt needed for the 390x (extra given to each for o/c headroom) The 1000 watt is about $100 more given the same brand!
     
  3. Nihilus1

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    Now looking back at your old post, they were right to shut you down. I don't think you could be any more snarky even if you tried.
     
  4. Brent_Justice

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    I could be wrong, but I do not think DX12 is going to inherently improve CrossFire or SLI. I am thinking it will need to be specifically programmed to, i.e. the game developer will have the responsibility to program in the benefits through which DX12 can provide. If there is no actual game support of those DX12 features that can help multi-GPU, then it will just be no different.

    Just because I drive in the fast lane doesn't make me go faster, I have to manually push the gas pedal harder.

    You can ride in the fast lane of DX12 API, but if you don't manually exploit the features, it's no different.

    It all still comes down to game developer support.
     
  5. Brent_Justice

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    You should try typing it over and over again ;)
     
  6. Brent_Justice

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    The last thing I heard from AMD about all of these CrossFire issues we sent them was:

    That was on 9/18.
     
  7. Brent_Justice

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    Yes, they flash. I too would like either an all "on" option, or ability to turn it off, perhaps a switch on the card would be nice.
     
  8. Modred189

    Modred189 I'm Smarter Than You

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    Yeesh. Thanks boss. I wouldn't hold your breath. :(:mad:
     
  9. Quartz-1

    Quartz-1 [H]ardness Supreme

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    That was a really good and useful review. Unfortunately, for me it failed on one major point: continual comments were made about VRAM but no figures were given. Is there a reason why? Without actual numbers, the comments have much less impact. Perhaps the VRAM usage figures could be included in the next parts?
     
  10. Snus

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    Qell, when H prove evryone wrong. i say they are bought of ........... well u know.
     
  11. Rizen

    Rizen [H]ardForum Junkie

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    This is a good example of why I ended up replacing my 290X CF setup with a single 980 Ti.

    When CrossFire works it is excellent. The XDMA engine to synchronize GPU data over the PCI-E bus is a better solution than a bridge. But when CF doesn't work, it's a mess, and it takes too long for them to fix the issues. Witcher 3 was the final nail in the coffin for me - I sold my setup about 50 hours into Witcher 3. That was back in June or so. They still haven't fixed Witcher 3 CrossFire. Unacceptable.

    Meanwhile my single 980 Ti plays the game at 2560x1440 Ultra with no complaints. HairWorks is still too demanding but I can run every other setting maxed out and it's smooth as can be with GSYNC on.
     
  12. Snus

    Snus Limp Gawd

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    Do u really trust Brent to be neutral, read hes commets , before he even tested the nano
     
  13. TaintedSquirrel

    TaintedSquirrel [H]ardForum Junkie

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    I see some Red Team Plus members got Nano samples from AMD and made reviews on YouTube. Are they neutral? Give me a break.
    If it's a choice between giving a sample to a site like HardOCP vs AMD promoters on YouTube... The choice should be obvious.
     
  14. Snus

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    A littel question, is H paid of nvida, if not , wow they are fun.
     
  15. Nihilus1

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    All together children ... "Hooked on Phonics worked for me!"

    Hey, has anyone seen Snus???
     
  16. Snus

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    Im not a meber of aanithing, but it is geting regiulis how H is doing it, am i wrong, okey, then evry other , well most sites are wrong and H is right


    This is getting embarresent for H
     
  17. Brent_Justice

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    What does any of this have to do with the Fury CrossFire review?

    Snus, if you have a question about the Fury CrossFire review ask it, else, this isn't the place for your vendetta.
     
  18. Snus

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    Brent, i dont really care abaut thgoose big cards, u shownb over and over that u dont understand SFF, read ur own comments, how the hell can u be consider neutrul, i dont mint pure facts, but what H is up to , its just sty
    Stupid, ur right , evryone else is wrong, how much are u paid
     
  19. Brent_Justice

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    I don't recall performing a SFF review in regards to Fury CrossFire. This was tested in our standard evaluation setup.

    Nano will be tested in SFF, but that is a topic for another thread.

    Perhaps you are confused, this thread is about Fury CrossFire review as posted here - http://www.hardocp.com/article/2015/09/28/asus_strix_radeon_r9_fury_dc3_crossfire_at_4k_review
     
  20. Cobalt35

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    Great review, thanks. I can't believe they STILL haven't fixed CF in Far Cry 4.

