Apple M2 enters mass production

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We also had some silly illegal US sanctions cause a run on fab space for 6 months as well. Huawei ordered 2 years worth of chips for production in a 3 month span before they could no longer order any. They gave their Chinese fab 2 or so years to catch up before they run out of stock.

People forget that a major player (20% market share by some estimates) just paid to put everyone else at TMSC on hold for 3 months at least so they could run 2 years worth of supply. So basically huawei had TMSC fab 50% of the WORLDS yearly smart phone chip supply so they could put them in a warehouse beside their phone factory.

So I would say thank Trump... but lets be honest it wouldn't have mattered much who was in the big office punishing China for daring to compete is part of the master plan. But it did help cause a world wide shortage on everything else. The chinese paid TMSC a metric fuck ton of cash to basically take over every fab line they could get while they could.
What China does is NOT compete on a level playing field, but you already knew that, didn't you? Are we just supposed to turn a blind eye to how they operate?
 

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You can buy a similarly configured 13" HP laptop for literally half the price. That is how ridiculous Apple's pricing is. So you're not even compromising in buying something cheaper that you can actually upgrade.
Really? Show me any HP that costs $500, heck, I'll give you parity, that costs $1000 that can compete with an M1 Macbook Air in terms of performance, battery life, display quality, microphones, build quality, and materials?
I'll gladly wait all day for you to produce benchmarks, display tests, battery tests, etc. And this would be despite the HP presumably having "twice the RAM" and a "discrete graphics card".
 

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Really? Show me any HP that costs $500, heck, I'll give you parity, that costs $1000 that can compete with an M1 Macbook Air in terms of performance, battery life, display quality, microphones, build quality, and materials?
I'll gladly wait all day for you to produce benchmarks, display tests, battery tests, etc. And this would be despite the HP presumably having "twice the RAM" and a "discrete graphics card".
can you show us a $500 macbook with an M1? benchmarks are cherry picked and limited, display is hit or miss based on the model, the mic/cam suck ass, build quality is ok but plenty have alu now. oh and having outlook, chrome and a zoom session with 30+ will bring these magical M1s to their knees, we have dozen of requests for "a different device, that can handle our work load" since we deployed M1s...
 

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What China does is NOT compete on a level playing field, but you already knew that, didn't you? Are we just supposed to turn a blind eye to how they operate?
Its not much different from how US corps run around the world for decades.

I am not an American... I have watched US corporations destroy Canadian business and generally rape and pillage for years. The best is when US corps come in destroy and entire industry... to the point the only player left is a whole owned subsidiary then they close em and ship the jobs somewhere else. (and brain drain the locals... if you want any sort of tech job as a Canadian these days you pretty much end up having to move south. so ya the Americans don't steal your patents they just force you out of business buy them on the cheap when your desperate and hire all the brains that developed them and move them south) The only difference today is its US companies on the receiving end of some fuckery. I haven't read about anything huawei is supposed to have done that sounds like anything American companies haven't been doing for years. I mean mostly the US seems mad that they ignored illegal US sanctions. (seriously the UN says they are invalid sanctions to begin with) Canada has been holding a huawei exec for months and I really have to wonder why our moron gov is doing so.... what the US wants to charge her with isn't even legal internationally.
 
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can you show us a $500 macbook with an M1?
#1 the challenge that was given was that a $500 HP bests an M1. Out of charity I said prove it and you can spend the same amount. Perhaps you’re not capable of reading quotes or you have Armenius blocked. Either way, not my problem.

I have no interest playing move the posts around for every person that shows up. Either respond to the givens or move on.
benchmarks are cherry picked and limited,
#2 here is your chance to set the record straight. Get your $500 or $1000 laptop and show us.

