Are there any 120mmX120mm radiators? (Lian Li 351 water cooling plan)

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Complete lack of water cooling experience and i ve been using my Lian Li system the last couple of years with the stock Intel cooler, really terrible after dust starts accumulating naturally, but the summer was quite hot and i am now at about 20-25 degrees (Celcius) above room temp at idle. I remove the left case panel in order to play games and be able to remain below 80 C.
So i am not a big fan of modding nor have much free time, so i was thinking of either going for a different mid tower (with a handle) and add a 3rd 3.5 hdd, or just use a water cooler with the 351 case. I do use a geargrip handle all this time to move the case to my car so it is quite portable in this respect.

So since i have no experience, i was thinking of a closed loop water cooler. I forgot to mention that although i have the micro atx Gene IV Rampage i have turned off all and any overclocking type of options, everything to normal-standard etc., for thermal reasons. So maybe i could turn some features on too with the water cooler.

So it would at first glance seem that one of the two pre-installed 120mm fans on the front of the case would be the simple place to put a 120mm closed loop radiator. There is the bracket there, cool, everything easy.
But from what i see, the 120mm fan RADIATORS do not come in equal size sides. Most of them are 3-4 cm longer on the one side, something like 120X155mm. This causes problems and ruins my easy ideal setup.

So, first of all

-Are there any exact 120X120mm radiators by any brand that would exactly fit the fan???

I have about 3cm width for the radiator available.

I am going to post a picture, but the available space is as follows:

If the radiator is protruding and there are no 120X120 radiators available, i have to find one of a specific size. I have about 2.5 cm available from the right and down of the fan, but only about 5mm to the left and even less than that to the top.

So the next possibility is if i find a radiator that is completely even to the fan on all sides and protrudes only on one side, by up to 2.5 cm. And by these i mean of course that the screw alignment would lead to these types of result, not just the shapes comparisons!

So is there such a radiator? And another question, is it ok to install a radiator in any angle? I mean horizontally or vertically. And of course i am only starting to read about if it should be pulling air in or out....:confused:
 
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Okay, so you're essentially looking for an 80-92mm rad.

Pardon the links to FrozenCPU. But this should give you an idea of what you want then you can go looking.

Black Ice Xtreme GTX: 93x119x54

Black Ice Nemesis GTX: 93x121x54

Your requirement for 30mm thickness though is going to probably kill your choices.

Additionally, as long as you're mounting the radiator squarely, you shouldn't have any problems regarding orientation (ports on top, bottom or sides).

Trying to mount it cockeyed might lead to problems trying to remove air from the loop.
 

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http://www.lian-li.com/en/dt_portfolio/pc-v351/

For those who do not know the case, the pictures in the above link show the way the 120mm fans are pre-installed.

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As we can see i want to remove the metal bracket from the left fan and put the radiator on. Or find a fan of similar size. There is to the right and down some space, 2.5-3 cm, but only a few millimeters to the left and up.

Will i find what i am looking for?
 
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http://www.lian-li.com/en/dt_portfolio/pc-v351/

For those who do not know the case, the pictures in the above link show the way the 120mm fans are pre-installed.

I'm PRETTY sure that they don't come pre-installed with that much dust on them...

;)

But seriously:

As we can see i want to remove the metal bracket from the left fan and put the radiator on. Or find a fan of similar size. There is to the right and down some space, 2.5-3 cm, but only a few millimeters to the left and up.

Will i find what i am looking for?

I don't think so. You could PROBABLY rig up a 92mm (or dualie 92mm) in that front intake bracket.

The BIG problem is going to be clearance depth. Most of those types of rads are 54mm deep. Meaning it'd JUST fit into the space you have. But you wouldn't be able to mount fans.

I think the case is just too tight, and unless someone knows a source, you'd likely have to have a custom-sized (or custom-configured) rad made (which would NOT be inexpensive).
 

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I'm PRETTY sure that they don't come pre-installed with that much dust on them...

;)
Of course not, that's why i give the Lian Li website link for pictures of how they come out of the box.

You re not seeing things in a positive light, it is not dust in the other pictures, look at it as a form of decoration.


But seriously:



I don't think so. You could PROBABLY rig up a 92mm (or dualie 92mm) in that front intake bracket.

