Anyone have experience with the lower end ryzens?

Criticalhitkoala

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So I've been pretty excited about trying some Ryzen 3 Apu's for the young ones in my family. I know it's not really [H] but does anyone have any opinions/critiques, etc concerning systems using the 2200 or 2400g? My 10 year plays a lot of Roblox, Minecraft, Sims 4, and SCP and currently has a i5-2400 with a geforce 730. While it's far from bad (actually fairly good), I was thinking about doing a small upgrade.

I'm currently sitting on a i5-3570 with 8 gigs of ram and a ssd that can be used to "Upgrade". Would you guys suggest I keep that and get a geforce 1030, or would the 2200g/2400g actually be a better option after selling the i5 kit?

When it comes to suggestions, I'm not looking to "Save Money". Part of this is honestly a curiousity project to try out an APU. But since it does require moving a few things, and spending some money, I was wondering if anyone has an thoughts they could share about it.
 

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my son had a Ryzen 1500x + Rx560 and it worked fantastic. Personally id rather have i5-3570 with a 1050 then an APU. memory bandwidth is pretty limited unless you buy expensive ram -- even then its still less then an RX560 or 1050.
 

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my son had a Ryzen 1500x + Rx560 and it worked fantastic. Personally id rather have i5-3570 with a 1050 then an APU. memory bandwidth is pretty limited unless you buy expensive ram -- even then its still less then an RX560 or 1050.

that was my big concern there. It looks like from the reviews a big issue is the memory you use, and anything worthwhile is still a pretty penny. I feel if I just pick up a LP 1050 2 or 3 gb (which I didn't even realize they have until yesterday) that might just be better.
 

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Hrmm a 2400g but traded it up for a 2600x. Significantly faster processor by far.
 

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Hrmm a 2400g but traded it up for a 2600x. Significantly faster processor by far.

Thanks for the recommendation. I'll be honest, the curiosity here is an apu. I was messing with the idea of a small low profile system with a decent graphics card. Was hoping to avoid a discrete gpu all together.

Wasn't looking for anything "Fast" since my daughter will probably get my 5960x or 5930k in about 2 years when I finally upgrade. Those should be plenty enough for her when that happens. This was more a stop gap paired with new tech curiosity.
 

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You can get DDR4 3000 Cas 16 memory pretty cheap. I run that with a 2200g in my mother's computer and she doesn't complain about the speed. She says it is noticeably faster than the FM2+ 7860k APU that she previously used.
 

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I have a 2200g pulling pfsense duty right now, but it was more than capable of playing games like mine craft/slime rancher at 720/1080 (never checked FPS, but felt like playing on a console).

I am sure the 2400g would fair better, just get 2x sticks of fast ram and you should be fine.
 

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I would add if you're adventurous and wanna save some money, you can always give the DDR4 a mild OC instead of buying more expensive DDR4.

That's what I did with my 2200G. You're luck will vary, but I got my 2400 kit to 3200 with decent timings (16-18-18)
 

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The 2400g has SMT just remember that if you need it.

They easily and consistently beat the i38100 in both graphics and compute.

The 2400g is actually an impressive apu.
 

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This has really been tempting me too.

What a great concept...

Its be super fun to build a small 2400G system and just see how fast it runs stuff.

I think the processor itself is pretty respectable in its own rights. Looks very similar to a i7-6700k. Amazing how far we've come in a year and a half
 

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This has really been tempting me too.

What a great concept...

Its be super fun to build a small 2400G system and just see how fast it runs stuff.

I think the processor itself is pretty respectable in its own rights. Looks very similar to a i7-6700k. Amazing how far we've come in a year and a half


Yeah this is kinda what's getting me excited. It looks like a very fun entry/mid level chip that would be great to mess around with that has more current tech.

Anyone have a itx amd board they would suggest with the 2400g?
 

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So, the 2200G by itself will be faster than your current setup and much cheaper.
 

