Anyone “upgraded” from 5900X to 5800X3D for gaming?

[Slade]

Some motherboards have released PBO option back into BIOS. Keep an eye out. My in game temps are around 66C now.

 

[SimGuy]

Made the jump from a 2700X to a 5800X3D for 1440p.
Drop in upgrade with a BIOS update. Seems like a no brainer to extend performance on same platform from Zen+

-30 all-core offset using the offset tool until BIOS updates. Offset helps with temps at idle (down to 32) on a 360 AIO and gaming around 65*C with MAX OC hitting 4.45.
82*C on all core Prime 95 holding 4.35GHz.

Better memory controller in this thing than the 2700X... allowing another 200 MHz at CL14 and that's 4-DIMM channels.

 

[learners permit]

I think you'll be pleasantly surprised at it's performance in DX11 games if ya still play any of those.

 

[III_Slyflyer_III]

Made the jump from a 2700X to a 5800X3D for 1440p.
Drop in upgrade with a BIOS update. Seems like a no brainer to extend performance on same platform from Zen+

-30 all-core offset using the offset tool until BIOS updates. Offset helps with temps at idle (down to 32) on a 360 AIO and gaming around 65*C with MAX OC hitting 4.45.
82*C on all core Prime 95 holding 4.35GHz.

Better memory controller in this thing than the 2700X... allowing another 200 MHz at CL14 and that's 4-DIMM channels.

TBH, you can probably get to 3600 or 3733Mhz pretty easy on the RAM with the IMC on the 5 series as long as your RAM is not an originally DDR4 kit from like 2014.

 

[SimGuy]

TBH, you can probably get to 3600 or 3733Mhz pretty easy on the RAM with the IMC on the 5 series as long as your RAM is not an originally DDR4 kit from like 2014.

Kit is a quad-set of GSkill TridentZ B-Die 3200 C14's -- 4x8GB. Upped voltage to 1.4 and can boot and stable 3400 with XMP profile. Probably needs 1.45 for CL14 at 3600... and beyond (3800 might be a stretch at CL14 -- might be possible at 15 or 16).
Haven't tinkered too much yet. Having too much fun with the increase in performance from Zen+ to the 5800X3D

 

[III_Slyflyer_III]

Kit is a quad-set of GSkill TridentZ B-Die 3200 C14's -- 4x8GB. Upped voltage to 1.4 and can boot and stable 3400 with XMP profile. Probably needs 1.45 for CL14 at 3600... and beyond (3800 might be a stretch at CL14 -- might be possible at 15 or 16).
Haven't tinkered too much yet. Having too much fun with the increase in performance from Zen+ to the 5800X3D

Mine is also a Quad set of B-Die's... I'm at 3800Mhz CAS 16 with only 1.4V, my Kit is technically only rated for 3200Mhz CAS 14. I've had this set as high as 4200Mhz CAS 18 at only 1.44V. B-Die's are amazing sets... your IMC or Mobo is mostly likely what will limit you.

 

[Bankie]

So is everyone happy with their switch from the 5900x to the 5800x3d? I'm considering the move now that they're really available for $300 and figure I can sell the 5900x for $250~ making it a relatively low cost 'upgrade'.

 

[Westwood]

I've got an X3D in the mail. Upgrading from a 3600. We'll see how it does.

 

[sk3tch]

So is everyone happy with their switch from the 5900x to the 5800x3d? I'm considering the move now that they're really available for $300 and figure I can sell the 5900x for $250~ making it a relatively low cost 'upgrade'.

Yes - did it on two systems. One a 5800X and one a 5950X. No regrets! Although now I'm addicted to the Micro Center $599 bundle as my next upgrade. lol.

 

[Bankie]

Yes - did it on two systems. One a 5800X and one a 5950X. No regrets! Although now I'm addicted to the Micro Center $599 bundle as my next upgrade. lol.

That's a great deal. I'd probably go with that if the ITX bundle wasn't $300 more.

 

[Vengance_01]

Gonna wait till it goes as low as it can go before I replace my 5600 non x chip

 

[freeagentt]

I have been bouncing back and forth between my 5900X and X3D. I find myself plugging the X3D in more often than not. Mine sips power to the point I could run WCG on the CPU and F@H on the GPU with a stock case configuration and have no fans installed on the cooler. Its fecking awesome. Betcha I have the quietest custom computer on the forum lol

I run with full power limits on the 5900X and get the 5150 out of it on a few cores, but an all core load at 200-240w PPT is pretty fecking intense, and loud af lol.

 

[c3k]

Upgraded a 5800x with one and then rippled the upgrades to the other rigs. VERY happy.

 

[Bankie]

I ran to MC on my lunch break and picked up a 5800x3D and tube of NHT1. I don't expect much of a difference from the 5900x but I all I do on the PC is play games and I figure that the old CPU should fetch 200-250 making it a low cost swap.

