ASUS ROG Strix GeForce RTX 2080 Ti $999.99

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Taken from Slickdeals:

https://www.newegg.com/asus-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-rog-strix-rtx2080ti-11g-gaming/p/N82E16814126080


Also, this following paragraph was taken from directly from Slickdeals:


Mind you this version of the Asus Rog Strix 2080TI has the gimped Nvidia 300 chip which only has 280W power limit and can not be bios flashed to allow higher power limit. Thus it will throttle and won't boost as high as the cards with the 300A chip. It has an amazing cooler and I would buy this over the Evga Black and other non OC cards but still. If you waited this long you might as well wait for the RTX 3080, worst case scenario 2080TIs would get cheaper both new and used.

Here is a link to see which cards have the better,unlocked 300A chips and what the power limit is set to.
https://www.overclock.net/forum/69-nvidia/1706276-official-nvidia-rtx-2080-ti-owner-s-club.html
 

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Pretty good deal and the 280W limit won't mean much. Mine's (strix 2080ti OC edition w/the 300A chip) unlocked to 1000W and it doesn't really do a whole lot for the card because of voltage limitations: https://gyazo.com/db4241d9d1861afd9825bf2ca711644a

As long as it has Samsung memory like all the recent batches, that will make the biggest difference. I found that I can get passed some bottlenecks in the 2080 Ti when I push my memory above +500.
 

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Man. I still can't warp my head around why these are so expensive. Even though $999 is better than $1300, it's still too much I think.
 

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Because Vega was a bust and Big Navi is still a rumor.
But AMD didn't really have any response to the 1080ti either and it was 700-800. I mean I get what you're saying, but I'm thinking nvidia would have sold a lot more units had it been priced at $900 or something. I know I would have bought one.
 

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But AMD didn't really have any response to the 1080ti either and it was 700-800. I mean I get what you're saying, but I'm thinking nvidia would have sold a lot more units had it been priced at $900 or something. I know I would have bought one.
They set the precedent with the Titans and just went from there. Upscale all yer models!
 

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Some of the cost is due to the size of the Chip. It's gigantic, the biggest Nvidia has produced on its current node, maybe even any node, and yields are supposedly pretty low (Probably part of the reason we haven't seen a 2080ti Super). Not that I think it's rational for a consumer GPU to cost that much, but it has a bit to do with the pricing.

Also, the power limit has a lot to do with performance. Your max boost clocks and how long the card will sustain them is mainly based on three things, Silicon Quality, Temp, and Power Limit. 280w is extremely low for a 2080ti, and will definitely gimp the card.

Voltage with air cooling really doesn't do much as some have suggested, it may net you another 15-30 MHz at most without some better cooling involved, and you'll hit the 280w power limit waaaaaay before that extra MHz would come into play.
 

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Looking forward to it. Just happened to Intel and they cut their prices in half
I've been holding out for the 3000 series and hoping Big Navi knock down the prices in the meantime. My GTX 1070 is a quite long in the tooth at this point, especially now that I upgraded to a 1440p 144Hz monitor. I'm think an RTX 3070 should hit the spot... I hope.
 

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Yeah...every day I'm tempted to pick up a 2080ti but I always talk myself out of it. It's crazy to be paying nearly the original prices a year and a half later. If I bought at launch then sure... but now? Might as well wait. I too, have high hopes for the 3000 series.
 

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Same situation here. Upgraded my system except for my GTX 1070. Hard to wait but knowing that I'll hate myself later if I give in an buy a 2080ti now.
 

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I've got dual 1080 Ti @ 3440x1440 - 120hz GSync. I really want to go back down to 1 card and thought 2080 Ti might be able to do that for me, but it's looking like 3080 Ti will have to be the goal.
 

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Yeah...every day I'm tempted to pick up a 2080ti but I always talk myself out of it. It's crazy to be paying nearly the original prices a year and a half later. If I bought at launch then sure... but now? Might as well wait. I too, have high hopes for the 3000 series.
This... I think Zotac is selling refurbs for $850 on Ebay and I nearly bought one... but even $850 for a year and half old refurb GPU... thats just too much. Especially on the cusp of the 3000 cards. Unless they are a total flop, I'll likely just end up paying whatever ridiculous price Nvidia comes up with for their top-tier part.
 
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But AMD didn't really have any response to the 1080ti either and it was 700-800. I mean I get what you're saying, but I'm thinking nvidia would have sold a lot more units had it been priced at $900 or something. I know I would have bought one.
Nvidia would have sold even more of them at $100. I know I would have bought dozens of them. It's too bad Nvidia is so greedy. They should be running their graphics business for a loss like AMD does.
 

