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Shoganai said:
This is complete nonsense. I know that not even you believe half the things you type.
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If you’re saying that Yasuke (the mythical character, rather than the actual person) isn’t embedded within Japanese pop culture, then you’re extremely ignorant.

I don’t have to link you to the Netflix shows, or the children’s books, or the other video games that feature Yasuke, because you have Google, and it should take you five seconds to look this up. No Japanese would ever object to Yasuke featuring in an over-the-top computer game that has nothing to do with actual history (and never has) - because it fits perfectly.

The thing that most Japanese do object to is the westerner who wants to tell them all about real samurai. I’ve had that discussion with multiple Japanese work colleagues, and I’ve learned not to do it. They can’t stand it when a westerner starts babbling about things like bushido and the difference between a katana and a wakizashi. If you think you know about Japanese culture because you read Shogun (or watched the ridiculous show on Disney) then you’ll embarrass yourself in front of real Japanese.

What’s ironic here is that playing as Yasuke is actually more Japanese than playing as the westernized version of the samurai that most people here want to play as.
 
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chameleoneel said:
I think the most likely reason for the delay, is due to some other major releases in February. And Ubisoft REALLY needs this to sell well.
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I don't see anything major launching in February. Maybe Kingdom Come Deliverance II (February 4) since the first one sold pretty well. Nothing made by Obsidian outside of Fallout: New Vegas has ever sold well, and the pre-release attitude toward Avowed (February 18) has really soured due to the usual BS.
Axman said:
Yeah it has nothing to do with launching this game in Black History Month.
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They would have kept it to the February launch window if they cared about black history month.
 
Whoops. So much for being sensitive to cultural issues. Could have released on Tuesday the 18th instead.

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Hershy said:
If you’re saying that Yasuke (the mythical character, rather than the actual person) isn’t embedded within Japanese pop culture, then you’re extremely ignorant.

I don’t have to link you to the Netflix shows, or the children’s books, or the other video games that feature Yasuke, because you have Google, and it should take you five seconds to look this up. No Japanese would ever object to Yasuke featuring in an over-the-top computer game that has nothing to do with actual history (and never has) - because it fits perfectly.

The thing that most Japanese do object to is the westerner who wants to tell them all about real samurai. I’ve had that discussion with multiple Japanese work colleagues, and I’ve learned not to do it. They can’t stand it when a westerner starts babbling about things like bushido and the difference between a katana and a wakizashi. If you think you know about Japanese culture because you read Shogun (or watched the ridiculous show on Disney) then you’ll embarrass yourself in front of real Japanese.

What’s ironic here is that playing as Yasuke is actually more Japanese than playing as the westernized version of the samurai that most people here want to play as.
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Every time you try to make an argument, it's riddled with generalizations, unsupported claims, and an air of trolling.

Saying that Yasuke is embedded within Japanese pop culture like it's some kind of unquestionable fact requires a lot more than a vague allusion to Google and Netflix. If you’re unwilling to provide specific evidence, the burden isn’t on anyone else but you to validate your claim. Yasuke's existence in media is primarily in the Western space, not Japan. I would hardly classify anything related to Yasuke as being embedded in their culture.

Also, your ridiculous comment that no Japanese would ever object to Yasuke being in a game is literally nonsense, as Japanese people are literally objecting to Yasuke being in AC Shadows. You clearly don't speak for all Japanese people, and neither do your work "Japanese" colleagues, though I have a good feeling that these colleagues don't even actually exist. Cultural reception varies significantly. People have different opinions, especially when it comes to historical reinterpretations in popular media, and the reinterpretation of things has been an absolute joke lately. Nothing is ever approved universally. Period.

Then you go on about Westerners discussing samurai culture. Literally nobody in here argued for appropriating or lecturing Japanese people about their own history or culture. This kind of straw man nonsense seems to be the main way in which you continuously fail to communicate properly with anyone in here when you're trying to make a point. You say something nobody said, and then go off on a tangent. Pointing out that some people romanticize the samurai lore, such as Shogun, has no relevance to Yasuke in video games whatsoever. And by the way, the majority of the information Ubisoft gathered about Yasuke came from a book written by a white guy that pulled 99% of what he wrote out of his ass. All you do is deflect, make accusations, and infuse straw man nonsense into everything you type.