 

[Bankie]

Haven't messed with it too much yet but so far compared to the 5900x. Hogwart's Legacy has improved from 47-70fps to 63-80fps. The random hitches I used to get are gone. Temps are down about 10C; even though the 5900x was undervolted -20 and I haven't tuned the 5800x3d yet.

 

[KickAssCop]

Glad you are enjoying it. Throw in a 4090 and turn on frame gen and you will be doing about 100+ fps maxed out at 4K.

 

[III_Slyflyer_III]

Haven't messed with it too much yet but so far compared to the 5900x. Hogwart's Legacy has improved from 47-70fps to 63-80fps. The random hitches I used to get are gone. Temps are down about 10C; even though the 5900x was undervolted -20 and I haven't tuned the 5800x3d yet.

What resolution and settings tho?

 

[Bankie]

What resolution and settings tho?

3440x1440 Ultra settings with ray-tracing disabled. The 2080ti runs out of VRAM with RT on (and intermittently with the current settings too). I haven't benchmarked Returnal yet which ran perfectly on the 5900x but does feel smoother somehow with the x3D.

 

[SpongeBob]

If anyone has 5900X collecting dust since their upgrade I would be more than happy to trade you my 3800X to become your new desk ornament

 

[killroy67]

I will be moving to a 5800X3D from a 5900X by the end of the month, I've looked at benchmarks and it really is a great performer even in 4k with current games.

 

[Bankie]

Here's a quick test that I did before and after the 5900x -> 5800x3d swap. These are using Returnal's internal benchmark test.

5900X
Avg FPS = 73.53
Avg GPU = 98.97%
Avg CPU = 3.20%

5800X3d
Avg FPS = 84.60
Avg GPU = 98.35%
Avg CPU = 4.48%

Linux has the 5900x as a smidge faster overall than the 5800x3d. I'm not sure what's going on here as the average CPU usage should be lower on the 5900x.

5900X
Avg FPS = 61.91
Avg GPU = 96.84%
Avg CPU = 12.98%

5800X3d
Avg FPS = 59.80
Avg GPU = 97.72%
Avg CPU = 12.61%

 

[III_Slyflyer_III]

Man, it is tempting to swap out my 5950X for one of these just for gaming... but my VMs would suffer when working... Would this really matter much at 4K on a 4090?!?!?

 

[Andrew_Carr]

Man, it is tempting to swap out my 5950X for one of these just for gaming... but my VMs would suffer when working... Would this really matter much at 4K on a 4090?!?!?

Just wait a week and get the 7950x3d. Best of both worlds.

 

[GotNoRice]

Man, it is tempting to swap out my 5950X for one of these just for gaming... but my VMs would suffer when working... Would this really matter much at 4K on a 4090?!?!?

It really depends on the game. On some games the difference is huge. As far as VMs go... The 5800X3D is still 8 cores and 16 threads. It's not like we are talking about going back to a quad-core. And even though the 5800X3D has 4 fewer cores, the VMs would probably benefit from the cache also to some extent. How many VMs do you run simultaneously and are you really doing CPU intensive tasks on multiple VMs at the same time? More important to your VM performance would be having enough RAM and having the VMs on a decent SSD. For me, with a 5800X3D and 64GB DDR4 3600, it loads up 8 VMs installed on an SSD simultaneously just fine.

Just wait a week and get the 7950x3d. Best of both worlds.

No doubt they are going to be great chips, but for an existing AM4 user, there is a pretty big difference between spending $300 on a 5800X3D CPU compared to buying a AM5 X3D CPU + AM5 MOBO + DDR5 RAM.

 

[III_Slyflyer_III]

It really depends on the game. On some games the difference is huge. As far as VMs go... The 5800X3D is still 8 cores and 16 threads. It's not like we are talking about going back to a quad-core. And even though the 5800X3D has 4 fewer cores, the VMs would probably benefit from the cache also to some extent. How many VMs do you run simultaneously and are you really doing CPU intensive tasks on multiple VMs at the same time? More important to your VM performance would be having enough RAM and having the VMs on a decent SSD. For me, with a 5800X3D and 64GB DDR4 3600, it loads up 8 VMs installed on an SSD simultaneously just fine.



No doubt they are going to be great chips, but for an existing AM4 user, there is a pretty big difference between spending $300 on a 5800X3D CPU compared to buying a AM5 X3D CPU + AM5 MOBO + DDR5 RAM.

Yeah, maybe I just need to buy one at MC to truely see and return if its not worth it for me. With a 4090, even at 4k, my frames are so high anyway (locked at 144 or 120 in most) not sure I even notice the 1% lows in games. And games like MSFS2020 that are CPU limited dont even matter anymore with Frame Generation, it feels smooth as butter and well over 100 FPS now.