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So, the 2200G by itself will be faster than your current setup and much cheaper.

I don't know about much cheaper. I could pick up a 1030 for $80 and come out less right now. but there wouldn't be the joy of something fun to mess with. If I sold everything in that intel kit I would probably break even including spending the $80, but I don't know if it's "Cheaper".
 

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Yeah this is kinda what's getting me excited. It looks like a very fun entry/mid level chip that would be great to mess around with that has more current tech.

Anyone have a itx amd board they would suggest with the 2400g?
Off the top of my head:
The Asus ITX boards only have 1 SOC phase which handles your DDR4 and iGPU. I believe only 1 video output as well (please correct me if I am mistaken here)

The Asrock board has 2 SOC phases and more video output options for multimonitors. It does not feature in bios iGPU overclocking (at least in my b350 version) and that kinda sucks as your other option is Ryzen master which has to be applied everytime you boot up your PC. It also does not allow you to set your video memory in bios (not a huge deal, but it can cause some issues)

Not sure about gigabyte or MSI. I believe one of those boards does offer 3 phases for the SOC (will have to check)
 

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I have a 2200g and two ryzen laptops - a 2500u and a 2700u. They're good for what they are, basically a quad core with an rx 550 or 1030 equivalent gpu, all for the price of just the quad core. The laptops are great, the 2200g I bought for testing stuff while I waited for a cpu to be replaced. They make excellent sff or custom PC's - so might be fun to build your own case using an mitx or matx board and a 2200g. That's what I plan to do with my 2200g and my prime b350m-a matx board. Still in planning stages but low power and cooling requirements mean you can get pretty creative. I have everything I need for it except for a drive - will probably get a cheap m.2 for space reasons and build something interesting using one of the two wraith prisms I have - maybe try to build a low/no noise system to go in my airstream.
 

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Also, if you are looking to go the small form factor ITX route, here is a link to my ITX 2200G build I did.

I really love the Silverstone ML09 case for an ITX APU build. Its incredibly small, good cpu cooling, 4 2.5in drive slots, and room for a half height GPU if you ever need more horsepower (like slotting in a 1050ti)
 

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I would start with which ever you decide , the 2200g would save enough to go RX570 as it is a nice combo.

 

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I have a 2400g and I love it. Not much real gaming experience, but it does everything I need.

The 2400g, b-450, and 16 GB ram will set you back around $450, but you get 4/8 cores and a nice upgrade path if need be.

I now have my system stuffed into an ML06-BE which looks like a home theater reciever.

Games have really favored at least 8 threads lately, even at 1080p medium. It is worth it to go 8 threads right off the bat.
 

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Night, that's awesome.

So another option just cropped out. Might just end up getting one of these for my daughter's machine and call it a day - https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=1DW-0003-000D5.

While I would love to mess with onboard apu's...I have a cheapo case and this video card would pretty much kill any APu out there for a while.

Kills the dream of a small pc for now, but maybe 2400's will be down 50% within a few years. I'm interested in the cost value that Amd chips would hold year after year. Historically they haven't really held high resale, I wonder if itt would be the same for the Ryzen chips.
 

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Yeah the 2400g hasn't fallen much in price, probably due to the lack of a 2500x. It will most likely drop when the 3400g is released or whatever they call it.
 

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Night, that's awesome.

So another option just cropped out. Might just end up getting one of these for my daughter's machine and call it a day - https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=1DW-0003-000D5.

While I would love to mess with onboard apu's...I have a cheapo case and this video card would pretty much kill any APu out there for a while.

Kills the dream of a small pc for now, but maybe 2400's will be down 50% within a few years. I'm interested in the cost value that Amd chips would hold year after year. Historically they haven't really held high resale, I wonder if itt would be the same for the Ryzen chips.

do it, that's a killer deal. my guess is when next gen vega comes out prices for the apu's will get much better.
 

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Night, that's awesome.

So another option just cropped out. Might just end up getting one of these for my daughter's machine and call it a day - https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=1DW-0003-000D5.

