AIBs aren't the ones charging insane prices. It's the etailers doing the price gouging. The DCUII MSRP is what it is. It doesn't matter what cards are going for right now because the card isn't out now. H doesn't have a damn crystal ball, they can't look into the future to see what Egg and others will sell it at or what the market will be like for those cards. The ONLY thing they can base their conclusions on is the MSRP that ASUS quoted them. That is also why Kyle added that note about the current state of prices and that potential buyers will have to reevaluate the value of the card IF the prices are still like they are now.
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ASUS R9 290X DirectCU II OC Video Card Review @ [H]
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AIBs aren't the ones charging insane prices. It's the etailers doing the price gouging. The DCUII MSRP is what it is. It doesn't matter what cards are going for right now because the card isn't out now. H doesn't have a damn crystal ball, they can't look into the future to see what Egg and others will sell it at or what the market will be like for those cards. The ONLY thing they can base their conclusions on is the MSRP that ASUS quoted them. That is also why Kyle added that note about the current state of prices and that potential buyers will have to reevaluate the value of the card IF the prices are still like they are now.
That's what i'm trying to figure out all this time! Did ASUS stated to Hardocp or anyone else that their card will be sold at MSRP??
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As Derangel already explained, no, because what the card is ultimately sold for isn't up to Asus. They can't guarantee that shit. They set a MSRP, sell cards for < MSRP to e-tailers, e-tailers charge whatever they want.
The way i think it, it's pretty petty excuse to put the blame on e-tailers.
-If that was true, then the e-tailers would also sell the referance 290X at higher prices from AMD's MSRP.
Isn't a little comical to blame e-tailers for rising the prices only at aftermarket 290Xs while they sell the referance at AMD's MSRP ?!
-And besides the comic factor, there is also the logical factor: I can't believe that a card like the ASUS 290X, with such a superior cooling system compared to the referance, which -according to the review-, eliminates all the problems with noise and temperature the referance had, will be sold the same price as the referance !! I really can't believe that, it's irrational !!
The way i think it, it's pretty petty excuse to put the blame on e-tailers.
-If that was true, then the e-tailers would also sell the referance 290X at higher prices from AMD's MSRP.
Isn't a little comical to blame e-tailers for rising the prices only at aftermarket 290Xs while they sell the referance at AMD's MSRP ?!
-And besides the comic factor, there is also the logical factor: I can't believe that a card like the ASUS 290X, with such a superior cooling system compared to the referance, which -according to the review-, eliminates all the problems with noise and temperature the referance had, will be sold the same price as the referance !! I really can't believe that, it's irrational !!
Have you been paying an ounce of attention to 290X prices? The ARE being sold well above MSRP. The MSRP on the 290X is $499, a lot of places price them at $600 or more.
I paid more for mine, not that it makes me happy, but it will definitely outperform my current 7970, which will migrate to another computer in X-Fire and I'll have enhanced performance on two computers. eases the pain of paying too much..
!!The phrase above, is from Hardocp's review of the referance 290X, so as you can see, you are mistaken about the 290X's MSRP.
Ah, I was $50 off. Still, they are being sold above MSRP. The cheapest reference 290X on Egg right now is $600 all the way up to $630. So while I was off on the MSRP I'm still right on them being sold above MSRP.
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I love these reviews.. such great content and excellent research yet they totally make it fluff by adding a pro amd statement after every evaluation.. come on, just stick to the facts and don't make a moral decision on pricing or why amd is better than NVidia at every turn. I've read every one of your 290x / 780ti write ups and the bias is incredible, its laughable. cut that out and i'll be happy to come back, for now, cya hardocp.
Yes, they are 50$ above MSRP, but if you look cards like the MSI's 290X, you will see that they cost 600$, BUT including the game Battlefield 4, with value 49,99$ (*as it is mentioned on the site).
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127757
So, cut the 50$ value of the game and you will see that the card itself is being sold at MSRP !!!!
So, i ask again: Why to blame the E-tailer, because MSI decided to sell a game along with 290X and raise its price??
Yes, they are 50$ above MSRP, but if you look cards like the MSI's 290X, you will see that they cost 600$, BUT including the game Battlefield 4, with value 49,99$ (*as it is mentioned on the site).
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127757
So, cut the 50$ value of the game and you will see that the card itself is being sold at MSRP !!!!
So, i ask again: Why to blame the E-tailer, because MSI decided to sell a game along with 290X and raise its price??
What the fuck are you talking about? It doesn't work that way. etrailers aren't charging more because a game is included. They wouldn't charge less if the game wasn't there either. The MSRP is the MSRP, simple. etrailers are gouging the price beyond that. Period. End of story.
I think perhaps you're reading too much into things. I read this review as both cards are similar in performance and the ASUS 290x is $100 less. That is if they really sell at MSRP, which I'm sure they will in a month or two.
Pricing is a pretty important concern for most of us.
That's what i'm saying. It's not the E-tailer that rising the price it's MSI, that decided to include a 49,99$ game to raise the card's price. Without the game, the card's price would be right at the MSRP value !!
So how is the E-tailer's fault for prices above MSRP?
Again, no. The keys are included "free" with the card. It's the same for EVERY AIB on BOTH sides. Nvida cards don't get up in price when they include $150 worth of free games. AMD cards didn't go up in price last year and earlier this year when they had the Never Settle bundles. So no, it is STILL the etailers fault. Stop pretending you have a clue what you are talking about because clearly you have no bloody idea.
OK, you keep thinking that a card including a video game, would be sold at exactly the same price without the video game!! Interesting way of thinking !!