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Nvidia would have sold even more of them at $100. I know I would have bought dozens of them. It's too bad Nvidia is so greedy. They should be running their graphics business for a loss like AMD does.
Don't be ridiulous
 

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Nvidia would have sold even more of them at $100. I know I would have bought dozens of them. It's too bad Nvidia is so greedy. They should be running their graphics business for a loss like AMD does.
Per your sig, you have four $2500 GPUs (nevermind other lavish parts). Something tells me your situation is a little different than the average PC gamer... I don't think you really have a dog in this fight. Cruis isn't wrong. Even at $900 people would have called the 2080 Ti expensive, but at least it would have been more in line with previous generations price/performance hikes. It would have sold more. Your absurd "$100" rant is well... absurd. You respond as if suggesting a $900 launch point is callously low. It's not. Obviously there is a reason Nvidia target the price they did... maybe they are happier selling less GPUs, making more per sale and keeping them as sort of a status symbol that Nvidia is the rockstar in the room that can do as they please. I'm not going to pretend I know how to run a business better than Jensen Huang, but you can't ignore that there is a correlation between Nvidia's increasing GPU prices and AMD's lack of competition. They are charging what they do because they can, not because the have to.
 
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Your absurd "$100" rant is well... absurd. You respond as if suggesting a $900 launch point is callously low. It's not. Obviously there is a reason Nvidia target the price they did... maybe they are happier selling less GPUs, making more per sale and keeping them as sort of a status symbol that Nvidia is the rockstar in the room that can do as they please.
I was pointing out the ridiculousness of someone stating "if Company X had sold Product Y for less, they would have sold more." That falls squarely into "No shit, Sherlock" territory. If AMD sold the 5700 XT for $100, they'd sell a lot more of those, too.

I'm not going to pretend I know how to run a business better than Jensen Huang, but you can't ignore that there is a correlation between Nvidia's increasing GPU prices and AMD's lack of competition. They are charging what they do because they can, not because the have to.
Yes I can. I ignore things that never happened all of the time. AMD wasn't a legitimate competitor when the 1080Ti came out either.
 

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Same situation here. Upgraded my system except for my GTX 1070. Hard to wait but knowing that I'll hate myself later if I give in an buy a 2080ti now.
I still hate myself a year after doing the "Step-Up" from my 2080 to the 2080ti. I remember seeing the amount I have to pay after the trade-in and I just closed my eyes and hit submit. I hate myself for always needing the latest and the greatest.
 

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I still hate myself a year after doing the "Step-Up" from my 2080 to the 2080ti. I remember seeing the amount I have to pay after the trade-in and I just closed my eyes and hit submit. I hate myself for always needing the latest and the greatest.
While I didn't (and still don't) like the price I don't at all regret stepping up to a 2080 ti from a 1080 ti. Doubling the price I paid for the 1080 ti stung, but it's the price of being a hardware enthusiast.
 

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Every 2080Ti thread:

"Why are Ferraris so much. They shouldn't be so much. I would buy a Ferrari if it was less. Ferrari is greedy".
Nope but, more like a 2080ti is like a Civic Type R. Isn't it great how some will justify the greatly increased cost when compared to just one generation before. Then, at the same time, bash AMD for the pricing?

Oh well, if someone wants this, at least it is "cheaper".
 

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well if you can use the RT Cores for anything other then gaming itd be somewhat justifiable, but you cant since Nvidia changed the driver landscape so you are forced to use the Quardro series, as some companys found using the 2080ti was viable for there needs till nvidia forced that option out, lets just hope they dont introduce some new hpc tech that will drive up costs even more then RT cores did,

im ok with my 1070ti i got for like $225 till either 20xx series drops in price or the 30xx drops and isnt crazy expensive like RTX series was on launch,
 

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Some of the cost is due to the size of the Chip. It's gigantic, the biggest Nvidia has produced on its current node, maybe even any node, and yields are supposedly pretty low (Probably part of the reason we haven't seen a 2080ti Super). Not that I think it's rational for a consumer GPU to cost that much, but it has a bit to do with the pricing.

Also, the power limit has a lot to do with performance. Your max boost clocks and how long the card will sustain them is mainly based on three things, Silicon Quality, Temp, and Power Limit. 280w is extremely low for a 2080ti, and will definitely gimp the card.

Voltage with air cooling really doesn't do much as some have suggested, it may net you another 15-30 MHz at most without some better cooling involved, and you'll hit the 280w power limit waaaaaay before that extra MHz would come into play.
Go back to my post and you will see how bad the yields are.