    Also, the butthurt of some people in this thread is hilarious. The major complaint seems to be centred around the fact that [H] doesn't do things the way most other sites do. Well, no shit, Sherlock :D
     
  21. Araxie

    Araxie [H]ardness Supreme

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    man, do a favor yourself and don't comeback to this forum again, this isn't the right place for you, you want to be talked in your language? nobody care a shit about your shitty SFF fetish and crap small cards. that's how you talk about everything right? just get out of here and don't return please, I normally don't answer your stupid comments but I am (and I know a lot of people too) tired of your shit, go on and make your own garbage page about SFF ( FF if you want ;)) with your own FF Forum to talk exclusively about SFF cards, this isn't a SFF oriented review, it was a regular review but with Xfire and SLI in mind, it seems that you don't even took the time to read the review..
     
  22. Snus

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    i seldom comet , but i been a nerd as long as kyle, builded probally more computers than u have, so , and i been reading H for . maybe years before u joined, what H is doing must been paid.

    PERIOD
     
  23. Nihilus1

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    Snus, take a breath and think about what you are posting. It is obvious that you are just spewing out garbage as fast as you can type it on your moms iphone by the manner of the spelling errors you are making.
    These guys are not getting suitcases of money from Nvidia for their lack of nano reviews. Nvidia's stock did not change a fraction of a cent because of it either. Just STOP with the nonsense.
     
  24. Snus

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    Your right, im not a fan of anything, im not an nvida, or an intel shill, what more do you want

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    oh yesa i did read it all, as i do evry review there is, been a nerd for 30 years
     
  25. Snus

    Snus Limp Gawd

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    What is happing to H

    Answer

    How many of the games they test is Nvida sponsored, how does H test between diffrent games engines.
     
  26. FrgMstr

    FrgMstr Just Plain Mean Staff Member

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    I have no problem taking criticism, but saying that we are bribed and skew reviews because of that is over the line. You have worn out your welcome here.
     
  27. ELox

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    Really great review of what to expect in real world conditions with these setups. Thank you for breaking it down into two parts an giving us part 1 ahead of time, much appreciated.

    Thank you as well for giving a good summary of the issues to consider with these setups. (Driver issues, power consumption, price, and real world performance). While one clear winner was not crowned it should be obvious to anyone that read the review that it is not that simple and most importantly all the information to weigh the pros and cons was provided so we can make our own decisions.

    Looking forward to part 2.
     
  28. GoodBoy

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    [H] paid off? lol, probably the only site that isn't. Go away troll.

    Nice review, too bad the drivers were shit. I was hoping to see some difference in 4gb vs 8gb. As close as the 390's came though, maybe it was helping.

    Once they (nvidia and AMD) go HBM2 at 8gb, hopefully vram concerns of any sort will become a thing of the past. I hope HBM takes off because my cell phone sure as hell could use some faster ram..

    One question, any thoughts of doing the occasional DX11 vs DX12 review? Might not be something worth doing until a DX12 title comes out... but I wonder if the guts of DX12 run slightly better than DX11, for a DX11 api'd game? Wouldn't take but one look at performance to see the answer (only [H]'s real world testing will do for me).

    Keep doing the
    stuff, I was cracking up and thinking "I love this!"
     
  29. staknhalo

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    Kyle, why did you pay Halliburton to sabotage equipment thus limiting yields of HBM for AMD? I'm onto you. Where did the money come from? ANSWER ME?! WHERE'S THE TRIGGER?! YOU'D NEVER GIVE IT TO AN ORDINARY CITIZEN!
     
  30. Rizen

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    Can we PLEASE stop the crying about the games that are included in the test suite? They include games based on popularity. Right now there aren't a lot of new and/or popular games that are AMD-sponsored, other than Battlefield 4 and Dragon Age Inquisition. DIRT Rally is AMD-backed but is still in early access. The next major AMD-backed game is to release is Deus Ex: Mankind Divided. There just aren't as many AMD-backed titles as there are NVIDIA-backed titles. Read into that what you will.