 

[bpizzle1]

Been a long time since I posted here, but I came across this thread while researching whether moving to a 5800x3d from a 5900x was worth it at all. Well, the cpu went on sale on Amazon, and I decided to order one. With the current used 5900x prices, it seems like it should be very minimal cash out of pocket (like $20).

Anyway, you guys that made the swap all still happy with the decision? I play at 3440x1440 with a 4090, so I’m ever so slightly cpu bound. I also play some games that are known to be cpu bound (wow, eft, etc). I’m hoping I’ll see a bit of a boost for essentially free.

 

[GotNoRice]

I'm personally very happy, especially with WoW. I feel like I should be able to get a couple of extra years out of this platform now, instead of feeling like I'm on an outdated platform that is lagging behind new tech, since it's already been shown that the 5800X3D beats both the 13900k and the non-X3D AM5 chips in WoW. As much as I hated going from 12 cores down to 8 cores, I honestly was not using that many cores almost ever, and I've come to appreciate the upsides of running a chip with only one CCD.

 

[NightReaver]

I'm personally very happy, especially with WoW. I feel like I should be able to get a couple of extra years out of this platform now, instead of feeling like I'm on an outdated platform that is lagging behind new tech, since it's already been shown that the 5800X3D beats both the 13900k and the non-X3D AM5 chips in WoW. As much as I hated going from 12 cores down to 8 cores, I honestly was not using that many cores almost ever, and I've come to appreciate the upsides of running a chip with only one CCD.

Yup. Honestly hoping the 7800X3D knocks it out of the park. Have a 7900X only because of that crazy MC bundle, but I honestly have zero use for 12 cores and dual CCX. Would love a high performance 8 core to replace it with tbh.

 

[Vengance_01]

The 7800x3d is it he one to get if you have or want to move to AM5. I just pulled the trigger on the 5800x3d from my 5600 non X. Don't know why I did as I don't even game that much but I figured why the hell not. I like to tinker and will the 5600 for about haft the cost.

 

[KickAssCop]

I am happy with my decision. I do miss faster shader compilation on my 5900X but the performance consistency in gaming is appreciated. Some games do get benefit from the cache and it makes sense to have a 5800x3D. After seeing the reviews of 7950x3D I am going to hold off on building an AM5. Will see if 7800x3D will change the game as right now the Intel looks like a better option for gaming and productivity without the hassle of scheduler etc.

 

[GotNoRice]

Intel looks like a better option for gaming and productivity without the hassle of scheduler etc.

Doesn't Intel have just as many scheduler issues with having to distribute loads between the P cores vs E cores? Or were you planning to disable the E cores?

 

[KickAssCop]

I wouldn't know since I have not used Intel for a while. Also historically AMD takes much longer to support issues vs. Intel.
Most recent reviews of 13900K have not also mentioned specific scheduler issues either in productivity or gaming.

 

[polonyc2]

I'm tempted to upgrade my 5800X...but is the upgrade really worth it (1440p)?...looking at benchmarks the fps difference between the 5800X and 5800X3D doesn't look to be all that different...or am I missing something and there are bigger changes under the hood (as far as gaming performance)?

 

[NightReaver]

I'm tempted to upgrade my 5800X...but is the upgrade really worth it (1440p)?...looking at benchmarks the fps difference between the 5800X and 5800X3D doesn't look to be all that different...or am I missing something and there are bigger changes under the hood (as far as gaming performance)?

It really depends on what you play. Some titles can see 20%+ improvements. You're going to have to do the reading to see if it will matter to you.

 

[Vengance_01]

I'm tempted to upgrade my 5800X...but is the upgrade really worth it (1440p)?...looking at benchmarks the fps difference between the 5800X and 5800X3D doesn't look to be all that different...or am I missing something and there are bigger changes under the hood (as far as gaming performance)?

Honestly it's the frame pacing and lows you should really look at. Honestly the 3d will give your AM4 extra legs... So really up to you

 

[arestavo]

I'm tempted to upgrade my 5800X...but is the upgrade really worth it (1440p)?...looking at benchmarks the fps difference between the 5800X and 5800X3D doesn't look to be all that different...or am I missing something and there are bigger changes under the hood (as far as gaming performance)?

It really depends on what you play. Some titles can see 20%+ improvements. You're going to have to do the reading to see if it will matter to you.

It's actually quite a bit more than 20% for quite a lot of games. In this 53 game average, it was over 15% faster at 1440P. https://www.techpowerup.com/review/rtx-4090-53-games-ryzen-7-5800x-vs-ryzen-7-5800x3d/2.html

 

[polonyc2]

as far as the 5800X vs 5800X3D I found the FPS review interesting...