And then, to finish off your already ridiculous rant, you say that playing as Yasuke is actually more Japanese than playing as the westernized version of the samurai. This is literally a fallacy. The authenticity of a character in a game depends on the faithfulness of their depiction, not on arbitrary comparisons. Neither Yasuke’s actual historical presence in Japan (he wasn't even a samurai in the first place) nor his fictionalized portrayal in media is inherently more “Japanese” than a samurai archetype. It completely depends on context and execution. Also, this game isn't being made by Japanese developers, so I'm not sure what you're smoking. The portrayal of Yasuke is based on a falsified book written by some white guy and the game is being developed by a bunch of white people. Everything about this game is Westernized, not to mention that to top it all off, Ubisoft decided to make Yasuke gay for no reason.
 
Hershy said:
What’s ironic here is that playing as Yasuke is actually more Japanese than playing as the westernized version of the samurai that most people here want to play as.
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LOL.

A gay black samurai is about as Western as it gets. Westerners and Easterners alike have a problem with the protag because he's not.. wait for it...... Japanese.
 
Armenius said:
I don't see anything major launching in February. Maybe Kingdom Come Deliverance II (February 4) since the first one sold pretty well. Nothing made by Obsidian outside of Fallout: New Vegas has ever sold well, and the pre-release attitude toward Avowed (February 18) has really soured due to the usual BS..
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Kingdom Come: Deliverance 2 — February 11
Civilization 7 — February 11
Avowed — February 18
Monster Hunter Wilds — February 27
Like a Dragon: Pirate Yakuza in Hawaii -
February 27
 
Armenius said:
Whoops. So much for being sensitive to cultural issues. Could have released on Tuesday the 18th instead.

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Despite studying Japanese for a few years and visiting Japan 3 times, I am not aware: do Japanese companies avoid releasing games/Anime/other entertainment products, on this day?

*Xenoblade Chronicles X: Definitive Editon also has a release date of March 20th. So, I call B.S. on this. That person is trolling.
 
Dion said:
So the world stop working cause of the dates?? That's like saying Airplanes should stop flying on 9/11.... Can't believe this was even posted..
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at least that would be related, that like saying Japan and the rest of the world should not release book-movies-tv shows-video game 9/11 or dec.7 if it set in the USA, even if the content has anything to do with the events or thinking American would be angry about it
 
chameleoneel said:
Despite studying Japanese for a few years and visiting Japan 3 times, I am not aware: do Japanese companies avoid releasing games/Anime/other entertainment products, on this day?

*Xenoblade Chronicles X: Definitive Editon also has a release date of March 20th. So, I call B.S. on this. That person is trolling.
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They’re just stirring the pot. The date of release is irrelevant. I just find it coincidentally hilarious.
 
KickAssCop said:
So much nonsensical drama about this game. Let them release, then pass comments ffs.
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It’s pathetic.

w35t said:
LOL.

A gay black samurai is about as Western as it gets. Westerners and Easterners alike have a problem with the protag because he's not.. wait for it...... Japanese.
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So you don’t like to read?

LOL. Google this… the Japanese themselves have already embraced the black dude… he’s embedded within Japanese popular culture and has been for decades. It takes literally ten seconds to look this up.

And, sorry, but yeah… putting this character in a zany video game that has virtually nothing to do with real history fits perfectly.

On the other hand, you could choose to play as the female Japanese shinobi, who climbs up the sides of buildings in two seconds and kills six men in ten seconds because of course we all understand how historically accurate that is.
 
I need to come up with a slogan of support. Something like: “I say yay to Yasuke!” Maybe I’ll put that in my signature.

I’ll probably play as the chick though… excuse me, woman.
 
pendragon1 said:
you make the claim, you provide the proof.
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It’s everywhere? Use google:

https://shop.minimuseum.com/blogs/c...oaCI-kUHgOReukjkxNSk_1czeXf3LUznTdtvMrpLj1Tgj

“Many artists today have attempted to fill in the gaps of Yasuke's life in Japan, as his figure plays a significant role in modern-day popular culture. Yasuke and characters inspired by him are at the forefront of many anime programs, children’s books, manga series, video games, and more. He has become somewhat of a historical folk hero in Japanese pop culture as an image of a black samurai, an outsider from a distant land who grew to fame and power.’
 