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Got this from another site, this might shed some insight on pricing

https://www.techpowerup.com/246925/...-to-71-higher-than-previous-gen?cp=6#comments

Max dies per wafer (without defect): 58
Good dies: 39
Defective dies: 19
Partial dies: 8
Yield: ~68%
^ This is the absolute best case scenario. Ever.
More realistically we are looking at a defect rate of 0.15 which would give drastically worse numbers:
Max dies per wafer (without defect): 58
Good dies: 20
Defective dies: 38
Partial dies: 8
Yield: ~34%
Calculator: http://caly-technologies.com/en/die-yield-calculator/
Assuming each wafer costs about 25000$ (it can't be much lower because Quadro RTX 8000 goes for 10000$ by itself so wafer is at least 2x more costly).
 
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well if you can use the RT Cores for anything other then gaming itd be somewhat justifiable, but you cant since Nvidia changed the driver landscape so you are forced to use the Quardro series, as some companys found using the 2080ti was viable for there needs till nvidia forced that option out, lets just hope they dont introduce some new hpc tech that will drive up costs even more then RT cores did,
Very close to literally everything you said here is wrong.

Assuming each wafer costs about 25000$ (it can't be much lower because Quadro RTX 8000 goes for 10000$ by itself so wafer is at least 2x more costly).
The Quadro RTX 8000 goes for approximately half of that price ($5500) and it has the same core count as the $2500 Titan RTX. The 2080 Ti has nearly the same size silicon in it and costs 10% of that price.

But yeah, tell us more about how Nvidia operates a profitable operation at 34% yields. LOL.
 

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Every 2080Ti thread:

"Why are Ferraris so much. They shouldn't be so much. I would buy a Ferrari if it was less. Ferrari is greedy".
Y'all don't get it. It's not just the price of the card that is in question. It's that it represents a ~30% performance increase over a 1080 Ti, at a 60% price premium.

To go off your loose car analogy, It's more like if the asking price of a Honda Civic was $20k, but to get it with a turbo drive the price to $34k. We'd all be sitting around going who the fuck at Honda thought the extra performance was worth $14,000.

Debating the price of the 2080ti on its own is silly. Comparing to what else is on the market is incredibly relivent. When you do that, the premium is vastly beyond any price hike we've seen in the gpu world (other than Titans, which are equally overpriced)
 
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Y'all don't get it. It's not just the price of the card that is in question. It's that it represents a ~30% performance increase over a 1080 Ti, at a 60% price premium.
Ok, so then make it Corvette and Ferrari. The analogy still holds true.

To go off your loose car analogy, It's more like if the asking price of a Honda Civic was $20k, but to get it with a turbo drive the price to $34k. We'd all be sitting around going who the fuck at Honda thought the extra performance was worth $14,000.
I'm not sure if you're intentionally being ironic here, or if you're the proverbial blind squirrel and just found your nut. The Honda Civic starts at $20k and the Civic Type R starts at $37k. And nobody fucking whines about it.
 

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Ok, so then make it Corvette and Ferrari. The analogy still holds true.



I'm not sure if you're intentionally being ironic here, or if you're the proverbial blind squirrel and just found your nut. The Honda Civic starts at $20k and the Civic Type R starts at $37k. And nobody fucking whines about it.
The type R is also double the horsepower yeah? And obviously improved in many other aspects beyond just performance. If a 2080ti doubled performance, I'd be fine with the price.

And Corvette vs ferrari... Please dude. Those are drastically different things and you know it.

This is dumb. None of us are going to agree. I'm out.
 

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Y'all don't get it. It's not just the price of the card that is in question. It's that it represents a ~30% performance increase over a 1080 Ti, at a 60% price premium.
That's how it is and always will be, the most expensive tier hardly if ever provides the best value. Performance is not proportional with cost. You can argue Nvidia's pricing all you want, but they have teams of people who analyze the market and decide how much to sell a given product to earn the most profit. Sure they can sell more for a hundreds bucks less per card, but do they want shave 100 bucks in profit per card sold? To think pricing is solely based on performance while neglecting other factors is completely short sighted and shows a complete misunderstanding of the economics involved.
 
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The type R is also double the horsepower yeah? And obviously improved in many other aspects beyond just performance. If a 2080ti doubled performance, I'd be fine with the price.
Ok ok, so your own example that you thought was hyperbole turned out to be a perfect example of how wrong you are. That happens sometimes - more often to some people than others, of course, but it happens. BTW, you seem to have tripped on yourself during your hasty backpedaling. Here, let's take a look at your quote:

We'd all be sitting around going who the fuck at Honda thought the extra performance was worth $14,000.
But yet you said just now that it's totally worth the difference in price. So, which is it? Man, if a Civic were as fast going forward as you are in reverse, Ferrari would be in trouble.