The BIG problem is going to be clearance depth. Most of those types of rads are 54mm deep. Meaning it'd JUST fit into the space you have. But you wouldn't be able to mount fans.

I think the case is just too tight, and unless someone knows a source, you'd likely have to have a custom-sized (or custom-configured) rad made (which would NOT be inexpensive).


I don't see you very optimistic and it worries me.

I actually MAY have found a solution/candidate, without the need to mod ANYTHING, just remove the metal bracket from the fan.

I see that the Zalman LQ310 http://www.zalman.com/eng/product/Product_Read.php?Idx=707

has a radiator dimension of 120X153X28mm
So the issue would be how those extra 3.3cm are exactly distributed left and right. The tubing side i can put to the right where i have 2.5 to 3cm free space between the two fans, and that leaves us with the left side. I can't tell by the pictures of the radiator, so i just mailed them to ask them. I measured exactly 7mm free space between the end of the fan and a closed case, if this radiator fits this number then i could install the loop and be able to close the case without any bother, no harm done and good to go! I m waiting for their reply.
 
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Of course not, that's why i give the Lian Li website link for pictures of how they come out of the box.

You re not seeing things in a positive light, it is not dust in the other pictures, look at it as a form of decoration.

It was a joke. Hence the smiley-face.


I don't see you very optimistic and it worries me.

You've got some rather tight clearances there and a somewhat unique mounting strategy.
That kind of thing almost ALWAYS makes finding off-the-shelf parts an absolute bitch-and-a-half.


I actually MAY have found a solution/candidate, without the need to mod ANYTHING, just remove the metal bracket from the fan.

I see that the Zalman LQ310 http://www.zalman.com/eng/product/Product_Read.php?Idx=707

has a radiator dimension of 120X153X28mm
So the issue would be how those extra 3.3cm are exactly distributed left and right. The tubing side i can put to the right where i have 2.5 to 3cm free space between the two fans, and that leaves us with the left side. I can't tell by the pictures of the radiator, so i just mailed them to ask them. I measured exactly 7mm free space between the end of the fan and a closed case, if this radiator fits this number then i could install the loop and be able to close the case without any bother, no harm done and good to go! I m waiting for their reply.

Basically I'd take a couple measurements just to be safe. Yank the fan in question and then tape-measure it to the back of that I/O breakout.
 

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It was a joke. Hence the smiley-face.

Yes, i got it. I appreciated your sense of humor and responded with a joke too.



You've got some rather tight clearances there and a somewhat unique mounting strategy.
That kind of thing almost ALWAYS makes finding off-the-shelf parts an absolute bitch-and-a-half.

What is unique about the strategy? It would maybe qualify to be characterized as "lazy" because i simply don't want to be modding stuff in the case if i don't need to. If radiators were made to exactly fit the respective fan sizes, i wouldnt have a problem. For some reason they are not and they are not made symmetric in their sides.


Basically I'd take a couple measurements just to be safe. Yank the fan in question and then tape-measure it to the back of that I/O breakout.

I don't understand what you are suggesting i should do with the fan, since it is firmly screwed on the bracket.

Check out these pics to understand how the bracket is placed in the case

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http://www.hwp.ru/articles/Lian_Li_...oATX_korpusa_dlya_igr_i_HTPC_72252/?PAGEN_1=3


The other thing that may be a problem, is that the Zalman model i mentioned, seems to be installed in a dual fan design, or in a way that the radiator is towards the case and THEN the fan, if installed in a mono-fan way. That would mean i should put the radiator on the bracket and then the fan, but then i should put another bracket on the fan since there are so many cables around.

So my question still stands and i am still searching, if there is a close loop cooler with a radiator that comes in the shape of an absolute square, just like the 120mm fan, or at least having three equal sides and only one protruding, and i mean of course with all fittings etc extra sizes included..
 
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What I am saying is, can you provide the following measurements.

1) Distance between the front panel of the case and the bracket.
2) Thickness of the bracket.
3) Distance from the inner face of the bracket to the motherboard itself.
4) Figure out where you would, prospectively, cut the bracket and give us a depth measurement from there to the inside edge of the components on that HDMI/USB/Sound break-out panel.

This will give us a general idea of how much TOTAL space you have for both the rad AND an accompanying fan (as just installing a fanless rad doesn't work too well).