It always is. The 290x launched at MSRP including BF4. It didn't jump in price until the mining craze hit. Cards have NEVER raised prices based on included games. Try to prove me wrong, I dare you.
AMD's 280X and up cards have been non-existent due to the mining craze and all of these cards have had inflated prices. Have you not noticed this? This has been going on for a LONG TIME now. 280X? 400$+. 290? 500$+ 290X? 600$-700$.
Understand that MSRP is a suggestion. There is nothing to FORCE an etailer to use MSRP. If demands outweighs supply, the prices will go up, welcome to capitalism. In the US, 290X and 290 cards are anywhere from 50-150$ above MSRP due to the mining craze. These cards are not being sold at MSRP right now, generally speaking - nearly all 290 cards are not worth it in the states because miners are buying them by the truckloads.
See:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...BESTMATCH&Description=r9+290x&N=-1&isNodeId=1
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!! so you are saying that this card : http://www.asus.com/Graphics_Cards/R9290XG4GD5/ will cost exactly the same with this : http://www.asus.com/Graphics_Cards/R9290X4GD5/
Or do you want to change companies? this card : http://www.gigabyte.us/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4812#ov
will cost exactly the same with this: http://www.gigabyte.us/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4810#ov
Tell me, if they sell GPUs with exactly the same price with the game and without the game, who would be crazy enough NOT to buy the one with the game ? !!!!
You have a very "socialist" way of thinking in a capitalistic economy !!!
It seems like you can't take "yes" for an answer
Of course. Like Xoleras said few posts before, "welcome to capitalism". It's sad, but this is how things work !!
will cost exactly the same with this : http://www.asus.com/Graphics_Cards/R9290X4GD5/
Or do you want to change companies? this card : http://www.gigabyte.us/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4812#ov
will cost exactly the same with this: http://www.gigabyte.us/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4810#ov
Tell me, if they sell GPUs with exactly the same price with the game and without the game, who would be crazy enough NOT to buy the one with the game ? !!!!
You have a very "socialist" way of thinking in a capitalistic economy !!!
The BF4 edition you linked to was the launch edition. It was a limited number put out at MSRP. So yes, they did in fact cost the same. They're not selling them at the same time, but the MSRP for both is exactly the same. A company isn't going to have two versions of the same card on sale at the same time but they won't raise the MSRP based on a free game bundle.
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Still no word on the 290 DCII? I follow ASUS on a few social media sites, they've posted tons of pics of the 780 / Ti, 290x, but not even a whisper of the 290 non-x.
Right now it seems like the card doesn't even exist...
Right now it seems like the card doesn't even exist...
http://videocardz.com/48575/powercolor-shows-radeon-r9-290x-pcs
New Powercolor custom card. Looking good, triple fan configuration, similar to Tri-x cooling. Powercolor generally offered some of the cheaper 7950s/7970s, so I expect a good price on this.
New Powercolor custom card. Looking good, triple fan configuration, similar to Tri-x cooling. Powercolor generally offered some of the cheaper 7950s/7970s, so I expect a good price on this.
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Nice review. The quiet mode testing shows just how much better that asus cooler is compared to the stock crap. AMD should be making the good coolers as the stock option, especially on something running so hot. Nvidia does that, why can't AMD?
The next tests of watercooled, 290X vs 290 vs 780Ti will be interesting. This is what [H] is working on right??
Will a watercooled 290x vs a watercooled asus 290x possibly have differences? Since this fancy asus 290x card has a higher stock clock? Or would watercooling allow stock cards to catch up?
[H] readers want to know.
The next tests of watercooled, 290X vs 290 vs 780Ti will be interesting. This is what [H] is working on right??
Will a watercooled 290x vs a watercooled asus 290x possibly have differences? Since this fancy asus 290x card has a higher stock clock? Or would watercooling allow stock cards to catch up?
[H] readers want to know.
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I have found the Asus directcu cards are the worst you can buy when it comes to a multi card config. They hold the heat worse than any card I've ever come across. You will have to have insane case cooling to crossfire a pair of these.
the asus cards are just overclocked by Asus Goodboy so yes a reference + water will be better than one of these as long as you can adjust the voltage which there's been a massive bait and switch pulled on us where so many cards you buy retail end up locked even after reviews of that model have stated voltage unlocked. I want to undervolt everything but companies keep locking me out of it
the asus cards are just overclocked by Asus Goodboy so yes a reference + water will be better than one of these as long as you can adjust the voltage which there's been a massive bait and switch pulled on us where so many cards you buy retail end up locked even after reviews of that model have stated voltage unlocked. I want to undervolt everything but companies keep locking me out of it
I have found the Asus directcu cards are the worst you can buy when it comes to a multi card config. They hold the heat worse than any card I've ever come across. You will have to have insane case cooling to crossfire a pair of these.
the asus cards are just overclocked by Asus Goodboy so yes a reference + water will be better than one of these as long as you can adjust the voltage which there's been a massive bait and switch pulled on us where so many cards you buy retail end up locked even after reviews of that model have stated voltage unlocked. I want to undervolt everything but companies keep locking me out of it
Sigh. When will people learn. Temperature of card != heat output. What you experienced was probably using dual fan coolers in a CF setup without adequate airflow. The top card will always be hotter in this setup. Additionally, unless you're using a motherboard with proper spacing, any dual fan coolers will quickly heat up, especially, again, the top card.
For some reason that comment had me chuckling then I read the link and Jebus is not near strong enough! Jeeeezus!