Something tells me you’re going to have to cherry pick a lot harder to show me where an M1 loses to a $500 or even $1000 HP.
display is hit or miss based on the model,
On M1 they are all the same.
the mic/cam suck ass,
Okay and reveal the $500 machine that is better.
build quality is ok but plenty have alu now.
Kay.
oh and having outlook, chrome and a zoom session with 30+ will bring these magical M1s to their knees, we have dozen of requests for "a different device, that can handle our work load" since we deployed M1s...
#3 Sounds like an M1 optimization issue far more than an M1 issue. It’s known that there was/will be software growing pains as companies have to move to another ISA. No surprise that Zoom and Microsoft are behind. Frankly it’s a minor miracle that Adobe got their ass in gear and are currently in beta for the Adobe suite.

But bad on you and your IT for deploying and not testing. Especially for things that are inside of your day to day.
 
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#1 the challenge that was given was that a $500 HP bests an M1. Out of charity I said prove it and you can spend the same amount. Perhaps you’re not capable of reading quotes or you have Armenius blocked. Either way, not my problem.

I have no interest playing move the posts around for every person that shows up. Either respond to the givens or move on.

#2 here is your chance to set the record straight. Get your $500 or $1000 laptop and show us.

Something tells me you’re going to have to cherry pick a lot harder to show me where an M1 loses to a $500 or even $1000 HP.


On M1 they are all the same.

Okay and reveal the $500 machine that is better.

Kay.

#3 Sounds like an M1 optimization issue far more than an M1 issue. It’s known that there was/will be software growing pains as companies have to move to another ISA. No surprise that Zoom and Microsoft are behind. Frankly it’s a minor miracle that Adobe got their ass in gear and are currently in beta for the Adobe suite.

But bad on you and your IT for deploying and not testing. Especially for things that are inside of your day to day.
we've covered all this in the M1 thread.
blah blah blah
both are and they(m1) runs like shit for multitasking.
underlined part; no not me, i got laughed at by the idoits when i said it would be best to hold off. its been nothing but a pain in the ass for us.
 

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we've covered all this in the M1 thread.
blah blah blah
both are and they(m1) runs like shit for multitasking.
underlined part; no not me, i got laughed at by the idoits when i said it would be best to hold off. its been nothing but a pain in the ass for us.
That really depends what you mean by multi tasking. I have seen M1 in audio applications run 1,000s of plugins at the same time and not bog down... the UI everything is still responsive even calculating 100s of sound reflections ect.

The few things I have seen showing it doesn't multi task well seem to be more about x86 emulation. It seems the translated stuff uses the chips cache differently, and if you do try and multi a bunch of native and translated stuff it does hurt performance more then running all native or all translated.
 

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#1 the challenge that was given was that a $500 HP bests an M1. Out of charity I said prove it and you can spend the same amount. Perhaps you’re not capable of reading quotes or you have Armenius blocked. Either way, not my problem.

I have no interest playing move the posts around for every person that shows up. Either respond to the givens or move on.

#2 here is your chance to set the record straight. Get your $500 or $1000 laptop and show us.

Something tells me you’re going to have to cherry pick a lot harder to show me where an M1 loses to a $500 or even $1000 HP.

On M1 they are all the same.

Okay and reveal the $500 machine that is better.

Kay.

#3 Sounds like an M1 optimization issue far more than an M1 issue. It’s known that there was/will be software growing pains as companies have to move to another ISA. No surprise that Zoom and Microsoft are behind. Frankly it’s a minor miracle that Adobe got their ass in gear and are currently in beta for the Adobe suite.

But bad on you and your IT for deploying and not testing. Especially for things that are inside of your day to day.
Our admin staff are running M1’s and spend all day in Outlook, Zoom, Teams, and Hangouts with 60+ participants and those little M1’s don’t so much as stutter. While dealing with multiple Excel sheets that spread out into the 70MB range depending on the report. Power BI, and Adobe. Usually all running at once because I swear none of them actually know how to close an application.

The only consistent issue we’ve come across is using USB-C monitors when the unit charging causes the monitor to disconnect if you plug it in before the power cord. So you must plug in the power first then the monitor as they move around from their desks to various other locations.
A minor issue but they don’t let me forget it exists.
 