While I would love to mess with onboard apu's...I have a cheapo case and this video card would pretty much kill any APu out there for a while.

Kills the dream of a small pc for now, but maybe 2400's will be down 50% within a few years. I'm interested in the cost value that Amd chips would hold year after year. Historically they haven't really held high resale, I wonder if itt would be the same for the Ryzen chips.

Killer deal! Too bad it's a mining card with just a DVI for output or I would be pulling the trigger for myself.
 

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Killer deal! Too bad it's a mining card with just a DVI for output or I would be pulling the trigger for myself.
indeed. And one port also. But since the intel onboard is still free, my little one can still have her youtube on her second monitor with the iGP.

Fortunately I have a crap ton of DVI to hdmi converters because the local thrift store sells 1080p monitors from 2011 for $5~$10 a pop. So I've been buying them to upgrade family and friends monitors. We live super close to the rich part of Georgia, so people have been donating 24" 1080p monitors on the regular. It's crazy. Only issue is they are mostly all DVI. Out of the 10 monitors I bought from the thrift store the last year, only 2 were HDMI. But all of them were 1080p or higher, and 22"+. Needless to say, I've been the popular uncle :)
 

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indeed. And one port also. But since the intel onboard is still free, my little one can still have her youtube on her second monitor with the iGP.

Fortunately I have a crap ton of DVI to hdmi converters because the local thrift store sells 1080p monitors from 2011 for $5~$10 a pop. So I've been buying them to upgrade family and friends monitors. We live super close to the rich part of Georgia, so people have been donating 24" 1080p monitors on the regular. It's crazy. Only issue is they are mostly all DVI. Out of the 10 monitors I bought from the thrift store the last year, only 2 were HDMI. But all of them were 1080p or higher, and 22"+. Needless to say, I've been the popular uncle :)

Sweet, wish I could use my IGP, but since I have a P67 I can't :(, want to adopt me? I could always use a rich uncle lol.
 

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Sweet, wish I could use my IGP, but since I have a P67 I can't :(, want to adopt me? I could always use a rich uncle lol.

Lol I'm far from rich, but because I wanted to bet he cool house I do give away full size candy bars for Halloween. So there is that :)
 

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Killer deal! Too bad it's a mining card with just a DVI for output or I would be pulling the trigger for myself.
In the specs it says AMD Eyefinity Technology. Does anyone agree this is probably just cut and paste specs, or is there some sort of branch out adapter available allowing this on a one output card? Also is this the sort of DVI that would pass audio in a DVI to HDMI adapter or would it require audio from the sound card?
Sorry for OT but I thought others might be asking the same.
 

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I built a 2400g, 16 GB DDR4/2400, 1 TB spinner/120 GB nvme ssd StoreMI setup for my in-laws. I am really impressed with it. Runs games at 1080p with mid to high graphics settings at 60hz vsync extremely well. Very hard to beat at $550 build price.
 

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In the specs it says AMD Eyefinity Technology. Does anyone agree this is probably just cut and paste specs, or is there some sort of branch out adapter available allowing this on a one output card? Also is this the sort of DVI that would pass audio in a DVI to HDMI adapter or would it require audio from the sound card?
Sorry for OT but I thought others might be asking the same.

Under the Q&A tab it has been confirmed to only have a single DVI as the sole output port. And as for the type of DVI, it appears to be DVI-D Dual Link.
 

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There are Ryzen 2600g vs GT1030 comparisons. Mostly seems Ryzen has the edge. Unfortunately builds being compared use Intel G dual core CPUs.
fwiw worth sounds like fun. Worst case, have to add video card.

At that price video card is better. Still like the idea though just to..
 
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Not Ryzen per se, but just built an Athlon 200GE computer for my parents, and it worked okay in my testing for light gaming. Would probably be comparable to the GT 730, but for $55, you can't beat the price, and easily upgradable to the next gen Ryzen if they need it.
 
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