I'm asking for the following reason.

Because of the way the bracket is bent to accomodate the fans, you have more VERTICAL clearance behind the bracket. Which might make mounting a standard rad, with the ports on the bottom, feasible.

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Also, if you CAN slip a rad behind the bracket, your tolerances are loose than you suspect. As having an edge of the radiator SLIGHTLY impinge on the other fan isn't THAT horrendous of a compromise.
 

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First of all, you have to tell me what is it that you would suggest i should consider doing:

putting a radiator on the bracket and THEN the fan on the inner side of the radiator?

Because till now what i am thinking is about using the standard size 2.5cm fan with the wonderfull antivibration screws already provided and put a radiator on it from the inner side.

As i said, the optimal would be for me not to change anything, not to have to drill holes, or cut the bracket in any way. It would have already been done and i wouldn't be expanding this thread, if only radiators were made in a square shape and not in a random 120X153 or something shape.



What I am saying is, can you provide the following measurements.

1) Distance between the front panel of the case and the bracket.
2) Thickness of the bracket.
3) Distance from the inner face of the bracket to the motherboard itself.

Sure

1) 41mm
2) 1mm
3) 43mm

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But the really important measurements are to the top and to the left actually. So that, if the fittings side of the radiator go to the right between the fans or down, where there both is space available, the opposite side with the tank protrusion will have to be either up or to the left. And as i show in the pic, there is only 5mm to the left and even less upwards. THIS is the problem i am having.



4) Figure out where you would, prospectively, cut the bracket and give us a depth measurement from there to the inside edge of the components on that HDMI/USB/Sound break-out panel.



This will give us a general idea of how much TOTAL space you have for both the rad AND an accompanying fan (as just installing a fanless rad doesn't work too well).

I'm asking for the following reason.

Because of the way the bracket is bent to accomodate the fans, you have more VERTICAL clearance behind the bracket. Which might make mounting a standard rad, with the ports on the bottom, feasible.

Wait a minute, who said anything about cutting the bracket? We re talking about a clean tireless non-time consuming solution here. As i said above there is about 4cm space between the front of the case and the bracket, but is not of much use, because it is blocked to the left by the connector you see in the pics, unfortunately. And as for vertical space, check out the picture i posted in one of the posts above with just the bracket, without the fans. You will notice that the horizontal bracket continues and touches the front of the case, going in fact one milimetre LOWER than the surface right above the fan which can house a 5.25 dvd slot or a 3.5 hdd .


I don't see you being exactly correct in this picture, because the total height for the radiator is what you see in the pictures, the top of the fan plus 3mm on the inside of the fan, or plus 2mm on the other side, towards the front of the case. I don't understand what you mean by "depth limit" and unfortunately i am color blind in some colors and can't tell if you used the same color for "depth limit" and "total prospective depth for rad+fan" and the lines they should correspond to or are using different colors.


Also, if you CAN slip a rad behind the bracket, your tolerances are loose than you suspect. As having an edge of the radiator SLIGHTLY impinge on the other fan isn't THAT horrendous of a compromise.


I must say i don't understand what you mean in the above part of your post. You are talking about placing a radiator in the front space between the case and the bracket. But there is the connector on the way. Plus, it would have to have the bracket itself between it and the fan. Plus we still haven't discussed the way i should plan the fan to be facing, should it pull air in or out and what does that have to do with if the radiator goes first towards the front of the case, or the fan, since a dual fan desing is most likely out of the question in my case.
 
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Vertical line next to "Total Prospective Depth" is Total Prospective Depth of the radiator + bracket + fan assembly from the front panel of the case.

The black vertical line all the way to the left is the front panel of the case.
The vertical line right next to it is Total Prospective Height from the bottom of the case.

And YES, what I'm talking about is sliding the radiator BEHIND the bracket and then affixing it to the fan THROUGH the bracket.

It's really tough to tell from your pictures, so I'm not sure you have clearance down the "right" side (the side your pictures are taken on) to simply worm the tubing and pump/block around to the CPU.

Likely, this will mean you need to go, as you were talking about, single fan.

Okay, here's the reverse side of the case:

v351-007.jpg


Here's specs on the Thermaltake Water 3 Performer C (just as a "for-example", not recommending any particular solution at this time).

http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/Liqui...02470/Water_3_0_Performer_C/Specification.htm

Basically, at 27mm deep, it should be able to slide in from the opposite side of the case with a bit of clearance to spare.