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That really depends what you mean by multi tasking. I have seen M1 in audio applications run 1,000s of plugins at the same time and not bog down... the UI everything is still responsive even calculating 100s of sound reflections ect.

The few things I have seen showing it doesn't multi task well seem to be more about x86 emulation. It seems the translated stuff uses the chips cache differently, and if you do try and multi a bunch of native and translated stuff it does hurt performance more then running all native or all translated.
i already said what i meant.
remember when apple said rosetta would be invisible?
 

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i already said what i meant.
remember when apple said rosetta would be invisible?
I'm not excusing issues... just pointing out it appears to be more about memory caching differences. I don't know if that can be fixed in software or not. I am also not sure it really matters all that much frankly. M1 isn't being sold to anyone that should be hard core multi tasking anyway. People talk about multi tasking but I don't understand frankly. I very rarely ever have more then 2 things really running. If I'm using X or Y software that is normally what I'm doing. I'm not going to leave Logic Pro running while I'm using photoshop or something. I mean really who does that sort of stuff. If I have 2 or 3 things running they are related.... perhaps that is just me. 99% of people that would be in the market for a current M1 will have at most a browser open along with whatever there doing.

I will agree with you in that Apple needs to either adjust a bit for that in software or hardware for when a M2 type chip goes into a more expensive Apple device aimed at professional Apple people. Right now I know a few Apple music studios ect that have played around with M1 but no one I know anyway is replacing their old setups just yet. When they get ready to push those mac pros out it would be best for them if they do smooth rosettes juggling a bit. (and if they just double the core count perhaps nothing else needs to change anyway) But for the lite multi tasking the users in the markets current M1 stuff is aimed at (low end laptops and imacs) M1 multi tasking isn't actually worse then comparable x86 chips. It will be when they get to the point of selling M2 and Mac Pros where the x86 competition is running things like Threadrippers that they better shore that stuff up a bit more.
 

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"Feel free to open a ticket with Apple."

Yeah, I know you can't say that.
As an education customer I can and have, it’s supposedly a known issue and they hope to have it patched in an OSX update coming shortly. It’s a strange thing to have access to a dedicated support team in these times but Apple does for its education clients.
 

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can you show us a $500 macbook with an M1? benchmarks are cherry picked and limited, display is hit or miss based on the model, the mic/cam suck ass, build quality is ok but plenty have alu now. oh and having outlook, chrome and a zoom session with 30+ will bring these magical M1s to their knees, we have dozen of requests for "a different device, that can handle our work load" since we deployed M1s...


Seems like the M1 is crushing the competition almost all-around.
Not saying you are wrong, it's just that running Chrome (assuming under 30 tabs) and a Zoom session with 30+ people would hardly burn through 16GB RAM, and even an old Sandy Bridge 2nd-gen dual-core Intel i3 CPU could handle that load easily, let alone an 8-core M1.

It really seems like something else is going on with with those M1's that were deployed; perhaps poor Internet/WAN/LAN connectivity or high latency?
 
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we've covered all this in the M1 thread.
blah blah blah
both are and they(m1) runs like shit for multitasking.
Lmao, that is hilariously wrong.

My M1 Macbook pro typically runs 20-30 tabs in Brave, messenger, messages, slack, zoom, webex, excel, word, lightroom classic, photoshop, premiere pro, fusion 360, and cura all open at the same time. Night and day faster than my maxed out Intel macbook in every single way, and I can't tell the difference between my 9900k desktop and it. The only machine I have that multitasks better is my 3990x. This damn thing actually runs Fusion 360 faster through X86 emulation than Intel based laptops do natively. Premiere Pro native beta export times are just hilarious, within 10% of my overclocked 9900k system. In a laptop where the fan never spins.

The M2 is going to annihilate every single mobile chip, and 90% of desktop X86 chips.
 
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where did i mention a macbook pro? all i said was m1, ours are air and they are crap whether you think so or not, its based on our experience for our work loads.
 

