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Hershy said:
Also…

There’s this thing called… Wikipedia.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women's_sumo

“Professional sumo traditionally forbids women from competition and ceremonies. Women are not allowed to enter or touch the sumo wrestling ring (dohyō).[1] Despite this, women sumo wrestlers have existed through history and exist in the present day on an amateur level.”

“Various types of women's sumo existed, including touring "professionals". These continued to exist after the Meiji Restoration,[3] until women's sumo was cracked down upon by the Tokugawa shogunate and Meiji government, as they deemed the organizers of it to be corrupting public morals with these spectacles.[4]

Women's sumo continued to exist despite a government ban in 1926.[3] The practice would only die after the end of World War II, with the last group dissolving in 1963.[5]”
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So … this game takes place in 1579, and female sumo wrestling didn’t become “popularized” until 1603.
 
Shoganai said:
I'm a huge AC fan, and I've been waiting for a feudal Japan-based AC game since I started playing the series nearly 20 years ago, and I'm infuriated by this company's recent nonsense. So no, you're wrong.
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Well alright then… your anger over Ubisoft including the brief appearance of a female sumo wrestler has been noted!

My god…

Did the watermelons and the cherry blossoms also trigger you?
 
pendragon1 said:
and wiki is a piece of shit site, edited by retards.
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Also used by illiterate retards as a crutch for spurious arguments by selectively cutting and pasting, and not looking at any source material. For example:
Women's sumo would not become common until the 18th century in the middle of Edo (1603–1868), when a form of onna sumo was performed in some areas of Japan. Women's sumo was mainly a spectacle associated with brothels.
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That's right, women's sumo during the Edo period was the equivalent of foxy boxing and jelly wrestling.

It's also funny that much of the material referenced by Wikipedia only came into existence post 2018, i.e. when liberalism and political correctness went full retard. The single academic article cited confirms that women's sumo was prohibited and taboo.

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Shoganai said:
I'm a huge AC fan, and I've been waiting for a feudal Japan-based AC game since I started playing the series nearly 20 years ago, and I'm infuriated by this company's recent nonsense. So no, you're wrong.
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Hershy said:
I think the point is… nobody who is already an AC fan even remotely cares about this silly nonsense.
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see above. maybe not "huge" as ive only played 6-7 of them...
 
Blade-Runner said:
Also used by illiterate retards as a crutch for spurious arguments by selectively cutting and pasting, and not looking at any source material. For example:

That's right, women's sumo during the Edo period was the equivalent of foxy boxing and jelly wrestling.

It's also funny that much of the material referenced by Wikipedia only came into existence post 2018, i.e. when liberalism and political correctness went full retard. The single academic article cited confirms that women's sumo was prohibited and taboo.

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:ROFLMAO:
 
I'm not a historian or anything but I've literally never heard of, or seen, a female sumo wrestler. Prior to this exact moment I would have assumed it was a male-only sport and a woman competing at all would be "taboo".

Why is the sumo wrestler female and not male? Could it be because modern game devs have some weird obsession with ugly/fat women? It's probably the same reason Yasuke is one of the main characters. Just because something is historically accurate in some sense doesn't mean it belongs in the game.

I don't really care either way, I just wish devs were honest about it. I should just be glad they didn't give Naoe the Outlaws treatment.
 
Blade-Runner said:
Also used by illiterate retards as a crutch for spurious arguments by selectively cutting and pasting, and not looking at any source material. For example:

That's right, women's sumo during the Edo period was the equivalent of foxy boxing and jelly wrestling.

It's also funny that much of the material referenced by Wikipedia only came into existence post 2018, i.e. when liberalism and political correctness went full retard. The single academic article cited confirms that women's sumo was prohibited and taboo.

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LOL.

So what?
 
Also, just a reminder… or, for some people here who don’t even seem to know this… you’re not actually travelling back in time when you experience these historical settings.

In the game world, you’re still in present day. There are no time-machines in Assassin’s Creed. You’re literally inside the animus.

Even within the game world, it’s been explained that anachronisms can occur because the person who is in the animus is corrupting the narrative.

To focus on such petty historical details is not only silly - it actually ignores the fact that you literally do not travel back in time to experience these historical settings in the real world, or to change it.
 
I just can’t stop laughing at people trying to get historical accuracy in the game where literally every launching screen says this game is made by different faiths blah blah and a fiction.

Summarized 👆🏻if you have a shred of common sense.
 
KickAssCop said:
I just can’t stop laughing at people trying to get historical accuracy in the game where literally every launching screen says this game is made by different faiths blah blah and a fiction.

Summarized 👆🏻if you have a shred of common sense.
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I find it funnier how quickly all the consooooomer apologist neckbeards pivot from "lol its accurate" to "lol its just a game" when confronted with actual facts.

Perhaps Ubi should stop using historical accuracy and authenticity of the Assassin's Creed brand as a marketing point if it doesn't matter.
 
Hershy said:
Also, just a reminder… or, for some people here who don’t even seem to know this… you’re not actually travelling back in time when you experience these historical settings.

In the game world, you’re still in present day. There are no time-machines in Assassin’s Creed. You’re literally inside the animus.

