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Wow. I did not expect that.

This has been so insanely profitable for them, and the legal complaints were on such thin standing that I expected them to go scorched earth on the topic.
 

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#EquallyShocked

EDIT: Just realized that Microsoft's game streaming service is about to increase exponentially........which is good because post-divorce I heard that Bill could no longer continue with his plans to purchase the Moon........maybe this turns that luck around for him. Microsoft...always winning the Apple wars......
 
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Who was it that was going to war with them? Epic game store? I guess that's what brought this about or was there another game company, store that was fighting with them?
I wonder if it was going to be to expensive to continue or maybe public opinion wasn't in their favor?
 

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Wow. I did not expect that.

This has been so insanely profitable for them, and the legal complaints were on such thin standing that I expected them to go scorched earth on the topic.

If you read past the headline, this isn't a response to Apple v. Epic, and Apple doesn't seem to actually be conceding much. In fact Epic legal counsel is already complaining about it because they seem to realize it's a smart chess move: make it seem like you conceded something to take the wind out of the other lawsuit(s). The distance to Epic's idea of an EGS store icon appearing on iPhone home screens probably just increased by another universe-length.

Onnn the other hand, Elon makes a point:

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Honestly, Apple is hurting from all the dirt coming out in the Epic suit. It's surprising they tried to make the first move, but I don't think Epic is giving up.

I mean, this is a great change but I will wait until the Apple v. Epic concludes to see if they can make some real legislation.
 

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If you read past the headline, this isn't a response to Apple v. Epic, and Apple doesn't seem to actually be conceding much. In fact Epic legal counsel is already complaining about it because they seem to realize it's a smart chess move: make it seem like you conceded something to take the wind out of the other lawsuit(s). The distance to Epic's idea of an EGS store icon appearing on iPhone home screens probably just increased by another universe-length.

Onnn the other hand, Elon makes a point:

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I seem to have no issue using the internet without paying any of this defacto tax. Buy my book and I'll show you how in 600 pages (3 words).
 

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It's definitely a strategic move by Apple. It blunts Epic's case without hurting Apple's bottom line too much, since it still stands to make a lot of revenue both from the App Store and through services like Apple Music and TV+.

At the same time, it's definitely good for customers. I'm sure some would love it if Apple simply allowed sideloading, but I can't see it doing that without requiring Developer ID signings (so that it can block malicious apps).
 

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I seem to have no issue using the internet without paying any of this defacto tax. Buy my book and I'll show you how in 600 pages (3 words).
"Pay Google instead"?
"Pay Amazon instead"?
"Torrents go BRRRR"?
 

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Download Torrents, you get the Malware Tax instead (maybe they be running crypto mining on your machine, probably make more money than it would cost for you to just have bought the Blu-Ray).
 

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Download Torrents, you get the Malware Tax instead (maybe they be running crypto mining on your machine, probably make more money than it would cost for you to just have bought the Blu-Ray).
Interestingly enough the cost of someone mining on your hardware is almost assuredly lower then the cost of the software. I would be kinda interested in a software model that charges you "compute time".
 

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Yes, the cost for you in terms of electricity is less, but I meant the cost of just mining yourself and buying the Blu-Ray rather than getting scammed by a hacker.
 

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"Pay Google instead"?
"Pay Amazon instead"?
"Torrents go BRRRR"?
I pay whoever I want, for only what I want. Sometimes there's open source software that does exactly what I want and just holds out a tip jar.
 

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Download Torrents, you get the Malware Tax instead (maybe they be running crypto mining on your machine, probably make more money than it would cost for you to just have bought the Blu-Ray).
I haven't gotten malware from torrents since...well, never that I can recall, but certainly not since the days of Limewire.
 

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Well I don't torrent anymore, except for Linux distros and other legit stuff like that, but I've been around long enough to have gotten tons of viruses.

I mean, maybe movies are pretty safe, but it is confirmed that games in particular (and other executable software) usually comes chock full of malware, including crypto miners. This is well known.