Would you prefer to compare Honda Civic vs Honda Civic Si? The Si is 30% more expensive and offers little extra performance. But, again, nobody whines about it.

I'd love to hear your thoughts on your butcher's business practices. Filet mignon offers the same nutrition as ground chuck, but somehow your butcher thinks he can charge more for it. The nerve of some people!
 
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the other side of this is Ngreedia can now charge what they want as they seen ppl willing to shell out $2000+ for Ti cards and theve sold enough to know they can prob go higher and people will still pay it,if Amd releases and 2080ti killer it'll still be the old song too little too late as its already time for the 30x series, if the 2080ti comes down in price at all it'll be a miracle. i wouldn't expect it as they had this market long enough to know those who buy at the $2000+ mark are going to keep buying at that price point regardless what team Red releases,
 
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the other side of this is Ngreedia can now charge what they want as they seen ppl willing to shell out $2000+ for Ti cards and theve sold enough to know they can prob go higher and people will still pay it,if Amd releases and 2080ti killer it'll still be the old song too little too late as its already time for the 30x series, if the 2080ti comes down in price at all it'll be a miracle. i wouldn't expect it as they had this market long enough to know those who buy at the $2000+ mark are going to keep buying at that price point regardless what team Red releases,
Oh great, now the LSD has arrived.
 

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Ok ok, so your own example that you thought was hyperbole turned out to be a perfect example of how wrong you are. That happens sometimes - more often to some people than others, of course, but it happens.

Would you prefer to compare Honda Civic vs Honda Civic Si? The Si is 30% more expensive and offers little extra performance. But, again, nobody whines about it.

I'd love to hear your thoughts on your butcher's business practices. Filet mignon offers the same nutrition as ground chuck, but somehow your butcher thinks he can charge more for it. The nerve of some people!
If you look at the part vs the whole, a base civic vs an SI doesn't look far off, but you add better suspension, LSD, SI specific trim it makes sense, the 2080ti imo isn't worth the price but I am not crying about it.

Having said that, comparing cars to computers is pretty retarded, and if anyone hasn't learned the lesson that you should buy a new card the week it drops, instead of waiting for a price drop that will never happen (if anything price will go up) than I don't know what to tell anyone lol.
 

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LSD ehh.. thats something for burning man, or a all night rave in a sketchy warehouse, but i digress, i just hope we don't go through same cycle as itd be nice to see not overly crazy GPU Prices next gen.
 

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Ok ok, so your own example that you thought was hyperbole turned out to be a perfect example of how wrong you are. That happens sometimes - more often to some people than others, of course, but it happens. BTW, you seem to have tripped on yourself during your hasty backpedaling. Here, let's take a look at your quote:



But yet you said just now that it's totally worth the difference in price. So, which is it? Man, if a Civic were as fast going forward as you are in reverse, Ferrari would be in trouble.

Would you prefer to compare Honda Civic vs Honda Civic Si? The Si is 30% more expensive and offers little extra performance. But, again, nobody whines about it.

I'd love to hear your thoughts on your butcher's business practices. Filet mignon offers the same nutrition as ground chuck, but somehow your butcher thinks he can charge more for it. The nerve of some people!
Dumb comparison is dumb

1080ti and 2080ti are same class of hardware you wouldn't compare a base civic to a next generation type r and say WOW HONDA INCREASED IT'S PRICES SO MUCh

What you would do is compare like 9th gen si to 10th gen si. So if Honda increased the price of the 10th gen si by 1.7 times people would be like "WTF honda"

that's the argument being made, the 2080ti launched at a substantially higher price than the 1080ti (and 980ti)
 

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The card has been out over a year. Let's all just shut the fuck up about how "unfair" or whatever the price is. No one actually likes it, this conversation has been done to death for well over a year. If AMD can ever pull a miracle out of their ass it will change. Otherwise we're stuck with what we have.
 

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Because Vega was a bust and Big Navi is still a rumor.
It has nothing to with AMD or the lack of competition. High end products have been escalating all over the industry. RAM, motherboards, monitors, everything. And it's not isolated to computers as well. Point blank it makes business sense to create halo products for a fraction of your audience and deliberately price everyone else out of them, even if it's not remotely worth it. For people that can afford it, the fact that most cant justifies the value in and of itself. For people that can't afford for it, the fact that they can't justifies paying more for shittier products than they are worth.

We've just hit the point where the parts in your computer have divided themselves up like this as well. But since computers are part of the market economy, it was only a matter of time.
 
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