Even within the game world, it’s been explained that anachronisms can occur because the person who is in the animus is corrupting the narrative.

To focus on such petty historical details is not only silly - it actually ignores the fact that you literally do not travel back in time to experience these historical settings in the real world, or to change it.
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So game lore is that DEI is a corruption.
 
pendragon1 said:
they did! (ubi)
and thats been one of our biggest points that those two dont seem to get. they(ubi) literally said you could learn japanese history from it, when its complete bullshit.
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If someone is thinking about learning history while playing a video game they have bigger problems. 👀
 
So the people who clearly hate Ubisoft… the people who clearly were never going to buy this game anyway… have found the following three things to rage about:

1) watermelons
2) cherry blossoms and watermelons at the same time of the year
3) female sumo wrestlers

There are no words…
 
Hershy said:
To focus on such petty historical details is not only silly - it actually ignores the fact that you literally do not travel back in time to experience these historical settings in the real world, or to change it.
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Nobody cares. Bad game is bad.
 
Blade-Runner said:
Perhaps Ubi should stop using historical accuracy and authenticity of the Assassin's Creed brand as a marketing point if it doesn't matter.
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This is such obvious trolling.

You can’t possibly be so stupid as to think these games are historical simulations.

We all know that the game is about aliens who created humans, who have created two groups, assassins and templars, who are searching for historical technology in order to rule the world, and that the player character, inside this thing called an animus, is experiencing a virtual world through his or her ancestor’s DNA.

They’re just silly games that take place in fun time periods.

Stop trolling.
 
KickAssCop said:
If someone is thinking about learning history while playing a video game they have bigger problems. 👀
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Same gaslighting, different day. Nobody expects to learn history from a videogame. It is always the creators who say: "Ehm, it is actually historically accurate chud, and if you say otherwise you are a bigot!"

All they needed to say is that it was never intended it to be historically accurate it is just a fantasy game, and the whole controversy would've been avoided. But they just can't help themselves how many times are they going to make the same mistake? Someone with half a brain would've learnt this after BFV at the latest.
 
I agree. Some people at UBI suck ass. However, generally the games have been great entertainment.

I don’t usually need to read or hear about what creators said when to enjoy a game. I can make my own judgments.
 
KickAssCop said:
If someone is thinking about learning history while playing a video game they have bigger problems. 👀
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Thank you.

No one plays these games because they have a passion for history.

Yes… we can so easily picture Blade-Runner, can’t we, on a Friday night, sitting down with a history book that he’s removed from the shelf of his home library, and spending hours reading about… history.

And clearly he wants this historical accuracy in all his video games too!

But Ubisoft has denied him by placing female sumo wrestlers and watermelons in the game. Oh, the outrage!

LOL.
 
Hershy said:
Thank you.

No one plays these games because they have a passion for history.

Yes… we can so easily picture Blade-Runner, can’t we, on a Friday night, sitting down with a history book that he’s removed from the shelf of his home library, and spending hours reading about… history.

And clearly he wants this historical accuracy in all his video games too!

But Ubisoft has denied him by placing female sumo wrestlers and watermelons in the game. Oh, the outrage!

LOL.
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they claimed it, we're not asking for it. ffs.
lol nothing
 
Just a reminder since the goal posts continue to keep moving. UBI went out of it's way to use a racist and sexist program to hire unqualified morons who then took an IP, a game engine, and the tools created by real game developers of the past and would then copy/paste gameplay for an easy cash grab making endless uninspired sequels. However they squandered all of these advantages by deciding to rage bait their audience. For those who don't know, for a short period of time, Hollywood could troll their audience and get more attention and money by rage baiting people into watching. After it became obvious that leaving a negative review didn't matter, audiences stopped watching/paying for rage bait and these little schemes began to fail.

UBI decided to own the chuds using a rage bait tactic and when they were called out by black people for being tokenistic, and then called out by Japanese people for being flat out racist (which they are) UBI then backpedaled and claimed that they were not trying to anger their fanbase or be racist and instead were telling a historically accurate tale. This led to them being picked apart by anyone with an IQ above room temperature. As it's become painfully obvious that the developers are very ignorant of Japanese culture. Copy/Paste # 6 is now set to fail, Hopefully in the near future real game developers will get their jobs back and start making real, original games again instead of this uninspired hate bait.
 
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Hershy said:
No one plays these games because they have a passion for history.
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Actually, yes, that was a big appeal of this series. The first games I played I enjoyed in large part to the glossary which covered historical events, specific locations that were in the real world (forts, buildings, etc.). They were quite accurate, I am sure they were not 100% accurate, but the historical references and world was better than most games and movies. It was kind of the point of the series.

Then they dropped it with Origins and went with this discovery tour thing, which was nice in its own way, but often too long winded for small details.

Its the mindset that because it is a game, anything goes, which I hate. Yes there are sci fi elements and it is not 100% historically accurate, but suggesting that means aliens and zombies would be perfectly fine in a serious story with the American Revolutionary War is just idiotic.
 