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where did i mention a macbook pro? all i said was m1, ours are air and they are crap whether you think so or not, its based on our experience for our work loads.
Aside from Chrome and Zoom, what are your users' workloads, even just in general?
I'm not contesting you, or what you are saying, just trying to understand how the M1 is behaving with what your users are trying to run and operate. :)
 

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Most Apple customers are not looking to upgrade parts after purchasing one of their products, so the majority of their customer-base isn't effected by this.
Thats good and all, but my perspective is as a tech enthusiast, which we all are on a forum like this.
apple sets those prices because they can, since there is no competition + most of their customers probably (as you say) never upgrade or (probably) have no clue about actual component prices.
So looking at it as an enthusiast, it is a bitter pill for me though b/c if you could d-i-y then that same $200 can get you.... a 2TB SSD these days
an extra 8Gb of ram isn't $200 (even though prices are slowly creeping back up again)
if apple offered fair value for that + $400 it would be another story.
 

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Aside from Chrome and Zoom, what are your users' workloads, even just in general?
I'm not contesting you, or what you are saying, just trying to understand how the M1 is behaving with what your users are trying to run and operate. :)
office, teams, several online sites, zoom, smartboards, and god knows what else the teachers decide to use. it doesnt take much to run down the M1 airs, enough that we have dozens of requests to replace the new M1s with something better. and that doesnt even bring the dongle/adapter issue into play, which could be another thread...
 

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Thats good and all, but my perspective is as a tech enthusiast, which we all are on a forum like this.
apple sets those prices because they can, since there is no competition + most of their customers probably (as you say) never upgrade or (probably) have no clue about actual component prices.
So looking at it as an enthusiast, it is a bitter pill for me though b/c if you could d-i-y then that same $200 can get you.... a 2TB SSD these days
an extra 8Gb of ram isn't $200 (even though prices are slowly creeping back up again)
if apple offered fair value for that + $400 it would be another story.
Aas Kyle always says, vote with your wallet. (y)
While I do agree with you, no one is forcing you to purchase Apple computer systems - unless of course you are suffering from vendor lock-in, in which case you have my sincere condolences.

Corporatism isn't a good thing, like what we are seeing here and with other OEMs, unless of course one is enjoying the current megacorps and dark cyberpunk future/present situation the world has found itself in. :borg:
 

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I won't speak to their system pricing. That's a thing all it's own.

But their CPU division and what they are putting out, well, as someone with a little experience there, I'll say... crikey.
Dismissing them would be quite a mistake.
 

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Thats good and all, but my perspective is as a tech enthusiast, which we all are on a forum like this.
Yes - but perhaps not as you would assume to describe them. I think there are different types of enthusiasts. And people that have very different end goals. I've been on a Mac since 2008 after building my own computers for a long time before that (well over 10 years) and I would still consider myself an enthusiast.
The difference there is about what part of computers I'm "enthusiastic" about.
If we were to compare this to another hobby, let's go with cars, since that's done all the time, this is akin to someone buying a Porsche GT3, leaving it stock and enjoying the car as it comes. Liking its lines, speed, handling, etc. "Value for money" wise it's terrible. When compared to say a Corvette that a "modifier enthusiast" straps a twin turbo bolt-on kit to.
Even in days past it could be argued that a PC could be built for less money than a Mac. But at least in this way Porsches and Macs are very similar. It's about the package, experience, and a host of other features and not just sheer speed or "value for money". There are things you'll never get on a PC or a Corvette that you would on the other side.