You'll need to mount it sideways like so.

RearMount.jpg


The gray area's the radiator.
The black circles are the hose/tubing fittings.
The transparent/translucent yellow area's the 120x240 mm face of the bracket (not including the bends and ledges and ignoring the dead-space between the fans (see below).

That SHOULD fit okay, though you MAY have to do some SMALL bit of cutting with a dremel to make sure the tubing area's totally accessible. Make sure, if you have to do any cutting, to take a file to it to smooth out the rough cut edges or use a gasket in there to prevent the hoses from getting cut.

If you wanted to be a bit savvier, you could mount it with the hose ports DOWN and dremel out a pass through on the front face the bottom ledge (again, take a file to it to smooth the edges or use a gasket).

If you decide to cut this way, start the cut through the bottom of the fan-hole you're mounting the radiator to. So the hoses will slide, one at a time, down, and then towards the center of the case. This won't really compromise front-to-back stability in the ledge of the bracket. And mounting the fan will take care of any lateral or vertical stability issues.

Hell, from this pic off the Lian Li site, you might also be able to cut a COMPLETE pass-thru out of the area between the fan holes too.

If you decide to cut this way, start it like you were just clearing space per my original diagram. Then just keep backing it in until the hoses are unobstructed.

Either the hoses-down or COMPLETE pass-thru method would actually, if possible and done right, allow you to STILL mount BOTH fans.

As for fan direction, I'd place the fan blowing inward. Yes, the air will be warmer than room temp. But your system will still need some sort of intake flow.
 
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Are you sure you need this ? There was a thread a couple of years ago showing that even 140mm rads make little sens in comparison to high end air coolers...
 

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But from what i see, the 120mm fan RADIATORS do not come in equal size sides. Most of them are 3-4 cm longer on the one side, something like 120X155mm. This causes problems and ruins my easy ideal setup.

So, first of all

-Are there any exact 120X120mm radiators by any brand that would exactly fit the fan???

If radiators were made to exactly fit the respective fan sizes, i wouldnt have a problem. For some reason they are not and they are not made symmetric in their sides.
[...]
So my question still stands and i am still searching, if there is a close loop cooler with a radiator that comes in the shape of an absolute square, just like the 120mm fan, or at least having three equal sides and only one protruding, and i mean of course with all fittings etc extra sizes included..
There are no square 120x120mm radiators because of the end tanks and ports, which typically add around 35mm total to one dimension. In principle, a radiator could be made with the end tanks within the 120x120mm area, but this would significantly cut down on the fin area, which would negatively impact performance.
 

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Are you sure you need this ? There was a thread a couple of years ago showing that even 140mm rads make little sens in comparison to high end air coolers...

I don't have SPACE for high end coolers man, don't you get it? Take a look at the pics in the thread, it is a small case. All this talk and confusion makes me want to order the Big Shuriken 2 rev b i have been researching some time ago, fits perfectly in my case and although i won't be likely to see any miracles, i am pretty sure i will have at least a 10 C decrease in idle and load cpu temps from the dusty Intel cooler i have now...





Vertical line next to "Total Prospective Depth" is Total Prospective Depth of the radiator + bracket + fan assembly from the front panel of the case.

The black vertical line all the way to the left is the front panel of the case.
The vertical line right next to it is Total Prospective Height from the bottom of the case.

And YES, what I'm talking about is sliding the radiator BEHIND the bracket and then affixing it to the fan THROUGH the bracket.


Don't get confused or overexcited, because i believe i have already discussed what you are proposing in this post. So, first of all, there would be an extra 1mm aluminum (bracket) between the radiator and its fan. Is that ok or would it hinder cooling? I am a complete beginner i mean an outsider to water cooling, so i don't know. And this plan goes against what i see in most pictures of closed loops, fan on the case, radiator follows.
So what i am saying, is that i am not an "enthusiast", i mean i am, but only when i have time available. Right now i don't want to experiment, i want sure and safe solutions, to carry on with my damn life without an overheating cpu while playing couple of games in full settings. Its not that much to ask!


