Asus ROG Maximus VII Impact

So I run into a problem already, how do I screw the sound card in?

The screws that I would seem to need can't be screwed out of their little bracket?
 
Yes they can, just be careful. :) One was quite tight but the other unscrewed easily enough. With the tight ones you just have to be careful how you hold the card or bracket as you dont want to bend the bracket
 
One is bent already, and in the other, the screw turns but just won't come out :(

Yes, those things are very poorly done. Made in China by the lowest bidder. :mad:

If you put some pressure on the tip of the screw as you turn it counterclockwise, it should come out OK. (A tiny drop of WD40 wouldn't hurt either.)
 
Whew, all done and installing drivers now. I just didn't install the WiFi daughter board. There was plastic over the antenna holes, so I just gave up on it. I use Ethernet anyway.

I also didn't really need to screw the audio board in, it seems to be hanging in there alright.

Thanks for the help everyone.
 
There was plastic over the antenna holes, so I just gave up on it. I use Ethernet anyway.
I also didn't really need to screw the audio board in, it seems to be hanging in there alright.

Those are not plastic covers. They're stainless steel and snap right out if you give them a little push and a twist.

By not connecting the wi-fi daughterboard you'll also lose Bluetooth connectivity. I recommend you give it another shot.

Also, do secure the sound card using both screws. They're extremely snug, but they do come off. Just be persuasive and careful.

You paid for these features, why not use them?
 
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I will probably not be needing to touch the ComboCard thing again until good PCIe 3.0 x4 SSD's rear their head next year.

What's wrong with the Samsung XP941 256GB M.2 NGFF PCIe x4 SSD from RamCity in Australia?

With an Intel i7- 4790K, Windows 8.1 Update 1, from a cold start and bypassing the splash screen, I go from the BIOS "OK beep" to log-in prompt in <>5 seconds. A sniper's bullet couldn't go any faster. :cool:
 
What's wrong with the Samsung XP941 256GB M.2 NGFF PCIe x4 SSD ... A sniper's bullet couldn't go any faster

Because it still uses AHCI which is optimised for slower mechanical devices. Phuncz is referring to the coming release of NVMe which is more suited to random access storage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.2

Also, as discussed earlier, the XP941 runs very hot > ~100C. Some in this thread have added thermal pads to help this.
 
2. also had problems with these, the screws on the brackets on the sound card were wound so tight, I deformed them and had to get needle-nose pliers to not destroy them.

I had read about this before receiving my mobo and throught people were crazy. Then I tried to loosen that screw and ended up majorly bending the bracket. I also had to use pliers to hold the bracket and loosen the screw, then bend the bracket back into place.

Basically if you don't have pliers you will probably not be able to install the sound card!
 
What's wrong with the Samsung XP941 256GB M.2 NGFF PCIe x4 SSD from RamCity in Australia?

With an Intel i7- 4790K, Windows 8.1 Update 1, from a cold start and bypassing the splash screen, I go from the BIOS "OK beep" to log-in prompt in <>5 seconds. A sniper's bullet couldn't go any faster. :cool:

it's "slow" because it's early on in the m2 PCI-E SSD era. Perhaps by the end of this year, but definitely in 2015 there will be SSDs which will have transfer rates around 1500mB/s and will be NVMe natively.
right now that samsung drive is great but way "better" drives are just around the corner. I'm personally waiting for a 1TB M2 drive of this future caliber.
 
I had read about this before receiving my mobo and throught people were crazy. Then I tried to loosen that screw and ended up majorly bending the bracket. I also had to use pliers to hold the bracket and loosen the screw, then bend the bracket back into place.

Basically if you don't have pliers you will probably not be able to install the sound card!

I didn't need pliers. I took Phuncz's advice to remove the little bracket first from the card. Then I could loosen the other screw without any trouble.

It might also be a matter of having a good quality screwdriver of the correct size.
 
Can anyone actually confirm that their "Realtek 1150 with headphone amp on front panel audio" actually works (left will be only left, and right will only be right) preferably in an NCase M1?
 
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I didn't need pliers. I took Phuncz's advice to remove the little bracket first from the card. Then I could loosen the other screw without any trouble.

