Are Kaby Lake CPUs compatible with Windows 7?

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Since I installed Windows 7 (Pro 64-bit) on a Skylake build, I wanted to know out of curiosity if some people have tried Windows 7 on a Kaby Lake build to see if those CPUs really won't run on Win7.
If want to know what I think of the Intel i3-6100, after receiving it I can say I'm surprised up to now by its performance. I tried running the new Unreal Tournament (still in development) and it ran well at 720p with graphics on low. It's probably the same sort of performance as my main machine which has a Nvidia GT 640 paired with a quad-core Intel i5-4570 (will likely upgrade later to GTX 1050Ti). So, this is a dual core alone without a stand-alone graphics card and it performed as well in my opinion as my quad-core + graphics card. (lol, I might be saving on electricity.)
It's running Windows 7 and the only changes I made to the Gigabyte GA-H170M-D3H BIOS was enable VT-d (for Bluestacks) and Initial Display Output was changed to IGFX (running through the VGA port to an HP 22xw monitor). The front audio panel was a bit confusing to me on this Gigabyte motherboard because the instructions in the manual were kind of brief. And I saw on the back of my Antec VP450 that you can choose either 115V or 240V. But it doesn't say specifically 120V. I let it on 115V but next time I might go with Seasonic like I did in the past which has a variable PSU. (And although my Gigabyte motherboard seems to be working fine I'm also tempted to go with Asus or ASRock in the future because of the more complete instruction manuals.) But, this was just for a backup machine so it looks fine for now. (Build was done with 8GB Kingston HyperX Fury RAM, Coolermaster N300 case, Asus DRW-24 DVD-burner, an old WD hard drive and previously used Coolermaster Gemini M4 CPU heatsink.)
As for running Bluestacks (which is the main reason I built this machine), I tried Musical.ly and it ran the videos fine, even full screen. CPU usage was around 44% to 47%. I imagine it may have been worse if I would have bought a cheap AMD processor. And it might have been even more worse had I not enabled VT-d in the BIOS. So far I'm pretty satisfied. I tried running Snapchat but it kept asking me to provide a phone number to confirm. lol I'm hesitating a bit to do that. It would be cool though if it could connect to your webcam.
 
You know the GT 640 was an under-powered video card when it came out in 2012, right? Was slower than an HD 7750, which was the king of value GPUs at the time, and had the exact same power consumption.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Zotac/GeForce_GT_640/28.html

Why are you surprised IGP from four years later is faster?

If you actually dropped as much cash as you do on new processors on a new video card, you'd be amazed at the performance.

The i3 6100 or that i5 you have already is a very powerful gaming processor, but you're not even getting it started if you don't buy a newer discrete graphics card for it.

And yes, Windows 7 is officially supported by Intel. Otherwise, they wouldn't make this:

https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/25476/Windows-7-USB-3-0-Creator-Utility
 
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And yes, Windows 7 is officially supported by Intel. Otherwise, they wouldn't make this:

https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/25476/Windows-7-USB-3-0-Creator-Utility


https://blogs.windows.com/windowsex...acing-silicon-innovation/#FUm3cHjP6a6x0Vg8.97

Compared to Windows 7 PC’s, Skylake when combined with Windows 10, enables up to 30x better graphics and 3x the battery life – with the unmatched security of Credential Guard utilizing silicon supported virtualization.

We want to help our customers prepare for their Windows 10 upgrade. To do that, we will deliver a list of specific new Skylake devices we will support to run Windows 7 and Windows 8.1.

https://blogs.windows.com/windowsex...acing-silicon-innovation/#FUm3cHjP6a6x0Vg8.97

https://www.google.de/amp/www.zdnet...lake-based-devices/?client=ms-android-samsung


Instead of halting support for Skylake-based Windows 7 and 8.1 in July 2018 -- which was earlier than the normal support cut-off date for Windows 7 and 8.1 on non-Skylake devices -- Microsoft is now going to support fully Skylake-based devices up until the end of the previously stated support cut-off dates


Today's support cut-off changes do not affect devices that will use Intel's upcoming 7th generation Intel Core (Kabylake) and AMD's upcoming Bristol Ridge processors. Those devices, as previously announced, will require the latest release of Windows 10.


That being said

methinks it more about security updates and some advanced features like power saving

and not being unable to run and install it

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obviously one needs to check if manufacturers like Asus provide drivers for newer chipsets like Z270 for Windows 7
 
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Can anyone expand on why Win7 is a lost cause?
Intel basically wanted to stop driver support for anything that wasn't called Windows 10.