It's really tough to tell from your pictures, so I'm not sure you have clearance down the "right" side (the side your pictures are taken on) to simply worm the tubing and pump/block around to the CPU.

You mean the right side of the case? There is NO space, it is the GPU there and lots of cables of course. By that doesn't concern us in our situation.


Likely, this will mean you need to go, as you were talking about, single fan.

What are you talking about? I never said i want to remove one of the fans. If i wanted to do that, or to drill screw holes in other parts of the bracket, or cut the bracket, we wouldn't be having this conversation. What i want is to find a way to simply "put", "place" the radiator and its fan in the place of the left fan.

Okay, here's the reverse side of the case:

v351-007.jpg


Here's specs on the Thermaltake Water 3 Performer C (just as a "for-example", not recommending any particular solution at this time).

http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/Liqui...02470/Water_3_0_Performer_C/Specification.htm

Basically, at 27mm deep, it should be able to slide in from the opposite side of the case with a bit of clearance to spare.

You'll need to mount it sideways like so.

RearMount.jpg


The gray area's the radiator.
The black circles are the hose/tubing fittings.
The transparent/translucent yellow area's the 120x240 mm face of the bracket (not including the bends and ledges and ignoring the dead-space between the fans (see below).

That SHOULD fit okay, though you MAY have to do some SMALL bit of cutting with a dremel to make sure the tubing area's totally accessible. Make sure, if you have to do any cutting, to take a file to it to smooth out the rough cut edges or use a gasket in there to prevent the hoses from getting cut.

If you wanted to be a bit savvier, you could mount it with the hose ports DOWN and dremel out a pass through on the front face the bottom ledge (again, take a file to it to smooth the edges or use a gasket).

If you decide to cut this way, start the cut through the bottom of the fan-hole you're mounting the radiator to. So the hoses will slide, one at a time, down, and then towards the center of the case. This won't really compromise front-to-back stability in the ledge of the bracket. And mounting the fan will take care of any lateral or vertical stability issues.

Hell, from this pic off the Lian Li site, you might also be able to cut a COMPLETE pass-thru out of the area between the fan holes too.

If you decide to cut this way, start it like you were just clearing space per my original diagram. Then just keep backing it in until the hoses are unobstructed.

Either the hoses-down or COMPLETE pass-thru method would actually, if possible and done right, allow you to STILL mount BOTH fans.

As for fan direction, I'd place the fan blowing inward. Yes, the air will be warmer than room temp. But your system will still need some sort of intake flow.



Listen, its really simple. First of all I DONT WANT TO CUT. If i wanted to, sure i would be able to install an espresso maker in there (joke).

What you are discussing is what i have been saying since the beginning. Either fan first or radiator first, no difference, either sideways or with the fittings DOWN. There IS space for both options for the fittings area being either down or to the right between the fans. The problem is the space required for the TANK on the side of the radiator opposite the fittings side. But these can only be done to the left, over the left fan, because the blue thing you see in the pics in front of the right fan is the GTX 670 and there is no space there.

So let me simplify things for you. The measurement goes like this in the width of the case :

5mm case to bracket-120mm(left fan)-25mm(space between fans)-120mm(right fan)-5mm bracket to case


So the fittings with the radiator sideways can easily fit through the space between the fans without any changes or cutting. BUT, i suspect the tank is more than 5 mm, it must be about 10mm and the fittings about 25mm. So the case will not be able to close properly for a few milimetres...

As for vertical placement, the fittings as i have already said fit easily below the bracket, but the tank does not fit in the 3mm space between the fan and the upper bracket.


I am seriously thinking of going with the Big Shuriken 2 rev b and leave the water cooling options for a possible future.
 

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Can I ask a stupid question........ does it HAVE to be internal?

What about an external solution? Would just mean you run the tubes to the CPU and GPU blocks but the radiators would be mounted outside the case.

Then your NOT limited by the internals in the case at all.

Some random links to some units like this:

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/1...per_no_nozzles.html?tl=g30c83s138&id=ti65XSPF

http://www.xoxide.com/silverstone-tundra-td01-silver.html

I'm sure there are other better options, but just to get it out there...
 

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There IS actually another possibility for installing a radiator in in this case. IF there was a closed loop double 40mm fan water cooler out there, there is that space on the back of the case, as can be seen in the picture above, the space full of holes. It can easily fit a double 40mm radiator, giving about 70mm space to the inside for the radiator and fans. But unfortunately as i see there is no such water cooler sold at this time, i just found a custom radiator piece with that size.