It might also be a matter of having a good quality screwdriver of the correct size.
I had the right screwdriver (fit snugly, no "skipping"), but the screws were wound so tight that the metal bracket deformed before I got the screw to loosen. Luckily not everyone is affected but it is something people should be wary for.

Because it still uses AHCI which is optimised for slower mechanical devices. Phuncz is referring to the coming release of NVMe which is more suited to random access storage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.2

Also, as discussed earlier, the XP941 runs very hot > ~100C. Some in this thread have added thermal pads to help this.
Indeed, NVMe is where it's at ! The reason SSD's "feel" so fast is because of the lower latency, not the higher throughput. NVMe reduces that latency even more and allows the SSD technology to be used more efficiently (parallelism).

As WiSK said, it's running very hot when not mounted to a heat-dissipating surface, probably because it's an OEM drive (manufacturers will get have had those warnings) and Samsung hasn't yet optimized their SoC for this amount of throughput.

Also noteworthy, the XP941 has PCIe 2.0 x4 instead of PCIe 3.0 x4, the latter will be incorporated into a Marvell controller (Crucial, Micron) with hopefully a drive in the beginning of 2015. 5Gbit/lane vs 10Gbit/lane. Will it matter ? Probably not. But I'd like to think ahead.

I also don't want to pay the inflated $1.5/GB price for the XP941 when $0.5/GB is the norm.
 
Can anyone actually compare that their "Realtek 1150 with headphone amp on front panel audio" actually works (left will be only left, and right will only be right) preferably in an NCase M1?

If you're having an issue with the M1 front headphone output playing both channels in blended stereo (ie, in the Realtek audio app, the test button plays back left sound in both ears, then right sound in both ears), then push your headphone plug further into the jack.

I had the same issue for months and couldn't figure it out.. finally realized I just wasn't pushing the plug the entire way in (it requires an unusual amount of effort.. enough to actually slide my entire case backwards).
 
Can anyone actually compare that their "Realtek 1150 with headphone amp on front panel audio" actually works (left will be only left, and right will only be right) preferably in an NCase M1?
It works as it should on my Ncase M1, L+R are working correctly.
 
I didn't need pliers. I took Phuncz's advice to remove the little bracket first from the card. Then I could loosen the other screw without any trouble.

It might also be a matter of having a good quality screwdriver of the correct size.

Not for me. There was no way I could loosen the screw without pliers to hold the bracket because with the correct screw driver the bracket just bent. Apparently people's mileage may vary but I have a lot of experience with little screws like this (RC car racing) and I've never seen a screw this small and insignificant tightened so tightly. What's crazy is that none of the other screws was like this, just that one bracket screw!
 
If you're having an issue with the M1 front headphone output playing both channels in blended stereo (ie, in the Realtek audio app, the test button plays back left sound in both ears, then right sound in both ears), then push your headphone plug further into the jack.

I had the same issue for months and couldn't figure it out.. finally realized I just wasn't pushing the plug the entire way in (it requires an unusual amount of effort.. enough to actually slide my entire case backwards).
Alright. This is weird. I got it to work proper when I plugged in the AT AD-700 earlier... BUT, I retested the Astro A40, it went mono again. So I plugged the AD-700 back in. And still mono... WHAT THE <BEEP>?!?

At this point I have to start considering maybe it's just the front panel headphone jack now. I've even tested the front panel mic in with the headset, and I will get proper stereo. I see two possibilities. One, the front panel headphone jack is malfunctioning; and two, the "Amp" and the "Sonic SoundStage" functionality of the front audio headphone jack is fucked up due to the drivers.

Okay, as for my suspicion that it's the Sonic SoundStage. My headphone works properly when I click reset and ok. So it's SoundStage?!?
 
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Not for me. There was no way I could loosen the screw without pliers to hold the bracket ...

But the bracket was still attached to the card itself?

I guess, mechanically speaking, I was kinda using pliers too, having the bracket between finger and thumb.

Anyway... carry on... :)
 
Alright. This is weird. I got it to work proper when I plugged in the AT AD-700 earlier... BUT, I retested the Astro A40, it went mono again. So I plugged the AD-700 back in. And still mono... WHAT THE <BEEP>?!?