I know they have already fucked over Vista 32bit.

It mostly comes down to: no IGP drivers (though Nvidia and AMD are no better at GPU drivers for many older OSes, Win7 64bit should still be relatively well supported), no chipset drivers, no Intel USB3 drivers (and if your board doesn't have the correct USB2.0 mode in the BIOS, then no USB support at all), and no Intel Ethernet support.

However, as noted earlier, my experience is with Vista 32bit, not 7 64bit. But it could, at the very least, boot into Windows and display minimum resolution graphics. That has got to count for something.
 
Unusable for internet connected machines? MS is still patching it. A majority of enterprises still haven't migrated to Windows 10 AFAIK.
they're patching it because they have to
not want to

its on extended support
so will only get security patches, everything else is off the table, at least from Microsoft
like drivers and so on

extended support ends 2020
no updates at all any more from there on


just because many companies have not upgraded to 10 isn't an argument

many still run NT, 200 and XP
just usually not connected to the Internet, at least directly


it might be a challenge getting drivers for z270 on Windows 7
 
Who's arguing?

The statement was it is unusable for internet connected machines. I suppose it depends on the definition of unusable. I figured that implied it is a security risk. Which at least up until 2020 it is not. The majority of the enterprise world still does business on Windows 7 over the internet and I'm not sure it's fair to bring NT, XP, etc. into the picture. Not comparable. They don't get patches any more and haven't for a while.

By the time we (2000 user WAN) finally transition from 7->10 it won't be on thick client desktops. The push now is for VDI.
 
All of the reasons that Intel and Microsoft offer up for not wanting to support Windows 7 on the Kaby Lake platform are nothing more than bullshit start to finish and a push towards forcing consumers and commercial services into purchasing new and not actually necessary hardware and software.

I for one find it rather reprehensible activity on the part of both companies but that's my own take on the situation.

Fuck Intel and Microsoft both for this particular course of action they're traveling partners on and I'll just keep using Windows 7 till my hardware that does support it drops dead I suppose, then I'll move to macOS on a platform of my choosing or Linux.

Oh, and as for the BS reason of "security," nothing is secure and nothing ever will be.
 
I am sure Windows 7 can work great on the internet for people who want to put the work into it. I really meant that for some people like me it's increasingly not a good option. The fact that extended support will end in only three years is one of the biggest reasons.
 
Windows 7 wont have a problem.
Kabylake is the same as Skylake with different default clock speeds.
 
Just ordered an i5 7400 CPU and MSI B250 mobo for my dads new PC. He will be using win 7. MSI has win 7 drivers on their website. That was the first thing I checked, since he's not ready for Win 10 yet.
 
Since I installed Windows 7 (Pro 64-bit) on a Skylake build, I wanted to know out of curiosity if some people have tried Windows 7 on a Kaby Lake build to see if those CPUs really won't run on Win7.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3112...e-zen-chips-will-support-only-windows-10.html

Microsoft is slamming the door on PC builders and upgraders who might have hoped to use the new Intel Kaby Lake or AMD Zen chips for Windows 7 or Windows 8 PCs. Sorry: Both chips are officially supported only by Microsoft’s Windows 10.


Intel basically wanted to stop driver support for anything that wasn't called Windows 10.

I know they have already fucked over Vista 32bit.

It mostly comes down to: no IGP drivers (though Nvidia and AMD are no better at GPU drivers for many older OSes, Win7 64bit should still be relatively well supported), no chipset drivers, no Intel USB3 drivers (and if your board doesn't have the correct USB2.0 mode in the BIOS, then no USB support at all), and no Intel Ethernet support.

However, as noted earlier, my experience is with Vista 32bit, not 7 64bit. But it could, at the very least, boot into Windows and display minimum resolution graphics. That has got to count for something.

It's not Intel in this case.
 
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I get what you are saying about support. "Unusable" for internet is a relative term. Had my Win98se system on the webs downloading AGP drivers earlier today.
 
Who's arguing?

The statement was it is unusable for internet connected machines. I suppose it depends on the definition of unusable. I figured that implied it is a security risk. Which at least up until 2020 it is not. The majority of the enterprise world still does business on Windows 7 over the internet and I'm not sure it's fair to bring NT, XP, etc. into the picture. Not comparable. They don't get patches any more and haven't for a while.

By the time we (2000 user WAN) finally transition from 7->10 it won't be on thick client desktops. The push now is for VDI.