The annoying thing is most PC users can understand this about cars but will continually, perhaps intentionally ignore this when it comes to computers. If everything is about value for money then screw and car that costs more than $20k. Just buy something for less and modify it as much as you want until it goes as fast as you want. But it turns out there are other things that people like about computers just like there are other things that people like about cars. Apparently though if you like those other features about computers "you're dumb" or some other analogous insult, which I've more or less been hearing since forever.
apple sets those prices because they can, since there is no competition + most of their customers probably (as you say) never upgrade or (probably) have no clue about actual component prices.
So looking at it as an enthusiast, it is a bitter pill for me though b/c if you could d-i-y then that same $200 can get you.... a 2TB SSD these days
an extra 8Gb of ram isn't $200 (even though prices are slowly creeping back up again)
if apple offered fair value for that + $400 it would be another story.
So, to that end as explained above there is greater markup yes, that could be argued as being "worse value". But it literally plays out exactly like the same car scenario above.
I guess Lamborghini will never make sense to you because you could get a car that has 500 HP for 1/5th the cost. So clearly there is more than just HP to the car equation. It's not as if Lamborghini is anything special. It has a chassis, an engine, a transmission, etc like any other car. Unless you subscribe to, and understand, that a Lamborgini or Porsche is more than simply the sum of its parts - and they’re more than simply a spec sheet.

As I described in an earlier post the M1 is truly a unique product. The RAM is literally a part of the SOC. Even if you don't subscribe to "OEM level pricing”, how exactly would the RAM be upgrade-able, from a literal perspective? It's not just soldered on; it's part of the processor.

And to that end again with the pricing, Apple offers 1 year of Apple care. Which, again you may or may not agree with, but a good amount of margin goes into things like support as well. There is more overhead that goes into a Mac. The point is, there is more to a Mac than just "this part costs 'this' much".

Mac's feel like a treat. They're designed for their clients to enjoy every aspect of their products. Which is very similar to why a lot of "non-upgrade" enthusiasts buy Porsches. If the twin-turbo C5 Corvette is more your speed, fine. I'm just trying to point out there is more to the equation than straight value for money. And quibbling about the way Apple does things makes just as much sense as quibbling about any other premium priced product in any other market. Which is to say its a waste of time and energy.

If you'll never buy a Mac, that's fine. There is no single product on this Earth that is for everyone. We'd probably cut down on 85% of our discussions on all forums (not just this one) if we simply were 'okay' with other people liking other things than we do.
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Yes - but perhaps not as you would assume to describe them. I think there are different types of enthusiasts. And people that have very different end goals. I've been on a Mac since 2008 after building my own computers for a long time before that (well over 10 years) and I would still consider myself an enthusiast.
The difference there is about what part of computers I'm "enthusiastic" about.
If we were to compare this to another hobby, let's go with cars, since that's done all the time, this is akin to someone buying a Porsche GT3, leaving it stock and enjoying the car as it comes. Liking its lines, speed, handling, etc. "Value for money" wise it's terrible. When compared to say a Corvette that a "modifier enthusiast" straps a twin turbo bolt-on kit to.
Even in days past it could be argued that a PC could be built for less money than a Mac. But at least in this way Porsches and Macs are very similar. It's about the package, experience, and a host of other features and not just sheer speed or "value for money". There are things you'll never get on a PC or a Corvette that you would on the other side.

The annoying thing is most PC users can understand this about cars but will continually, perhaps intentionally ignore this when it comes to computers. If everything is about value for money then screw and car that costs more than $20k. Just buy something for less and modify it as much as you want until it goes as fast as you want. But it turns out there are other things that people like about computers just like there are other things that people like about cars. Apparently though if you like those other features about computers "you're dumb" or some other analogous insult, which I've more or less been hearing since forever.

So, to that end as explained above there is greater markup yes, that could be argued as being "worse value". But it literally plays out exactly like the same car scenario above.
I guess Lamborghini will never make sense to you because you could get a car that has 500 HP for 1/5th the cost. So clearly there is more than just HP to the car equation. It's not as if Lamborghini is anything special. It has a chassis, an engine, a transmission, etc like any other car. Unless you subscribe to, and understand, that a Lamborgini or Porsche is more than simply the sum of its parts - and they’re more than simply a spec sheet.

As I described in an earlier post the M1 is truly a unique product. The RAM is literally a part of the SOC. Even if you don't subscribe to "OEM level pricing”, how exactly would the RAM be upgrade-able, from a literal perspective? It's not just soldered on; it's part of the processor.