At this point I have to start considering maybe it's just the front panel headphone jack now. I've even tested the front panel mic in with the headset, and I will get proper stereo. I see two possibilities. One, the front panel headphone jack is malfunctioning; and two, the "Amp" and the "Sonic SoundStage" functionality of the front audio headphone jack is fucked up due to the drivers.

Okay, as for my suspicion that it's the Sonic SoundStage. My headphone works properly when I click reset and ok. So it's SoundStage?!?

If your headphones are working properly when plugged into the front mic input, then it's likely not the same partial insertion issue that I had.

Maybe try manually adjusting or disabling the Sonic SenseAMP?
 
At this point I have to start considering maybe it's just the front panel headphone jack now. I've even tested the front panel mic in with the headset, and I will get proper stereo.
The audio jack module is actually symmetrical and can be easily flipped, so that could be an easy fix if it works that way.
 
Yes it would. Mind you that it isn't faster than a normal SATA 2.5" drive if that was of concern.
 
Yes it would. Mind you that it isn't faster than a normal SATA 2.5" drive if that was of concern.
That's not a problem. It's plenty fast. And for the price it's a really good deal for a compact case like the M1.
 
Yeah it is, I really like it that they are moving primary storage to motherboards, no need for extra cables and a minimum of volume used. So it's a good choice either way.
 
Anyone having trouble installing Windows? I've tried to install it in UEFI mode (setting all the CSM settings to UEFI) via USB thumb drive and using F8 for the boot menu and when I get into Windows 7.0 SP1, it still tells me the same "Windows cannot be installed on this disk"... yet both are recognized as UEFI devices in the BIOS and I've turned off legacy compatibility.

Over an hour on the phone with Asus and they tell me the XP941 is not a bootable device and is not one of their supported devices. (The irony is that it's the *only* four lane m.2 card so they should obviously test it... and of course I know some of you guys have it working...)


Any clues?
 
Someone suggested installing the Intel RST drivers at time of install when choosing the storage:

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("Load Driver" button)

Driver: https://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?DwnldID=24293
 
No, that drive will NOT work with the Impact board. You need a "PCIE" M.2 SSD.
Not that I was ordering anything just yet but thanks. After your comment I checked the reviews again and found someone who tried it on the Asus Z97-A and had the same issue. No cheap M2 for now it seems. :(

EDIT: After reading some more I was hoping it would function more like the MSI Z97 Gaming 5 ATX, where it's either Sata OR PCIe. Because I could care less about Sata if it means saving this much space. I was thinking of putting some large capacity drives in an external enclosure and feeding it into the PC through an USB 3.0 port.

Alas:
*1: The M.2 slot shares bandwidth with PCIe 3.0/2.0 X16 slot. Bandwidth on the PCIe 3.0/2.0 x16 slot becomes x8 when M.2 device is inserted.
*4: M.2 slot supports PCIE mode storage device only.
 
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Not that I was ordering anything just yet but thanks. After your comment I checked the reviews again and found someone who tried it on the Asus Z97-A and had the same issue. Not cheap M2 for now it seems. :(

I made the same mistake, with the 256G Crucial. Still working with Newegg on the "RMA Return", in the mean time I replaced it with the Samsung 256G model. It's damn fast, let me tell you.
 
No, that drive will NOT work with the Impact board. You need a "PCIE" M.2 SSD.
Ah thanks for clearing that up, I was under the expection that it would support SATA.
I'm sorry I gave wrong info, this M.2 stuff is so confusing because of the lack of clarity and communication.
 
Over an hour on the phone with Asus and they tell me the XP941 is not a bootable device and is not one of their supported devices. (The irony is that it's the *only* four lane m.2 card so they should obviously test it... and of course I know some of you guys have it working...)

ASUS' supported device list for the M7 Impact is a fucking joke. I don't see a single M.2 device tested at all (though it supposedly supports mSATA, without such a slot on the board) and not even a single SFX PSU tested..

http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/LGA1150/MAXIMUS-VII-IMPACT/M7I_Device_QVL.pdf (PDF)

Ah thanks for clearing that up, I was under the expection that it would support SATA.
I'm sorry I gave wrong info, this M.2 stuff is so confusing because of the lack of clarity and communication.

