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TBH, you can probably get to 3600 or 3733Mhz pretty easy on the RAM with the IMC on the 5 series as long as your RAM is not an originally DDR4 kit from like 2014.Made the jump from a 2700X to a 5800X3D for 1440p.
Drop in upgrade with a BIOS update. Seems like a no brainer to extend performance on same platform from Zen+
-30 all-core offset using the offset tool until BIOS updates. Offset helps with temps at idle (down to 32) on a 360 AIO and gaming around 65*C with MAX OC hitting 4.45.
82*C on all core Prime 95 holding 4.35GHz.
Better memory controller in this thing than the 2700X... allowing another 200 MHz at CL14 and that's 4-DIMM channels.
TBH, you can probably get to 3600 or 3733Mhz pretty easy on the RAM with the IMC on the 5 series as long as your RAM is not an originally DDR4 kit from like 2014.
Mine is also a Quad set of B-Die's... I'm at 3800Mhz CAS 16 with only 1.4V, my Kit is technically only rated for 3200Mhz CAS 14. I've had this set as high as 4200Mhz CAS 18 at only 1.44V. B-Die's are amazing sets... your IMC or Mobo is mostly likely what will limit you.Kit is a quad-set of GSkill TridentZ B-Die 3200 C14's -- 4x8GB. Upped voltage to 1.4 and can boot and stable 3400 with XMP profile. Probably needs 1.45 for CL14 at 3600... and beyond (3800 might be a stretch at CL14 -- might be possible at 15 or 16).
Haven't tinkered too much yet.Having too much fun with the increase in performance from Zen+ to the 5800X3D
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Yes - did it on two systems. One a 5800X and one a 5950X. No regrets! Although now I'm addicted to the Micro Center $599 bundle as my next upgrade. lol.So is everyone happy with their switch from the 5900x to the 5800x3d? I'm considering the move now that they're really available for $300 and figure I can sell the 5900x for $250~ making it a relatively low cost 'upgrade'.
That's a great deal. I'd probably go with that if the ITX bundle wasn't $300 more.Yes - did it on two systems. One a 5800X and one a 5950X. No regrets! Although now I'm addicted to the Micro Center $599 bundle as my next upgrade. lol.
What resolution and settings tho?Haven't messed with it too much yet but so far compared to the 5900x. Hogwart's Legacy has improved from 47-70fps to 63-80fps. The random hitches I used to get are gone. Temps are down about 10C; even though the 5900x was undervolted -20 and I haven't tuned the 5800x3d yet.
3440x1440 Ultra settings with ray-tracing disabled. The 2080ti runs out of VRAM with RT on (and intermittently with the current settings too). I haven't benchmarked Returnal yet which ran perfectly on the 5900x but does feel smoother somehow with the x3D.What resolution and settings tho?
Just wait a week and get the 7950x3d. Best of both worlds.Man, it is tempting to swap out my 5950X for one of these just for gaming... but my VMs would suffer when working...Would this really matter much at 4K on a 4090?!?!?
Man, it is tempting to swap out my 5950X for one of these just for gaming... but my VMs would suffer when working...Would this really matter much at 4K on a 4090?!?!?
Just wait a week and get the 7950x3d. Best of both worlds.
Yeah, maybe I just need to buy one at MC to truely see and return if its not worth it for me. With a 4090, even at 4k, my frames are so high anyway (locked at 144 or 120 in most) not sure I even notice the 1% lows in games. And games like MSFS2020 that are CPU limited dont even matter anymore with Frame Generation, it feels smooth as butter and well over 100 FPS now.It really depends on the game. On some games the difference is huge. As far as VMs go... The 5800X3D is still 8 cores and 16 threads. It's not like we are talking about going back to a quad-core. And even though the 5800X3D has 4 fewer cores, the VMs would probably benefit from the cache also to some extent. How many VMs do you run simultaneously and are you really doing CPU intensive tasks on multiple VMs at the same time? More important to your VM performance would be having enough RAM and having the VMs on a decent SSD. For me, with a 5800X3D and 64GB DDR4 3600, it loads up 8 VMs installed on an SSD simultaneously just fine.
No doubt they are going to be great chips, but for an existing AM4 user, there is a pretty big difference between spending $300 on a 5800X3D CPU compared to buying a AM5 X3D CPU + AM5 MOBO + DDR5 RAM.