Also, maybe the torrent itself is safe, but if you go to The Pirate's Bay (or whatever the new site is now) you can absolutely be hacked (and it's happened to me, not just making this up).
 

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I don't see many developers trying scams or malware through those alternative payment links... that's a good way to get kicked off the App Store in a hurry, if you're allowed in the first place. Apple is much more involved in the screening process than Google is with Play Store apps. That's been a common complaint about Android — that Google leans so heavily on automated screening for the Play Store that malware and scams can rack up millions of downloads before they're caught.
 

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Well I don't torrent anymore, except for Linux distros and other legit stuff like that, but I've been around long enough to have gotten tons of viruses.

I mean, maybe movies are pretty safe, but it is confirmed that games in particular (and other executable software) usually comes chock full of malware, including crypto miners. This is well known.

Also, maybe the torrent itself is safe, but if you go to The Pirate's Bay (or whatever the new site is now) you can absolutely be hacked (and it's happened to me, not just making this up).
If you got hacked solely from visiting a website then you choose to install something from that website or allowed something to be run from that website which gave someone access to your system, something you should not have. And ya, if you are downloading from PB, expect 99.9999% of the crap there to be infected, really expect that from most public trackers.
 

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Interestingly enough the cost of someone mining on your hardware is almost assuredly lower then the cost of the software. I would be kinda interested in a software model that charges you "compute time".
See also; Windows operating systems
 

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If you got hacked solely from visiting a website then you choose to install something from that website or allowed something to be run from that website which gave someone access to your system, something you should not have. And ya, if you are downloading from PB, expect 99.9999% of the crap there to be infected, really expect that from most public trackers.
No, it was a drive by. I didn't click or install anything, simply visiting PB I quickly saw a Java popup that closed immediately.

Then for the next week or so, I noticed my internet was slower. Did some digging and it ended up they installed a proxy server in my browser, which reroute all traffic to some shady Chinese server, doing who knows what with the information.

This was on a fully updated Windows Vista, but I did not use plugins like NoScript at the time.
 

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I am curious, how will Google and Apple make money now, do they still take a commission some how? Or just charge developers a flat fee or something to make their money off the stores?
Most developers will probably use the platform payment options as it can be a real hassle to handle payment yourself if you're not a big company.
 

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I am curious, how will Google and Apple make money now, do they still take a commission some how? Or just charge developers a flat fee or something to make their money off the stores?
Hmmm... could be lean times for the world's largest advertising and data-mining company as well as the world's highest profit margin smartphone and platform lock-in company. Tough times indeed.
 

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Most developers will probably use the platform payment options as it can be a real hassle to handle payment yourself if you're not a big company.
Most won't do it themselves, but if Cheaper Than GrApple Payments creates a system with drop in APIs and charges a lower rate I could see a lot of companies switching and offering part of their savings to customers to encourage them to switch over.
 

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I haven't gotten malware from torrents since...well, never that I can recall, but certainly not since the days of Limewire.
You are far better at the intertubes than most users I get to deal with, they somehow manage to get those "Your computer has been locked by the FBI for <insert crime here>, your fine of $50 can be paid by calling <1800eatasss>" lockdown scripts about as easy as most people breath.
 

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Most won't do it themselves, but if Cheaper Than GrApple Payments creates a system with drop in APIs and charges a lower rate I could see a lot of companies switching and offering part of their savings to customers to encourage them to switch over.
I don't think they will get it much cheaper, payment processors don't mess around. Visa and Mastercard are going to take 3% just for the privilege of being able to use their service then they have their own costs involved. So while they may see a decrease in their expenses (maybe 15%) we sure as shit won't.
 

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Just some more news for people to gnaw on for a little while to divert the worlds attention to Apple's slave factories overseas.

Moving on...
 

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Just some more news for people to gnaw on for a little while to divert the worlds attention to Apple's slave factories overseas.

Moving on...
I imagine most of the things you own were built in slave factories overseas. Don't pretend that's the issue here.
 

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