According to their own spec sheet it does support SATA M.2..
1 x M.2 Socket 3 on mPCIe Combo IV expansion card(s), black, *4with M key, type 2242/2260/2280 storage devices support (both SATA & PCIE mode)
Support M.2 Type 2242/2260/2280/22110 SSD card (up to 110mm in length), support PCI express 3.0 x4 standard



EDIT: And I see the *4 notation that JaccoW posted: "*4: M.2 slot supports PCIE mode storage device only." So, now how does the M.2 slot support both PCIE & SATA, but only PCIE?? :confused:
 
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I made the same mistake, with the 256G Crucial. Still working with Newegg on the "RMA Return", in the mean time I replaced it with the Samsung 256G model. It's damn fast, let me tell you.
Where did the problem lie? Physical or did the mobo not recognize the drive as a boot device?
And did you have the same trouble with the Samsung?

It's pretty stupid that Asus only tested the board with PCIe x16 SSDs. The ones that are as large as a video card... That's old new tech.
 
Where did the problem lie? Physical or did the mobo not recognize the drive as a boot device?
And did you have the same trouble with the Samsung?

It's pretty stupid that Asus only tested the board with PCIe x16 SSDs. The ones that are as large as a video card... That's old new tech.

The board wouldn't recognize the device, period, in the BIOS. When I got the replacement Samsung PCIE model, it was recognized without me touching anything in the BIOS. It was just listed like any other device. One thing I noticed though, the SATA M.2 is "keyed" differently. It's got two notches on the connector, vs one on the PCIE.

And to be clear, this is the device that worked, perfectly, on the first try. No extra drivers were required to get it working under Windows 8.
 
One thing I noticed though, the SATA M.2 is "keyed" differently. It's got two notches on the connector, vs one on the PCIE.
You'd think it would be clear what bus it uses if you check what key it has but I did some digging about this (for the ASRock Z97E-ITX/ac topic) and it isn't as easy as that I'm afraid:

M.2: Connectors

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(source)

M.2 SSD's has "keys", the gaps between the pins, to differentiate compatibility. The cards themselves have the gaps, the sockets have protrusions to fit in those gaps. This physically prevents a card from fitting if it is not electrically supported. The motherboards have the sockets.

Socket 2 &#9658; PCIe x2 + SATA 6Gb/s + USB etc. supported
Socket 3 &#9658; PCIe x4 + SATA 6Gb/s supported

B-key &#9658; PCIe x2 + SATA 6Gb/s + USB etc. supported
M-key &#9658; PCIe x4 + SATA 6Gb/s supported

Socket 2 &#9658; fits B-key and B+M-key M.2
Socket 3 &#9658; fits M-key and B+M-key M.2


The ASRock Z97E-ITX/ac has Socket 3 according to the manual, although it only supports PCIe x2 + SATA 6Gb/s, which would be Socket 2, if logic would have been used. But it's most likely Socket 2 is only used for non-storage slots like WWAN or WLAN cards, as apparently, PCIe x2 can be used on Socket 3 without issue, like a PCIe x4 card fits and works in a PCIe x8 or x16 slot. I assume that no manufacturer uses Socket 2 for M.2 SSD support because of the USB and Audio support associated with this.

More confusion comes when the SSD's has both keys:

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(source) Intel 530 series 180GB M.2 SSD (uses SATA 6Gb/s)

You'd think since it can connect at PCIe x2 and x4, it will be PCIe x4 and downwards compatible with PCIe x2, but it's not in this case. It uses SATA 6Gb/s in this example.

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(source) Plextor M6e 512GB SSD (uses PCIe x2)

This has the same notches as the Intel but uses PCIe x2, meaning it's not limited by the 570MB/s practical bus speed of SATA 6Gb/s. This specific SSD can achieve over 700MB/s transfer speed. Mind you, you won't feel this in everyday usage, but PCIe also allows for lower latency than SATA, although not on this specific SSD. The B+M keys limit the connection to PCIe x2, which means a maximum throughput of 10Gb/s.