I know a lot of companies that run specialised software that never got updated and runs only on really old OS's
or are too cheap to buy an update for those software stuff

not arguing or flaming at all

however
malware, viruses and drive by attacks are getting more and more elaborate

windows 7 is not very high on the update list

that being said

it would be fine for users on this board, as in they don't click on every email attachment and the like

but again

the newer the hardware, the less likely the driver support becomes
so it would be wise at least securing a windows 10 key while one can
for free
 
Just ordered an i5 7400 CPU and MSI B250 mobo for my dads new PC. He will be using win 7. MSI has win 7 drivers on their website. That was the first thing I checked, since he's not ready for Win 10 yet.

See that's what I was saying somewhere above

gotta check if the vendor offers drivers

that could be more of a problem down the line
but then
CPU's seem to hold like 5 years these days
maybe even more :D


I get what you are saying about support. "Unusable" for internet is a relative term. Had my Win98se system on the webs downloading AGP drivers earlier today.
It's all relative of course :D

for a tech savvy person who doesn't need to click on every add out there, knows what a popup blocker is and what a firewall is it should be fine
 
Just ordered an i5 7400 CPU and MSI B250 mobo for my dads new PC. He will be using win 7. MSI has win 7 drivers on their website. That was the first thing I checked, since he's not ready for Win 10 yet.

Can you say how that build is working out? Is there anything you like about MSI?
 
Can you say how that build is working out? Is there anything you like about MSI?

jBguiR0.jpg


The build came out well. I've always thought MSI made solid boards. And this one is no exception.

In order to install win7 though I had to "slipstream" the USB3 drivers. I use RT7Lite to do drivers and windows updates.
It's not that pretty because there is not a lot of room to hide cables. The case is a Silencio 325. And the sound dampening material prevents me from stuffing too much behind the motherboard.

Build is
MSI B250M PRO-VDH
I5 - 7400
16 GB - Muskin DDR4 2400Mhz
256GB Samsung 850 Evo
Seasonic 350Watt Bronze PSU
Cryorig C7
CM Silencio 325
 
OK, thanks for the pic and reply. I always wondered why the industry seems to be trying "scare tactics" to get you to upgrade your OS. In any case, I know the quad-cores might be better in the long term but I chose an i3-6100 partly because its base speed is 3.7GHz and Bluestacks I read is single-threaded. I don't understand Intel pricing because it's like if you want the same base speed quad-core than their dual-cores, you have to pay way more.
 
OK, thanks for the pic and reply. I always wondered why the industry seems to be trying "scare tactics" to get you to upgrade your OS. In any case, I know the quad-cores might be better in the long term but I chose an i3-6100 partly because its base speed is 3.7GHz and Bluestacks I read is single-threaded. I don't understand Intel pricing because it's like if you want the same base speed quad-core than their dual-cores, you have to pay way more.
no offence intended but you havent been building for long have you?! that has been the norm for years and years. you can get a new kaby Pentium dual core for $100ish, then the i3 kaby 2c/4t for $150 then an i5 4c/4t(no ht) for $200 and a kaby i7 4c/8t for $350 and up and up. you want more cores/performance you pay for it.
 
no offence intended but you havent been building for long have you?! that has been the norm for years and years. you can get a new kaby Pentium dual core for $100ish, then the i3 kaby 2c/4t for $150 then an i5 4c/4t(no ht) for $200 and a kaby i7 4c/8t for $350 and up and up. you want more cores/performance you pay for it.

Maybe I wasn't always paying attention to prices when I went from AMD to Intel years ago. I can say however that if I would have gone Kaby Lake instead of Skylake, I would have paid maybe more than $60 (Canadian dollars) more. I don't know if I stated this already but the AMD CPU I compared to the i3-6100 was 70% slower in single-threaded performance. So I think I made the right choice with the i3-6100 because it was running over 44% playing Musical.ly videos in Bluestacks. With an AMD Athlon X4 845, I'm assuming that CPU usage maybe been way higher.
 
Windows 7 is NOT in extended support. It has regular support up to 2020, in which case it may receive extended support. Windows 10 is just as vulnerable as any other Windows based OS's, when it comes to internet usage. It uses the same exact virus protection as Windows 7. MSE ( Microsoft security essentials) is identical to Windows defender. Windows 10 is more likely to be hacked in the near future, because of the open ports used for data and telemetry gathering.

To answer the OPs question, the answer is yes you can use Windows 7 with Kaby-Lake. The only thing that does not function correctly is the IGP, in which case you have to install an older driver. The driver version for the HD630 is 21.20.16.4508.
 