Hershy said:
It’s everywhere? Use google:

https://shop.minimuseum.com/blogs/c...oaCI-kUHgOReukjkxNSk_1czeXf3LUznTdtvMrpLj1Tgj

“Many artists today have attempted to fill in the gaps of Yasuke's life in Japan, as his figure plays a significant role in modern-day popular culture. Yasuke and characters inspired by him are at the forefront of many anime programs, children’s books, manga series, video games, and more. He has become somewhat of a historical folk hero in Japanese pop culture as an image of a black samurai, an outsider from a distant land who grew to fame and power.’
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if you'd carefully read that, its not actually supporting what you claim, and weve already been through how its based on lies from white people. its just a sensational headline on an opinion piece writen by a white dude named J. Carlin Decker III. lol
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"little historical documentation" "little direct information" "attempted to fill in the gaps", plus "swordbearer" =/= samurai

your "japanese history experts"
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lets stop with the white lies, k?
 
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pendragon1 said:
if you'd carefully read that, its not actually supporting what you claim, and weve already been through how its based one lies from white people. its just a sensational headline on an opinion piece writen by a white dude names J. Carlin Decker III. lol
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"little historical documentation" "little direct information" "attempted to fill in the gaps" "swordbearer" =/= samurai

your "japanese history experts"
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lets stop with the white lies, k?
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As far as I can tell, I can only find Kuro-suke a children's book from the 60s that seems to have come out of Japan. The other things referenced are western things, like an "anime" made by Netflix and other western media. I am sure there is a bit more things made in Japan that feature him but all things considered he is far from culturally significant or widespread.
 
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As far as I can tell, I can only find Kuro-suke a children's book from the 60s that seems to have come out of Japan. The other things referenced are western things, like an "anime" made by Netflix and other western media. I am sure there is a bit more things made in Japan that feature him but all things considered he is far from culturally significant or widespread.
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but the samurai spin on that only came when it hit the west. any use of the word has been within the last 15ish years.

synopsis before white people got involved:
Kuro-suke(Black One)
"In the late sixteenth century, when Oda Nobunaga is holding sway over Japan, a black young man is sent to Nobunaga as a gift from a missionary*. Japanese people at that time do not know about black people, and they are very surprised. The young man is named Kurusan Yasuke, or Kuro-suke, and is made an attendant of Nobunaga. Kuro-suke is cheerful and hard working. He follows Nobunaga's willful riding, and performs tricks when he is asked. Nobunaga and the household members come to be fond of him. Kuro-suke used to be a slave and he knows no other way to survive than to be meet other people's expectations and work hard. When Akechi Mitsuhide attacks Nobunaga at Honnôji Temple, Kuro-suke fights bravely. Nobunaga kills himself, and Kuro-suke is saved and sent to Namban temple. When he sleeps that night, he dreams of his parents in Africa. Kuro-suke cries silently. "
"The idea of a black man working for Nobunaga is was considered quite unique at the time. Kuro-suke’s effort as a man of Nobunaga is considered a bit odd and humorous, and his fate is painful"

*totally not a slave /s
 
pendragon1 said:
if you'd carefully read that, its not actually supporting what you claim, and weve already been through how its based on lies from white people. its just a sensational headline on an opinion piece writen by a white dude named J. Carlin Decker III. lol
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"little historical documentation" "little direct information" "attempted to fill in the gaps", plus "swordbearer" =/= samurai

your "japanese history experts"
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lets stop with the white lies, k?
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Are you being serious? LOL! There’s this thing called… Wikipedia.

Okay… so I literally have to copy and paste from Wikipedia now?

LOL

I literally can’t tell if you’re joking… or if you’re just trolling for fun?

Anyway…

Literature​

  • In 1968, author Yoshio Kurusu and artist Genjirō Mita published a children's book about Yasuke titled Kurosuke (くろ助). The following year, the book won the Japanese Association of Writers for Children Prize (日本児童文学者協会賞, Nihon Jidō Bungakusha Kyōkai-shō).[42][43]
  • Yasuke inspired the 1971 satirical novel Kuronbō (黒ん坊) by Shūsaku Endō.[44][45]
  • Yasuke appears in the 2008 novel Momoyama Beat Tribe [ja] as one of the main characters. This novel was later made into a play in 2017.[46]