I expect that in the near future most SSD's will have B+M keys, just to maximize compatibility with motherboards. But you should make sure you know how it communicates:
M-keyed &#9658; PCIe x4 (20Gb/s)
B-keyed &#9658; PCIe x2 (10Gb/s) or SATA (6Gb/s)
B+M-keyed &#9658; PCIe x2 (10Gb/s) or SATA (6Gb/s)

Note: the PCIe max throughput can double with the use of PCIe 3.0, see M.2: PCIe Version below for more info.

Don't forget that a higher theoretical limit doesn't guarantee better performance.

The Samsung XP941, which is PCIe x4 and is M-keyed, could fit in the socket on this motherboard but it won't fit on the board physically because it's Type 2280 (see below).

The Plextor M6e, Intel 530 series and Crucial M500/M550 are all B+M, although the Intel and Crucial SSD's both use SATA instead of PCIe x2.
 
The Samsung xp941 is a Gen2 x4 pcie ssd btw.

1.1.3 ROG Exclusive Features M.2 Support
This motherboard features the M.2 slot, which shares bandwidth with PCIe 3.0 x4 slot to speed up data transfer rate. This helps enhance the performance of your Solid State Drive (SSD) that is dedicated only to the operating system. The M.2 slot provides support for faster access to data and applications, and quicker wake up time for your system.
&#8226; Supports PCIe interface only.
&#8226; Supports 2242/2260/2280/22110 SSD card up to 110 mm in length.

There are currently no Gen3x4 m.2 pcie ssd's in the market, so asus is claiming your m.2 is compatible with something that doesn't currently exist in the market. But clearly we know thats false.

m.2 satas and the xp941 have been proven to work on the m.2 slot, and the m.2 slot is compatible with almost every m.2 type. Asus is just basically saying, were not going to go out of our way to test and list every compatible m.2 ssd.
 
I'm not too worried about it. Kinda sucks for people that don't do the research first (like myself), but in the end it works beautifully (Took all of ten minutes, tops to install the OS). Boot times are in seconds, etc.

Best of it, when they release x4 PCIE 512GB models, I'll swap out my current card, remove the Sata SSD and be ahead of the game in speed, and power usage.
 
Just an update to my own post.

I couldn't get any combination of Windows 7 to work in UEFI mode despite following the various guides. Although some people have done it(?)

A Windows 8.1 ISO installed from USB key worked instantly without the same error in UEFI mode. No tricks or special instructions.

After an hour on the phone with Asus, their tech guy could only come up with, "Did you enable the m.2 slot in the BIOS?" and "I googled it and people can't get it to work with all these other mobos (totally ignoring that this is the M7I which has an updated BIOS for it). Therefore, it is not bootable and unsupported." I suggested that there was something special about the UEFI / legacy mode thing that Windows didn't like. In frustration, he hung up on me.

I now have Windows 8.1 running on the Samsung XP941 flawlessly. It's pretty fast. I was using an old Plextor SATA SSD and this is noticeably faster. I know it's not Gen3x4, but I can't keep waiting for the new tech to arrive, right?

FYI: I'm sure this is posted elsewhere, but for reference, here is a guide on the install:
https://www.ramcity.com.au/blog/how-to-install-windows-8.1-on-the-samsung-xp941-ss/138296
 
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BTW, anyone else have trouble with the backplate and ports? Too much foam and some of the ports are slightly crooked.
 
Dumb question guys, but does anyone know how to set up raid 0 (2x SSDs) on this?

I'm using an Impact VI, but I imagine it should be similar to the Impact VII right?
 
BTW, anyone else have trouble with the backplate and ports? Too much foam and some of the ports are slightly crooked.

I complained about this too on the ROG forum:

- the I/O shield's thick foam is just bothersome, and some rear I/O connectors aren't soldered very straight, meaning some ports might give issues with more bulky cables, but this also gives issues with the Impact Control II board like in this picture. You can clearly see the I/O shield is touching both buttons, pressing them without something pointy is not going to work.

Ofcourse nothing from Asus.
 
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