When you look at the Ryzen 7 5800X3D as a whole, it does have some misses in several areas, mostly down to its lower clock frequency in comparison to the Ryzen 7 5800X. It’s also limited in its ability to utilize AMD Precision Boost Overdrive (PBO) or overclocking. We need to bring AMD PBO up because the AMD Ryzen 7 5800X fully supports PBO, while the Ryzen 7 5800X3D does not.

With AMD PBO you can turn this on in the BIOS or with Ryzen Software on the Ryzen 7 5800X. This can auto-overclock the Ryzen 7 5800X CPU by as much as 200MHz. When you take into consideration this overclock, we are now looking at a large 400MHz clock difference between the Ryzen 7 5800X and Ryzen 7 5800X3D. A Ryzen 7 5800X with PBO will improve its performance in everything, from applications to productivity, to rendering, to gaming. Whereas, the Ryzen 7 5800X3D really only has one claim to fame, potentially better gaming performance.

Even then, it is entirely game dependent on if that extra L3 Cache will actually provide a performance improvement in your game. We found that the game needs to be CPU dependent, to begin with, and or at a low resolution with a fast GPU. If you are playing games at a high resolution, like 4K, you are going to be GPU bound no matter what. If you aren’t running a GeForce RTX 3080 Ti or greater, then you are most likely also going to be always GPU bound at 1440p. That leaves only 1080p where it might benefit performance.

When it comes down to it, the AMD Ryzen 7 5800X is the better all-arounder CPU, as it provides better performance in everything you do with your PC beyond just gaming. If you want it to go faster, you can enable PBO and that will increase performance in everything non-gaming related, plus gaming related. That PBO increase will also help your gaming performance as the frequency is increased, perhaps even negating some of the impact of the 5800X3D’s extra L3 Cache...

https://www.thefpsreview.com/2022/05/19/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d-vs-amd-ryzen-7-5800x-a-cache-value/10/

 

[NightReaver]

as far as the 5800X vs 5800X3D I found the FPS review interesting...

When you look at the Ryzen 7 5800X3D as a whole, it does have some misses in several areas, mostly down to its lower clock frequency in comparison to the Ryzen 7 5800X. It’s also limited in its ability to utilize AMD Precision Boost Overdrive (PBO) or overclocking. We need to bring AMD PBO up because the AMD Ryzen 7 5800X fully supports PBO, while the Ryzen 7 5800X3D does not.

With AMD PBO you can turn this on in the BIOS or with Ryzen Software on the Ryzen 7 5800X. This can auto-overclock the Ryzen 7 5800X CPU by as much as 200MHz. When you take into consideration this overclock, we are now looking at a large 400MHz clock difference between the Ryzen 7 5800X and Ryzen 7 5800X3D. A Ryzen 7 5800X with PBO will improve its performance in everything, from applications to productivity, to rendering, to gaming. Whereas, the Ryzen 7 5800X3D really only has one claim to fame, potentially better gaming performance.

Even then, it is entirely game dependent on if that extra L3 Cache will actually provide a performance improvement in your game. We found that the game needs to be CPU dependent, to begin with, and or at a low resolution with a fast GPU. If you are playing games at a high resolution, like 4K, you are going to be GPU bound no matter what. If you aren’t running a GeForce RTX 3080 Ti or greater, then you are most likely also going to be always GPU bound at 1440p. That leaves only 1080p where it might benefit performance.

When it comes down to it, the AMD Ryzen 7 5800X is the better all-arounder CPU, as it provides better performance in everything you do with your PC beyond just gaming. If you want it to go faster, you can enable PBO and that will increase performance in everything non-gaming related, plus gaming related. That PBO increase will also help your gaming performance as the frequency is increased, perhaps even negating some of the impact of the 5800X3D’s extra L3 Cache...

https://www.thefpsreview.com/2022/05/19/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d-vs-amd-ryzen-7-5800x-a-cache-value/10/

I'm kind of having an issue with FPS-based cpu reviews. It's not showing the whole story. Take for instance this graph:


Factorio isn't a graphics marvel, but man does it chew through processing power. As do a lot of simulation-type games which, while not FPS-popular, are still fairly popular. In this case, the 5800X3D destroys. Hands down. So really, you're going to have to look up what you play specifically to see how much of a benefit that extra cache can give. Then determine if it's worth it.

 

[polonyc2]

So really, you're going to have to look up what you play specifically to see how much of a benefit that extra cache can give. Then determine if it's worth it.

but does the Zen 4 architecture with DDR5 offer the better value which offsets the extra L3 cache?

 

[NightReaver]

but does the Zen 4 architecture with DDR5 offer the better value which offsets the extra L3 cache?

Again. You're gonna have to do your own research. In the above example the answer is a resounding No.