Apple 'Failing To Protect Chinese Factory Workers'

[Worldhammer]

WWJD?

 

[Ponder]

You do realize that $1500 is $1500 whether you earn $40,000 a year or $200,000+ right? Just because you make more money doesn't magically make higher prices for something instantly more palatable. It has the very same value, you just happen to have more of it.

Actually to most consumers it does...(discussing price palatability)

Assume this is after tax earnings...75 hours versus 15 hours of work. If you earn more ...higher prices tend to feel palatable as one tends to see value in relation to how much effort is required to earn its cost. Yes 1500 from both buys the same amount of Goods but we are talking about price perception.

 

[JeffDC]

Bring back tariffs.
Jack it back up to 42% instead of the current measly 1.2% it is.
Bring back manufacturing jobs.
Lower income taxes so we can afford the things we make.

Problem is it would never work.
Big companies bribe, err, lobby politicians to keep tariffs low because labor is cheaper and profit margins are higher so the rich keep getting richer, the poor keep getting poorer and the middle class ceases to exist.

Tariffs don't work with Communist countries, as every U.S. president before Nixon understood. In fact Nixon understood it too, he just didn't care. Nor did his successor, who spent eight years lying through his fake traitor teeth about the ability of capitalism to compete with socialism and even Communism. His exact claim was that America's workers can compete with anyone's. Look up the speeches if you're too young to have suffered through them first-hand, like I did.

As to your other claim, our current situation is self-correcting: thanks to outright treason by both of our major parties our Treasury is now being emptied to Communists, our annual trade deficit just with China is over $1 trillion, and the only eventual outcome is bankruptcy of our federal government. At some point, already $19 trillion in debt and only getting worse every year, the world will decide that we pay ourselves with Monopoly money. Because since Nixon finished burying our gold standard in 1971 that's precisely what we've been doing. The final basis for our currency and those of most Western nations are dictated by Beijing, since they are the only major trading partner that dictates the value of their currency. If you've ever seen footage of summits between a U.S. president and Communist Chinese premier since Reagan, just from the body language alone there is absolutely no question who the boss is. And we can thank Nixon, Reagan and more relevantly the coattails of Reagan, which still spew their treason daily on Fox News via Roger Ailes, Karl Rove and others.

 

[invinciblegod]

Those are jobs that teenagers and young people need to take in order to learn to work, and then move forward to something more valuable. These people keep these low end jobs, refusing to get educated, get the skills, and move on, so the kids aren't learning to work and are having a hard time getting hired.

What evidence is there that there are enough jobs for everyone to "upgrade" to? You say the people who work minimum wage are "refusing to get educated" (classic blaming) and don't realize how it would be almost impossible to make time to actually go to school when low end jobs are the ones that usually have stupid working hours, how to actually pay for it (and crushing student loans is its own problem), and how there is actually no guarantee to find a good job when you graduate (as many graduates can attest). Then if they all somehow get educated and have the capability to get a better job, with these new millions of new graduates, where would the jobs come from? As can be evidenced by the very high paying pharmacist bubble (talked about here), the answer is they go unemployed.

 

[invinciblegod]

You do realize that $1500 is $1500 whether you earn $40,000 a year or $200,000+ right? Just because you make more money doesn't magically make higher prices for something instantly more palatable. It has the very same value, you just happen to have more of it.

If that is the case, first class tickets will never sell. Why would anyone pay 30x more than economy to travel somewhere? Wait, the answer is if money has almost no value to you because with the millions a $15,000 ticket vs a $1000 ticket is the equivalent as normal people deciding if a $5 burger is better than a $1 burger.

 

[Romale23]

What evidence is there that there are enough jobs for everyone to "upgrade" to? You say the people who work minimum wage are "refusing to get educated" (classic blaming) and don't realize how it would be almost impossible to make time to actually go to school when low end jobs are the ones that usually have stupid working hours, how to actually pay for it (and crushing student loans is its own problem), and how there is actually no guarantee to find a good job when you graduate (as many graduates can attest). Then if they all somehow get educated and have the capability to get a better job, with these new millions of new graduates, where would the jobs come from? As can be evidenced by the very high paying pharmacist bubble (talked about here), the answer is they go unemployed.

I still don't think it's that hard. I think its a matter of drive, desire, sacrifice, long term thinking and planning. Basically everything the poor are usually lacking and dont have daddy's money to make up for it. You can get a degree for free and if you don't, your not trying. Hours arguement doesn't matter there are online schools now. Hell, there is a shortage of truck drivers, electricians, plumbers, hvac people. Hell i know a couple that drive trucks that clear 250k a year. A job is an mean to an end. I'm one of those faggots that went from my entire family living in a basement on welfare to 6 figure income and incurred zero debt doing it so i might be overly critical. There are a zillion programs out there to help you. I think the biggest issue most people have is they help you, not do it for you. And your degree doesn't matter. The .net developer in my department has a fine arts degree. The business analyst is a math major not a business major. My boss has a degree in American History. One thing i've discovered is most people don't understand one fundamental. When it comes to making money: what you want and think matters exactly 0 fucks. Once you get over that you can make money. The biggest problem i've seen with college grads getting jobs right now is they think they are going to waltz into a 100k job and took out loans accordingly because they dont understand a degree without experience isn't worth much, its what you need to get there though . Reality is you have to start at the low rung just like every else. My significant other graduated 6 years ago right at the height of things going to shit. Her first job was making 32k a year a unisource. She was hired because she was the only women who actually wore pantihose under her skirt. (This goes back to my point what you think doesn't fucking matter) Now she makes just shy of six figures because she got that experience with unisource which she then leveraged to work for comcast and then another telecom job and now she does logistics. She has a degree in business administration and got hired at her latest job because she taught herself sql. This is what it takes. Some people get lucky and do it on less, but their lucky. It is harder for the poor, but it always will be harder for the poor because they are less likely to have parents actually parent them on how to behave and live and right and wrong. What compounding interest is and that short cuts usually don't work.