Manga and anime​

  • Yasuke appears as Alessandro Valignano's servant in volume 29 of the ongoing manga series The Knife and the Sword by Takurō Kajikawa.[47]
  • The ongoing time-travel manga series Nobunaga Concerto by Ayumi Ishii portrays Yasuke as a Black baseball player from the present day.[47]
  • Yasuke was the inspiration for Takashi Okazaki's Afro Samurai franchise.[43]
  • Yasuke plays a minor role in the 2005 to 2017 manga series Hyouge Mono by Yoshihiro Yamada.[47]
  • Yasuke is featured in the 2016 to 2020 manga series Nobunaga o Koroshita Otoko (信長を殺した男, "The Man Who Killed Nobunaga") by Akechi Kenzaburō and Yutaka Tōdō.[47]
  • Yasuke is the main protagonist in the 2021 Netflixanime series Yasuke, created by LeSean Thomas and animated by MAPPA. He is voiced by Jun Soejima in Japanese and LaKeith Stanfield in English.[48][49]

Film​

  • In March 2017, Lionsgate announced plans for a live-action film about Yasuke titled Black Samurai.[50] In May 2019, Deadline reported that the film, retitled Yasuke, had left Lionsgate for Picturestart. Chadwick Boseman signed on to portray Yasuke.[51][52] As of September 2021, Picturestart's official website states that the film is "in development".[53]
  • In April 2019, MGM announced plans for their own live-action film about Yasuke, to be produced by Andrew Mittman and Lloyd Braun of Whalerock Industries, with a script written by Stuart C. Paul.[54]
  • In the 2023 historical drama film Kubi directed by Takeshi Kitano, Yasuke, in another portrayal by Jun Soejima, served as a retainer to Oda Nobunaga.[55]
  • In April 2024, a new feature film spec script titled Black Samurai written by Blitz Bazawule was acquired by Warner Bros. for Bazawule to direct.[56]

Video games​

Music​

So, yeah, looks like it isn’t just a DEI thing… or a bunch of… ‘white lies’.

Wow… joke post?? WTF? lol

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None of this matters anyway. Yasuke is in the game and if you don’t like him then play as the woman. If you don’t want to play as a woman then don’t play the game.

The truth is, I genuinely feel that most of the people who are against Yasuke being in AC were never going to play the game to begin with and are really just having a bash at Ubisoft.

Getting these people to admit that however is impossible.
 
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Hershy said:
Wikipedia
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lol weve been over this, im not going to pick it all apart, again, ill just use one of your first examples:

Hershy said:
Yasuke inspired the 1971 satirical novel Kuronbō (黒ん坊) by Shūsaku Endō.[44][45]
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there a reason youre not allowed to use wiki in school...
youre also ignoring my point that: yes he existed, hes not what they/you claim he is

Hershy said:
I literally can’t tell if you’re joking… or if you’re just trolling for fun?
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we know you are, youve admitted it multiple times, so you should just drop the sad woke routine.
before you get another thread locked.
 
Hershy said:
This ‘sentence’ is just… so revealing.

Are you even going to play this game - or are you just here to agitate people?
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I think the point is, around a 3rd of the things you listed were western and not Japanese. Like 3 out of the 4 films you listed. Of the things that were Japanese, few if any make him a samurai.

I'll probably play this game eventually. I got a key for cheap (bundle with Outlaws), and it should include both expansions. With Ubisoft cancelling pre-orders and changing their editions we'll see if I end up getting the 2nd DLC for free. I am worried they'll change the edition tied to my account and I won't get the 2nd DLC. Regardless, will probably be a while until I play it. Better games are out/coming out. I still have Indiana Jones and Black Myth installed, have not launched yet.
 
Hershy said:
But the original point, which has now been completely lost, is that Yasuke, whether you like it or not, is known to the Japanese the same way Johnny Appleseed is known to Americans.
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and im saying hes not, and so does your own "proof". only "bad faith player" here is you, who has admitted to acting just like this to rile people up and quit with the insults and personal attacks. stop.
 
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What if Ubisoft delayed this not to make it better, but to not have its under-performance further diminish their bargaining position for a buyout.
 
The articles make it sound like they revamped all these features, then you watch the video and it's the same shit as previous games. Looks like they're using the same engine as well, the map design and icons are all copy-pasted.
Just a weird approach for them to take.

"The map reveals icons as you zoom in."
"When at a viewpoint, you can highlight and target locations."

Yeah... no shit, dude.
 
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