So, we have the space above the fan, it is supposed to be able to hold 2 dvd roms. I only use one and although i could possibly install a blu ray drive, because i am thinking of starting to use blue rays for my archival purposes instead of the normal dvds i have been using for many years. But the whole thing will become too heavy and most importantly i already use that space for cable management.

So, thanks to everyone for the help, especially Chas for his interest, i have already ordered the Big Shuriken 2 rev b, see how it goes. I will be happy if i can get up to 70 C at highest settings for the stock 3.6 i7 3820 in some latest games i play and perhaps some 30s-40s in idle.
Then i will turn on Turbo (3.8) and see how it goes. For the future if i see no real results with the Shuriken, i will indeed remove the lower part of the bracket and therefore have many more centimetres to the top of the fan for installing a radiator.

Now that i stick with air cooling, there is a way i think i can improve the air flow. I can add one or two 40mm at that place full of holes in the back to support the two 120mm fans blowing towards the back and exhaling hot air from the PSU right above. Ideally a low speed fan for not much noise. So i have been wondering if there are any rubber type screws for 40mm fans. I have been using them for 80mm fans, but it seems there are no smaller ones for 40mm fans. Anyone knows perhaps?
 
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I don't have SPACE for high end coolers man, don't you get it? Take a look at the pics in the thread, it is a small case. All this talk and confusion makes me want to order the Big Shuriken 2 rev b i have been researching some time ago, fits perfectly in my case and although i won't be likely to see any miracles, i am pretty sure i will have at least a 10 C decrease in idle and load cpu temps from the dusty Intel cooler i have now...








Don't get confused or overexcited, because i believe i have already discussed what you are proposing in this post. So, first of all, there would be an extra 1mm aluminum (bracket) between the radiator and its fan. Is that ok or would it hinder cooling? I am a complete beginner i mean an outsider to water cooling, so i don't know. And this plan goes against what i see in most pictures of closed loops, fan on the case, radiator follows.
So what i am saying, is that i am not an "enthusiast", i mean i am, but only when i have time available. Right now i don't want to experiment, i want sure and safe solutions, to carry on with my damn life without an overheating cpu while playing couple of games in full settings. Its not that much to ask!




You mean the right side of the case? There is NO space, it is the GPU there and lots of cables of course. By that doesn't concern us in our situation.




What are you talking about? I never said i want to remove one of the fans. If i wanted to do that, or to drill screw holes in other parts of the bracket, or cut the bracket, we wouldn't be having this conversation. What i want is to find a way to simply "put", "place" the radiator and its fan in the place of the left fan.





Listen, its really simple. First of all I DONT WANT TO CUT. If i wanted to, sure i would be able to install an espresso maker in there (joke).

What you are discussing is what i have been saying since the beginning. Either fan first or radiator first, no difference, either sideways or with the fittings DOWN. There IS space for both options for the fittings area being either down or to the right between the fans. The problem is the space required for the TANK on the side of the radiator opposite the fittings side. But these can only be done to the left, over the left fan, because the blue thing you see in the pics in front of the right fan is the GTX 670 and there is no space there.

So let me simplify things for you. The measurement goes like this in the width of the case :

5mm case to bracket-120mm(left fan)-25mm(space between fans)-120mm(right fan)-5mm bracket to case


So the fittings with the radiator sideways can easily fit through the space between the fans without any changes or cutting. BUT, i suspect the tank is more than 5 mm, it must be about 10mm and the fittings about 25mm. So the case will not be able to close properly for a few milimetres...

As for vertical placement, the fittings as i have already said fit easily below the bracket, but the tank does not fit in the 3mm space between the fan and the upper bracket.


I am seriously thinking of going with the Big Shuriken 2 rev b and leave the water cooling options for a possible future.




Okay fine.

What you're looking for does NOT exist as a product. And your case isn't built to accommodate pretty much ANY existing AIW products.

If you're trying to completely avoid cutting anything in your case, you're fucked. Period.

Your next best bet would be custom loop. But that gets unbelievably expensive FAST.
And, even there, you're going to have fitment issues.

End of discussion.
 
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