I've installed XP on a Haswell machine. I'm pretty sure Kaby can run on W7 ;)
 
Windows 7 is NOT in extended support. It has regular support up to 2020, in which case it may receive extended support. Windows 10 is just as vulnerable as any other Windows based OS's, when it comes to internet usage. It uses the same exact virus protection as Windows 7. MSE ( Microsoft security essentials) is identical to Windows defender. Windows 10 is more likely to be hacked in the near future, because of the open ports used for data and telemetry gathering.

To answer the OPs question, the answer is yes you can use Windows 7 with Kaby-Lake. The only thing that does not function correctly is the IGP, in which case you have to install an older driver. The driver version for the HD630 is 21.20.16.4508.

It is in "Extended Support."


https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/13853/windows-lifecycle-fact-sheet

Mainstream Support means "new features and service pack releases, along with security updates."

Extended support means "best effort" security updates. When that ends, the OS is open to hacks.


Microsoft has "officially" closed the door on Kaby Lake on Windows 7:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3112...e-zen-chips-will-support-only-windows-10.html

But that doesn't prevent OEMs from releasing their own drivers and workarounds. Hence why you found 7 drivers for that B250 motherboard, and why Intel still supports the USB utility I linked earlier.

Microsoft has yet to run into issues releasing W7 security updates that conflict with Skylake, but they gave themselves that VERY PUBLIC out, just to cover their ass.
 
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It is in "Extended Support."

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/13853/windows-lifecycle-fact-sheet

Mainstream Support means "new features and service pack releases, along with security updates."

Extended support means "best effort" security updates. When that ends, the OS is open to hacks.


Microsoft has "officially" closed the door on Kaby Lake on Windows 7:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3112...e-zen-chips-will-support-only-windows-10.html

But that doesn't prevent OEMs from releasing their own drivers and workarounds. Hence why you found 7 drivers for that B250 motherboard, and why Intel still supports the USB utility I linked earlier.

Microsoft has yet to run into issues releasing W7 security updates that conflict with Skylake, but they gave themselves that VERY PUBLIC out, just to cover their ass.


I was mistaken about the EOL, however......It does not mean "Extended support means "best effort" security updates. When that ends, the OS is open to hacks." <-------- That is pure misinformation, and borderline scare tactics. As hacking a computer, as is the same with viruses, are 99% user generated, i.e. opening an .exe file that you shouldn't. I have been a PC user for quite some time, and have never been "hacked", and most malware/viruses I have encountered were from my own mistakes. That does NOT make Windows 7 more vulnerable, as any half tech oriented person will attest to.

Quoted from the same aforementioned PC world .....
The confusion here stems from Microsoft's maddeningly obtuse naming conventions. Leaving mainstream support only means that Windows 7 won't be receiving any new features or product tweaks, such as the impressing-sounding DirectX 12 gaming technology . You won't be able to call Microsoft for free help if you run into an issue with Windows 7 either. You'll still receive those oh-so-critical security patches during extended support, meaning that while Windows 7 won't be in active development beyond January, it won't be tossed to the wolves of the Web, either.


The drivers were used in an MSI GS43VR 7RE notebook. Do not know if that is a B250 MB.

Also corporate strong arming (nazi-tactics) that Microsoft has imposed on the OEM's should only frighten people. After all, why is this the first time in history new generations of x86 architecture are NOT backward compatible? Microsoft does not want everyone to move to Windows 10 for security reasons, and if you think that is true, I have some beachfront land in Kansas up for sale? Microsoft is NOT after the secure well being of the user, they are after profit margins, and sales, period.
 
Ok, now I know I shouldn't have bothered responding to the first post, Mr. Trump.

You sure are a master of self-deception, and word smithing. I know I can;'t argue with a wall, so I'm out.
 
Was not trying to insight a full blown argument, it is just very concerning to me to see so many people drinking the Microsoft flavored kool-aid, and to think Microsoft has there best interests at heart. I have been a Microsoft supporter in the past, when I thought they were releasing good products, but lately that has fallen to the wayside, as proven by their actions lately. With forcing Windows 10 on unsuspecting consumers, OEM strong arming, etc.

AMD, Intel, and others are their own private entity, as is Microsoft. When you see one private entity(Microsoft) dictate policy for another private entity (AMD, Intel), for the sole purpose of promoting, and forcing migration to something (Windows 10), that not everyone wants, is simply frightening to me. The said strong arming is not for security purposes either, it is for revenue and profits. It comes down to CHOICE, plain and simple, and when Microsoft takes away your choice to use a product that you PAID for, and is supposed to have support through a given date, then something is wrong with that picture. Windows 8.1 users who purchased it, are supposed to have mainstream support through 2018, yet are not allowed to upgrade to newer model cpu's???? If any of that makes sense, to anyone, then I feel sorry for them. Thanks for your time, and replying.
 