Flogger23m said:
Yes there are sci fi elements and it is not 100% historically accurate, but suggesting that means aliens and zombies would be perfectly fine in a serious story with the American Revolutionary War is just idiotic.
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You seem not to realize that aliens ARE in this game. In the AC universe, humans were created by an alien race.

Also, you, like everyone above, are refusing to acknowledge that there is no time travel in this series.

You literally will not be visiting Japan in this game. Your character will be inside the animus, in present day, linking into a virtual world by accessing your player’s ancestral DNA.

Historical anomalies are hard-wired into the narrative. This has all been explained in the games themselves.

The above comments make no sense in light of this.
 
Hershy said:
You seem not to realize that aliens ARE in this game. In the AC universe, humans were created by an alien race.
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...not in the revolutionary war. They're hidden and the two main factions fight against each other in the shadows, and have historically (in the game series) have not contradicted real world history.
 
Hershy said:
Thank you.

No one plays these games because they have a passion for history.

Yes… we can so easily picture Blade-Runner, can’t we, on a Friday night, sitting down with a history book that he’s removed from the shelf of his home library, and spending hours reading about… history.

And clearly he wants this historical accuracy in all his video games too!

But Ubisoft has denied him by placing female sumo wrestlers and watermelons in the game. Oh, the outrage!

LOL.
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Ubisoft actually leverages the historical accuracy of its games as a selling point for their Discovery license.

https://www.ubisoft.com/en-us/game/assassins-creed/discovery-tour

They even have curriculum guides for teachers who use their software in the classroom.
 
Hershy said:
No one plays these games because they have a passion for history.
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That seem a bit unfair, historian that play little game outside those play them, the game franchise has an history podcast:

View: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/echoes-of-history/id1615075257

Giant effort to reproduce the ancient world did attract people passionate of the ancient world in the game for sure, historical fiction is a type of thing.

A movie can be about space alien traveling time and having been there at the year X and staying perfectly historically accurate (who to say that not what happened) and that where a lot of the fiction occur in that franchise, in the who the says that not what happened because if it did, it was a secret conspiracy and a tech of the future who have yet to know exist.
 
Flogger23m said:
...not in the revolutionary war. They're hidden and the two main factions fight against each other in the shadows, and have historically (in the game series) have not contradicted real world history.
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Thank you for informing me of this.

It doesn’t really alter the fact that A) you, as the player character, are not actually transported back in time, but are connected to the animus, which is a VR type of device that feeds off your player’s ancestral DNA… and that B) these are just wacky games that aren’t meant to be taken seriously and if you do take them seriously you need to seek help!
 
Hershy said:
This is such obvious trolling.
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Coming from the resident shit poster responsible for the deletion and locking of umpteen threads here....hilarious.
Hershy said:
You can’t possibly be so stupid as to think these games are historical simulations.
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The stupidity appears to lie with those incapable of comprehending relatively simple arguments and factual statements.....such as.....UBISOFT MARKETING SPECIFICALLY HIGHLIGHTS THE HISTORICAL AUTHENTICITY AND ACCURACY OF ITS GAMES.
Hershy said:
They’re just silly games that take place in fun time periods.
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If they are so silly why are you here arguing with everyone? Go enjoy your garbage games whilst we laugh at you and anyone else vigorously defending multibillion dollar companies who couldn't give two shits about you defending their honor.
 
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Hershy said:
You seem not to realize that aliens ARE in this game. In the AC universe, humans were created by an alien race.

Also, you, like everyone above, are refusing to acknowledge that there is no time travel in this series.

You literally will not be visiting Japan in this game. Your character will be inside the animus, in present day, linking into a virtual world by accessing your player’s ancestral DNA.

Historical anomalies are hard-wired into the narrative. This has all been explained in the games themselves.

The above comments make no sense in light of this.
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When did anybody mention time travel? We know that the Animus is the gateway to a person's past since that has been the driving force of the series since the very beginning. That still means that they are being projected into an historical time and place, and the authenticity of the setting does not mean you can't have fantastical elements in the story. We've been over this before. The settings for all the games until Origins were all very authentic even when it was implied in Black Flag that Abstergo was altering the experience of those entering the machine.
 
Armenius said:
When did anybody mention time travel? We know that the Animus is the gateway to a person's past since that has been the driving force of the series since the very beginning. That still means that they are being projected into an historical time and place, and the authenticity of the setting does not mean you can't have fantastical elements in the story. We've been over this before. The settings for all the games until Origins were all very authentic even when it was implied in Black Flag that Abstergo was altering the experience of those entering the machine.
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You’re missing the point: all this talk of anachronisms is just plain silly, considering how silly the games themselves are.

Let’s take this back to what started this entire discussion:

Watermelons.

Cherry blossoms at the wrong time of the year.

Female sumo wrestlers.

These are the silly things that people at this forum were raging about. Go back and re-read the thread.

I mentioned time-travel, btw, because after melon-gate and sumo-wrestler-gate, some here started arguing that these were out of place - but they would only be out of place if you were to return to that period in reality.

In the world of AC you’re not doing that. Anything can happen in the animus because the player corrupts the narrative.

Hence the reason it’s not even logical to get upset about the appearance of watermelons in spite of how ridiculous it is to get so upset about something so silly in the first place.

LOL
 
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