Asus Prime X470-Pro or MSI Gaming Pro Carbon?

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  1. Geronemo3

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    Hi.
    Guys I need some help.
    Looking to get a new X470 MB. Will be pairing it with 2700x.
    Not an overclocker. Will probably run CPU on clock speeds.
    My budget is $180 Max.

    I've singled out Asus Prime X470-Pro and MSI Gaming Pro Carbon.
    Both can do SLI, Crossfire, have NVME support. RGB headers

    MSI has an extra 1 x WS2812B Individually Addressable RGB LED.
    Gaming Pro Carbon has 2x 8 pin power connector compared to single 8 pin Asus Prime.
    Other than that I don't see any significant difference.
    6 xSATA on Asus vs 8X on MSI (isn't a worry for me)

    https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...SearchResult=True&Type=1&Item=N82E16813119100

    RGB is important in this build. I will be getting T-Force Night Hawk RGB or Tridentz RGB RAM with RGB fans.
    let me know.

    Thanks :)
     
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  2. Ebernanut

    Ebernanut Gawd

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    You shouldn't need anything more than a single 8 pin connector unless you're doing extreme overclocking(LN2), at stock I wouldn't be concerned at all.

    For RGB I would be most concerned with making sure the RGB things you're looking at support the motherboards RGB controller(Aura for Asus and Mystic for MSI), especially the memory. From what I've seen Asus Aura seems to be supported by most things with MSI Mystic and Gigabyte Fusion supported by a decent amount.

    The one question I have after looking at the specs is whether the Asus board headers support both 12v and 5v(msi board is 2x12v, 1x5v), I would guess that they do but I would want to make sure. Most RGB things seem to be 12v but you need 5v for addressable RGB which means each individual LED can be controlled separately.
     
  3. ACC

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    You should be looking at components and not the power connectors. Ryzen 7 2700x consumes about 180-200W when overclocked to ~4.2GHz on air or closed loop water.

    The Asus is using IR powerstages while the MSI isn't which means if you aren't overclocking it will still be more efficient generally.
     
  4. Geronemo3

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    The Asus Prime X470-Pro doesn't have 5V addressable header. It has 2 x 12V RGB headers. Is the addressable header for accessories like RGB fan?
    Using the 12V header I am guessing I can connect an RGB strip and control colors using Asus Aura. The addressable can be used with maybe AIO cooler or case RGB fan?


    The Asus ROG Stix X470 has 2x RGB and 1x addressable headers.
    Asus ROG Crosshair VII has 2 x RGB and 2x Addressable headers
    Both of these are above my budget and need.
     
  5. luke51087

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    if you are going with the rgb effects i would probably stay stick with Asus, Multiple software to control rgb is the biggest pain in the ass. Had a x370 gaming carbon and the trident z and it was so annoying. And now i have a gigabyte board and its the same situation.
     
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  6. Geronemo3

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    Exactly that is soo difficult. It's like no company wants to play ball> I am looking at Night hawk RGB and maybe get a RGB strip since Asus motherboard has 2 x RGB headers and forget about RGB fans.
     
  7. Ebernanut

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    Both types of headers are used for things like fans and light strips, RGB memory and the lights on the actual motherboards don't use a header and some things use a USB header but most of them can't be controlled by the motherboard software(I believe but haven't fully confirmed the Wraith prism cooler that comes with the 2700x is one exception to that). The regular 12v headers support RGB where you change the color of all connected LEDs at the same time and addressable RGB is used for RGB things where each light can be set to different colors, when you see the light shows with multiple colors displayed at the same time but synced in a pattern that's addressable.

    Keep in mind than addressable RGB items use a 5v 3 pin connection and regular RGB uses a 12v 4 pin connection so the headers are not compatible with each other, there's also 12v 5 pin WRGB headers on some motherboards that adds a separate white channel but you can use regular 4 pin headers on them.

    I agree that it's much better to have everything controlled by the motherboard and that Asus seems to be supported by more things but make sure you don't want anything that uses a 5v 3 pin header if that board doesn't support it. If you're not wanting to do the light show thing and just want to set everything to the same color(you can still cycle colors) you won't the 5v 3 pin header.
     
  8. Geronemo3

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    Thanks.
    This reinforces what i've learned in the last few days. Have to say it's a been a learning curve.

    So my plan is to get the Asus Prime X470 Pro which has 2 x RGB 12V 4 pin headers.
    I will add RGB RAM and 1 x RGB strip.
    In total the MB will have 2 x RGB logos, 1 x RGB strip, RGB RAM and AMD Wraith Prism.

    All of these will work on Asus Aura. Should give me enough subtle illumination. I don't want the system bursting with RGB.


    I really like the Corsair LL RGB fans but that is an eco system that won't work with Asus Aura and I can add those later if required.
     
  9. Ebernanut

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    No problem, sounds like you got it all figured out. I went through trying to figure this all out recently myself and it was confusing at first, I don't want a ton of RGB bling either but the case I picked has some lights and I wanted to figure out how to make sure everything matched.
     
  10. Unabomber

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    Pretty much dead on. I'm using a MSI x470 Gaming Plus (has both 8 pin and 4 pin connectors on the motherboard), and it was doing just fine with just the 8 pin connector, running a Ryzen 5 2600X at 3.9 GHz continuously. I went ahead and bought a 4 pin cable for my Seasoninc MII 620 W modular unit, since it was only a few dollars, and it's nice to have peace of mind.

    It also worked fine with my old Antec Truepower Trio 650 W unit (single 8 pin connector), even at the mildly OC'ed speeds (Seasonic PSU didn't arrive that same day, and I didn't want to wait).
     
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  11. {NG}Fidel

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    Any ram suggestions for rgb? Looking to get 32gb ddr 4 rgb for my asus 470 prime, spare ram i had didn't work
     
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    {NG}Fidel [H]ardness Supreme

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    I've got corsair dominator plat 3000mhz 16gb x 2
    Was just trying to see if i could get away with using one stick in the ryzen machine temporarily.
     
  14. Lumpus

    Lumpus Limp Gawd

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    That Strix memory list was interesting... but not updated since April. I'm sure there's been a BIOS update or two since then
     
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