And to that end again with the pricing, Apple offers 1 year of Apple care. Which, again you may or may not agree with, but a good amount of margin goes into things like support as well. There is more overhead that goes into a Mac. The point is, there is more to a Mac than just "this part costs 'this' much".

Mac's feel like a treat. They're designed for their clients to enjoy every aspect of their products. Which is very similar to why a lot of "non-upgrade" enthusiasts buy Porsches. If the twin-turbo C5 Corvette is more your speed, fine. I'm just trying to point out there is more to the equation than straight value for money. And quibbling about the way Apple does things makes just as much sense as quibbling about any other premium priced product in any other market. Which is to say its a waste of time and energy.

If you'll never buy a Mac, that's fine. There is no single product on this Earth that is for everyone. We'd probably cut down on 85% of our discussions on all forums (not just this one) if we simply were 'okay' with other people liking other things than we do.
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I can't wait to see the arguments of windows users when the M2/M3/M4 run circles around anything available in a PC laptop:

"Apple is so lame, they charge $1000 for a laptop that is three times faster than a $3000 PC workstation. It's total bullshit that I can't plug in an ISDN modem without a dongle, what is Apple even thinking? I'll never buy one; I can't open it up and upgrade it with 256mb of rdram. Yeah, Apple silicon is 3x faster than the fastest available PC laptop for 1/3rd the price, but walled garden or something so I'll pass."
 

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How's it run, say, SQL Server?
Probably like garbage, not because of the M1 SoC, but because of the known latency issue with MacOS and OS X.
There is a reason Apple no longer sells XServe servers (or any servers) as of 2009, and MacOS has not changed significantly with the OS and kernel architecture since the days of OS X.

Assuming other *NIX operating systems will eventually become operational on the M1 hardware, it will be interesting to see how it performs with SQL Server and other enterprise databases and applications at that point.
 

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Lmao, that is hilariously wrong.

My M1 Macbook pro typically runs 20-30 tabs in Brave, messenger, messages, slack, zoom, webex, excel, word, lightroom classic, photoshop, premiere pro, fusion 360, and cura all open at the same time. Night and day faster than my maxed out Intel macbook in every single way, and I can't tell the difference between my 9900k desktop and it. The only machine I have that multitasks better is my 3990x. This damn thing actually runs Fusion 360 faster through X86 emulation than Intel based laptops do natively. Premiere Pro native beta export times are just hilarious, within 10% of my overclocked 9900k system. In a laptop where the fan never spins.

The M2 is going to annihilate every single mobile chip, and 90% of desktop X86 chips.
Yeah, I'm starting to think the 27" iMac in my sig that has every spec topped out was a waste of money.

My M1 Air is ridiculously fast. For light home use (3D printing, slowly learning hobby CAD design, and astrophotography) the Apple silicon is every bit as fast as an i7 desktop class CPU.
 

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Yeah, I'm starting to think the 27" iMac in my sig that has every spec topped out was a waste of money.

My M1 Air is ridiculously fast. For light home use (3D printing, slowly learning hobby CAD design, and astrophotography) the Apple silicon is every bit as fast as an i7 desktop class CPU.
As amazing as this is, it really is true.
In SMP, the M1 slightly edges out an AMD Zen+ 2700 8-core @ 3.2GHz (65 watt TDP), and an Intel i7 8086K 6-core @ 4.0GHz (95 watt TDP), all while the M1 has a ~15 watt TDP, at least in synthetic benchmarks.

That might be a rough guideline, but it is still very impressive considering the competition.
It will be interesting to see how far the M2 will push the competition on x86-64 CPUs, and other ARM CPUs.
 

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There is a reason Apple no longer sells XServe servers (or any servers) as of 2009, and MacOS has not changed significantly with the OS and kernel architecture since the days of OS X.
That isn't my understanding of the situation.