    And Project CARS DOES NOT use GPU PhysX so it doesn't matter if you have an AMD GPU or NVIDIA GPU. https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/c...eworks_project_cars_and_why_we_should/crc3ro1

     
  31. Brent_Justice

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    PhysX can be used for a physics engine just like Havok or anything else.

    There are many different physics engines accelerated via the CPU, there is a huge difference in GPU accelerated physics and CPU accelerated physics.

    There are actually some physics engines, beside PhysX that can offload data to the GPU, they are rare though and don't really provide the kind of performance boost PhysX does with NVIDIA GPUs.

    At any rate, the physics engine in Project Cars is PhysX and has nothing to do with GPU acceleration.

    Also, just because a title is "sponsored" or part of a game bundle, does not mean it runs better on that brand. Partnerships like sponsoring or game bundles don't affect performance.

    Similarly, just because a title incorporates a certain brand of technology from AMD or NVIDIA that the game developer has chosen to use also does not mean it is inherently biased towards that brand on performance.

    I wish this topic would be put to rest, but it keeps coming back as a crutch or excuse for poor performance, this is a an incorrect and false accusation to make.
     
  32. alxlwson

    alxlwson You Know Where I Live

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    What ever happened to Terry Macedon?
     
  33. Brackle

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    Great review, but adding Project Cars was a bad move. That game is so bias against AMD, not sure why you guys added it, but it just adds more gasoline to the fire about you being bias against AMD.

    Otherwise....Who knew AMD crossfire sucks....O wait I have since the 5870 series!!!

    Imo drop Project Cars, not a good game to do video card reviews with.
     
  34. Brent_Justice

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    And yet, our results don't reflect that.

    Why don't we just cherry pick games so that are faster on AMD GPUs?

    I swear that's what some of you want.

    Let's stop this "biased" madness please.

    It is making me ill.

    Let's just play games and demand the best from AMD and NVIDIA in terms of image quality and performance and test games as they are and see where the chips land.
     
  35. Brackle

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    I never once said you were biased. I said it could make people think that. It is known that Project Cars was purposely hurting AMD performance. I mean it's out on the net.

    I don't think you are bias. All I said was its adding fuel to the fire.
     
  36. Brent_Justice

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    I call shens.

    My testing does not support your theory.
     
  37. Brackle

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    Funny I thought your review did! Thats why I mentioned it. Just look at the scores LOL

    even other websites show the same thing as your review

    https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/R9_Fury_X/21.html

    Either way its a great review man I'm not even saying its bad. But I mean...blah nevermind
     
  38. Rizen

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    Citation please. From a reputable source, not a reddit poster.
     
  39. Brackle

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    You do realize Reddit was the one who found the 970 GTX only being 3.5GB? If we didn't listen to the reddit poster we would of never caught Nvidia in a lie?
     
  40. eachus

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    A lot of readers here are missing an important point. The assumption that the latest driver from AMD or nVidia is the one for you, buys a lot of people trouble that reading the vendor documentation (and to some extent sites like [H]ardOCP) would let you avoid.

    To be fair, web sites face difficulties that you don't. One of the things that [H]ardOCP does well is testing to see if performance improvements really do increase your enjoyment in game. But no one enjoys driver hell, so why don't people read the appropriate vendor's page?

    If you try to do that with AMD, you discover that the 15.8 beta drivers used in the article have been replaced by the 15.9 beta drivers. The currently recommended drivers are 15.7.1 for most setups, and there is specific advice not to use 15.9 beta with Windows 8, or with Windows 8.1 or 10 in 32-bit mode. Would [H]ardOCP have had any problems with 15.7.1? I don't know, but at least some of the problems they hit may not occur in 15.7.1. Beta drivers are drivers with known problems put out both so game manufactures and others can check for compatibility, and so that some people who need something not available in current released drivers can get early access. (For example a newly released game may need a bug fix found only in the beta.)

    My most recent purchase was a R9 380. I installed the (recommended) 15.7.1, no problems. Why not 15.7? I don't know, and don't care. AMD doesn't recommend it with the R9 380, or R9 285, that's good enough for me.

    If I upgrade to a 4k display, I'll probably go to CrossFire. And, yes I'll stay with AMD/ATi video cards as I have for years because paying attention to their website has saved me lots of (potential) agony.