Yup. Honestly hoping the 7800X3D knocks it out of the park. Have a 7900X only because of that crazy MC bundle, but I honestly have zero use for 12 cores and dual CCX. Would love a high performance 8 core to replace it with tbh.I'm personally very happy, especially with WoW. I feel like I should be able to get a couple of extra years out of this platform now, instead of feeling like I'm on an outdated platform that is lagging behind new tech, since it's already been shown that the 5800X3D beats both the 13900k and the non-X3D AM5 chips in WoW. As much as I hated going from 12 cores down to 8 cores, I honestly was not using that many cores almost ever, and I've come to appreciate the upsides of running a chip with only one CCD.
Intel looks like a better option for gaming and productivity without the hassle of scheduler etc.
It really depends on what you play. Some titles can see 20%+ improvements. You're going to have to do the reading to see if it will matter to you.I'm tempted to upgrade my 5800X...but is the upgrade really worth it (1440p)?...looking at benchmarks the fps difference between the 5800X and 5800X3D doesn't look to be all that different...or am I missing something and there are bigger changes under the hood (as far as gaming performance)?
Honestly it's the frame pacing and lows you should really look at. Honestly the 3d will give your AM4 extra legs... So really up to youI'm tempted to upgrade my 5800X...but is the upgrade really worth it (1440p)?...looking at benchmarks the fps difference between the 5800X and 5800X3D doesn't look to be all that different...or am I missing something and there are bigger changes under the hood (as far as gaming performance)?
I'm tempted to upgrade my 5800X...but is the upgrade really worth it (1440p)?...looking at benchmarks the fps difference between the 5800X and 5800X3D doesn't look to be all that different...or am I missing something and there are bigger changes under the hood (as far as gaming performance)?
It really depends on what you play. Some titles can see 20%+ improvements. You're going to have to do the reading to see if it will matter to you.
I'm kind of having an issue with FPS-based cpu reviews. It's not showing the whole story. Take for instance this graph:as far as the 5800X vs 5800X3D I found the FPS review interesting...
When you look at the Ryzen 7 5800X3D as a whole, it does have some misses in several areas, mostly down to its lower clock frequency in comparison to the Ryzen 7 5800X. It’s also limited in its ability to utilize AMD Precision Boost Overdrive (PBO) or overclocking. We need to bring AMD PBO up because the AMD Ryzen 7 5800X fully supports PBO, while the Ryzen 7 5800X3D does not.
With AMD PBO you can turn this on in the BIOS or with Ryzen Software on the Ryzen 7 5800X. This can auto-overclock the Ryzen 7 5800X CPU by as much as 200MHz. When you take into consideration this overclock, we are now looking at a large 400MHz clock difference between the Ryzen 7 5800X and Ryzen 7 5800X3D. A Ryzen 7 5800X with PBO will improve its performance in everything, from applications to productivity, to rendering, to gaming. Whereas, the Ryzen 7 5800X3D really only has one claim to fame, potentially better gaming performance.
Even then, it is entirely game dependent on if that extra L3 Cache will actually provide a performance improvement in your game. We found that the game needs to be CPU dependent, to begin with, and or at a low resolution with a fast GPU. If you are playing games at a high resolution, like 4K, you are going to be GPU bound no matter what. If you aren’t running a GeForce RTX 3080 Ti or greater, then you are most likely also going to be always GPU bound at 1440p. That leaves only 1080p where it might benefit performance.
When it comes down to it, the AMD Ryzen 7 5800X is the better all-arounder CPU, as it provides better performance in everything you do with your PC beyond just gaming. If you want it to go faster, you can enable PBO and that will increase performance in everything non-gaming related, plus gaming related. That PBO increase will also help your gaming performance as the frequency is increased, perhaps even negating some of the impact of the 5800X3D’s extra L3 Cache...
https://www.thefpsreview.com/2022/05/19/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d-vs-amd-ryzen-7-5800x-a-cache-value/10/
So really, you're going to have to look up what you play specifically to see how much of a benefit that extra cache can give. Then determine if it's worth it.
Again. You're gonna have to do your own research. In the above example the answer is a resounding No.but does the Zen 4 architecture with DDR5 offer the better value which offsets the extra L3 cache?