I was mistaken about the EOL, however......It does not mean "Extended support means "best effort" security updates. When that ends, the OS is open to hacks." <-------- That is pure misinformation, and borderline scare tactics. As hacking a computer, as is the same with viruses, are 99% user generated, i.e. opening an .exe file that you shouldn't. I have been a PC user for quite some time, and have never been "hacked", and most malware/viruses I have encountered were from my own mistakes. That does NOT make Windows 7 more vulnerable, as any half tech oriented person will attest to.

Quoted from the same aforementioned PC world .....
The confusion here stems from Microsoft's maddeningly obtuse naming conventions. Leaving mainstream support only means that Windows 7 won't be receiving any new features or product tweaks, such as the impressing-sounding DirectX 12 gaming technology . You won't be able to call Microsoft for free help if you run into an issue with Windows 7 either. You'll still receive those oh-so-critical security patches during extended support, meaning that while Windows 7 won't be in active development beyond January, it won't be tossed to the wolves of the Web, either.


The drivers were used in an MSI GS43VR 7RE notebook. Do not know if that is a B250 MB.

Also corporate strong arming (nazi-tactics) that Microsoft has imposed on the OEM's should only frighten people. After all, why is this the first time in history new generations of x86 architecture are NOT backward compatible? Microsoft does not want everyone to move to Windows 10 for security reasons, and if you think that is true, I have some beachfront land in Kansas up for sale? Microsoft is NOT after the secure well being of the user, they are after profit margins, and sales, period.

I might be interested in your land for sale. Do you have any pictures of the property?
 
After having to roll back to Win 7 to fix my issue with frame drops on a dual monitor setup, I really hope 10 fixes this issue before 2020!
 
I switched over to win10 recently. The telemetry stuff bothers me, but using an enterprise version and some creative internet fixes, I think I've got them all off. As far as look goes, I've got a win7 feel to it now, except for the start menu which I've regulated to the simple alphabetical list, but at least its a familiar layout now. I'm looking forward to the next overhaul in hopes that I can have a win7 style start menu with groupings as the big tile buttons don't suit a mouse kb setup at all.
 
I switched over to win10 recently. The telemetry stuff bothers me, but using an enterprise version and some creative internet fixes, I think I've got them all off. As far as look goes, I've got a win7 feel to it now, except for the start menu which I've regulated to the simple alphabetical list, but at least its a familiar layout now. I'm looking forward to the next overhaul in hopes that I can have a win7 style start menu with groupings as the big tile buttons don't suit a mouse kb setup at all.
Really? This sounds unreal to me. With the BILLIONS of people using computers why doesn't Mircrosoft make Windows 10 in a way that allows people to get to a Windows 7 layout mode with a simple mouse click?
 
Windows 10 is more likely to be hacked in the near future, because of the open ports used for data and telemetry gathering.

Oh really? What ports are those? That accept incoming connections for data and telemetry gathering?
 
Oh really? What ports are those? That accept incoming connections for data and telemetry gathering?

Well unfortunately not much is known exactly how the telemetry system hooks into the kernal and security aspects; meaning it may become compromised in another way so is the secondary attack vector but with more permissions and potentially invisible/more like ring 0 virus/malware.
And by secondary attack I do not necessarily mean opens the port directly for incoming but possibly the redirection of the telemetry to a hackers' server and also then accept compromised incoming code at the point it is communicating with the said server.
I would say there is a lot of interest in trying to identify weaknesses in this system right now.

TBH I am more irritated that all this crap is on the Pro version which costs a fair bit of money and to have greater control you then need the monthly Enterprise upgrade, fucking unbelievable of Microsoft and tbh I think at some point if they are not careful with pushing such a model they may lose more customers down the road as there is a fine line between grudgingly accepted and outright red line.
Their model is perfect to force people into monthly revenue IF one can get access to Enterprise upgrade.

For me Pro version has been seriously lowered in terms of its value with the current business-OS model, especially with how much they bloody charge for it and to have the various crap in it.
Cheers
 
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Yeah,
last modern CPU to have compatibility and MS updates might be Skylake-X and that is not a guarantee as seems information on it can be yes supported by Microsoft and others say no.

Cheers
 
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