Basically the X-Serve was a product that didn't really sell particularly well - especially in consideration of their total bottom line, less than a fraction of a single percent, all the way back in 2009. And it was coupled with the fact that Apple wanted X-Serve to be a product that was also fully supported by Apple at the enterprise level - meaning expensive service contracts: expensive to sell, but also expensive for Apple to maintain. And again as a product that didn't sell well and didn't add significantly to their bottom line, they nixed it.
However, the server version of macOS has been available since then. And there are admins that still prefer to work with Apple hardware to do server duty even though it's often not with server grade hardware. There were brackets made for the 2009-2012 Mac Pro. There was a rather hilarious sideways mounting system for the cylinder. And there is also a multi-rack made for Mac Mini's. Apple themselves sells a rack version of the new/current Mac Pro.

While I have no commentary on how fast macOS server does with different workloads: I can say with certainty that there are those that are still working with Macs in server environments today. In fact I know a server admin at a fairly well known University that still uses Mac Server for all of their Mac deployments.

Side commentary: I haven't brought this up on the forum, but I'm thinking Apple is actually uniquely positioned to re-enter the server market. If they can make a competitor to Amazon's Graviton Systems but sell them to everyone, they'll have a big market to sell to. The big question of course will be how well its OS works in the server environment. Or alternatively they could enter the web service world and never sell those processors but do what Amazon does and pickup hosting and service contracts for continuous income.
Apple isn't stupid. I'm 100% sure they have at least thought of these things. I'm uncertain though if they feel like they want to make it a part of their core strategies or not as they diversify their income streams.
 
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we've covered all this in the M1 thread.
blah blah blah
both are and they(m1) runs like shit for multitasking.
underlined part; no not me, i got laughed at by the idoits when i said it would be best to hold off. its been nothing but a pain in the ass for us.
Still waiting on that $500 HP....The M1 I have has no issues multitasking at all. You are the one being laughed at.
 

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You are the one that brought it up, so you are the one that needs to prove your point.
It was UnkownSouljer who brought it up, specifically with that price point, in response to Armenius.
I don't think anyone is going to find a $500 anything that will compete with even the lowest-tier M1 configuration, considering in the video I posted above the M1 is dominating very decent Intel and AMD Surface configurations.

At the price point that the M1 is being sold for, it is basically unmatched in performance.
 

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It was UnkownSouljer who brought it up, specifically with that price point, in response to Armenius.
I don't think anyone is going to find a $500 anything that will compete with even the lowest-tier M1 configuration, considering in the video I posted above the M1 is dominating very decent Intel and AMD Surface configurations.

At the price point that the M1 is being sold for, it is basically unmatched in performance.
Little louder for those in the back.
 

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Yeah, he was the one that mentioned it, but the person I was replying too also mentioned it.
It was UnkownSouljer who brought it up, specifically with that price point, in response to Armenius.
I don't think anyone is going to find a $500 anything that will compete with even the lowest-tier M1 configuration, considering in the video I posted above the M1 is dominating very decent Intel and AMD Surface configurations.

At the price point that the M1 is being sold for, it is basically unmatched in performance.
 

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You can buy a similarly configured 13" HP laptop for literally half the price. That is how ridiculous Apple's pricing is. So you're not even compromising in buying something cheaper that you can actually upgrade.
Edit: stupid mobile page jumping around...

This was the OP. A reply was made asking him to actually provide an HP for half the price, OR a similarly priced HP with the same performance.

Then, others joined in, but ignored half the conversation to suit their...well I don't know why, but they did for whatever reason.
 

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Then, others joined in, but ignored half the conversation to suit their...well I don't know why, but they did for whatever reason.
oh like youre doing now....

he could have gone back and re-read what was typed, he clearly didnt.


on topic, hopefully the M2 is better in the airs.
 

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oh like youre doing now....

he could have gone back and re-read what was typed, he clearly didnt.


on topic, hopefully the M2 is better in the airs.
No, I recognize that the premise was you can buy parts to make it similarly specced. He didn't do that either.
 

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