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Discussion in 'Intel Processors' started by fociz, Jun 8, 2018.
It's past midnight here. I don't see any anywhere..
Just get an 8700k from Silicon Lottery.
Eh, it'd still be neat to have one of these. Have not seen it pop up on newegg or amazon yet.
Damn, Silicon Lottery had some posted with delidding included.
True, there is the fun of having something unique. I always liked getting unique consoles such as the Resident Evil 5 Xbox 360.
I really want a Ryzen Pro 2400g for some weird reason. That black heatsink and 'pro' case sticker would be worth a $20 surcharge for me.
Yeah i'm totally a sucker for things like that. Sold my black PS4 Pro and used the proceeds to buy the God of War one. Finally can go to bed now though since Newegg posted it.
I am waiting to see if Intel is going to send me a free one. Should know in 2 weeks.
I already have the I7 4790K, OC to 4,5 GHz
What do you think, guys ? Should i upgrade to I7 8086K ?
Someone told me, i should go for 8700K.
I don't understand this advice,
They are pretty much the same chip, the 8086 is just an overclocked Limited Edition Anniversary model for about $100 more.
We're lucky it didn't need a new chipset to run it.
Seem to be on sale @ Amazon
I've only seen it on Amazon, Best Buy, and Newegg. I was hoping I could get it from somewhere that does not charge sales tax :/
The Silicon Lottery 5.0Ghz 8700k is a few bucks cheaper, and already comes delidded with liquid metal TIM. It's the better buy.
But it's a "Limited Edition" chip. Whatever that means in the CPU world. Just sounds like something pre binned.
Why buy this "8086" which is kinda overpriced, just buy a normal 8700k and overclock at less the price. Its not like the 8086 would overclock higher, would it?
Microcenter has them
Don't do it. They are just binned 8700 - only thing unique is the name and price.
And the fact that Intel bins them from their 8700 lots and sells them at a higher price makes your chances at the 8700k silicon lottery that much less. So they screw consumers two ways - have their cake and eat it too.
There's plenty of 806k in Sweden, but the cheapest is at €450, while 8700k is at €350. That's a whole €100 (or $117) more expensive. Man everything is expensive here.
EU Ebay and EU Amazon are places you go if you want to get ripped off, it's at least as expensive there, usually way more and on top of that I have to pay for postage (on Swedish sites I do not)
Do these guys ship/post to Australia?
Tempted to get one if they do.
You can't have your cake and eat it too. Intel is doing us a favor pre-binning them, de-lidding them.
DON'T FUCKING COMPLAIN WHEN THEY GIVE YOU WHAT YOU ASK FOR!
Yes, they offer shipping to a wide variety of locations around the world. I think shipping would cost around 35 USD. (plus custom fees dependent on the country)
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I don't believe they are delidded/soldered chips. Derbauer had to delid his at Computex when he OCed his to 7.3ghz on LN2.
That said if people want to buy either chip power to them. Value only matters to those on a budget.
Cheers for this.
They are not doing anybody a favor, they are making money on it. It is a lame offering. You can get a better deal through SL.
yes but i would guess the intel chip would have quite abit more overclocking headroom as all the better then 5ghz chips silicon lottery got are being sold as such when with the intel chip you still have a very real chance of getting a >5ghz chip
And it's not like this thing is going to be all that much faster than the 8700k. They just bumped the single-core turbo +300 MHz.
No other turbo bin has been touched, so when it's fully-loaded it's going to perform exactly the same as the old model.
The higher turbos imply higher max overclocks, but you still have to do that work yourself. Seems kinds lazy on Intel's part, for a "limited edition." The 4790k actually shipped with +400 for all bins.
I don't understand this never-ending chase for the gold (5+ GHz), when you can't really tell the difference between gold and either silver (4.8 GHz) or bronze (4.6 GHz). And yet, a website called Silicon Lottery tells me that there are tons of pointlessly-driven people looking for something to waste money on to brag about.
This chip is all about binning for OC headroom. And it delivers.
So you're paying an extra $85+ over the 8700k to basically guarantee a 5Ghz all core OC. According to SL, 86% of 8700k's hit 5Ghz after delid. I guess if you consider paying an extra $85 to remove the 14% chance of a non-5Ghz OC chip then "it delivers." It certainly doesn't "deliver" anything on value.
But they didn't delid the 8086k.
Good golly the butthurt is epic here on this chip. Don’t like it? Don’t buy it.
Never before have so many been offended, angered and butthurt over $85...
Both of my non-delided 8700Ks hit 5.0. In order for AVX to be at 5.0 as well, the voltage has to be cranked and the temps are too high FOR MY LIKING.
Others would be just fine with the volts and temps. These give MORE HEADROOM which allows 5.0+ OCs with less volts and heat.
WHATS SO FREAKING HARD TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT THAT? That’s what you get with a binned chip. You don’t get 1000Mhz more, you get the best of the best samples intel has of a particular CPU. OC headroom.
For some, well worth the money. For others, not so much. To each his own, blah, blah.
Actually, you don't know what you're getting and you're assuming a rigorous binning. If Intel said these are the top 3% binned 6C/12T chips, then it might be worth $85 to some. Realistically, these are binned to ensure a 5Ghz single core load. That isn't worth $85. If reviews start coming out saying that all of these chips hit 5.1-5.2Ghz, then it might be worth it. But it sounds like the general consensus among reviews is to "SAVE YOUR MONEY."
Nowhere in there was there any "butthurt" or "anger." Just pointing out that $85 is a lot to spend on the unknown, especially when reviewers are telling you not to buy it. Unless, you plan on leaving it sealed in its box and think it will be a collector item (not likely).
You sound like a sheep who follows reviewers’ every word.
You’re putting a spin on this - most reviews I’ve read say that there’s definitely more room they experienced, and that if that’s worth it to you, by all means go for it, but in their opinion, it’s not worth it. Again, “worth it” is an opinion, not some fact. You have your opinion, others have theirs, I have mine.
Just the fact I was able to bring my non-delided 8086K 4.8 AVX from -2 offset to zero (5.0) with LESS voltage and heat is worth it to me. That right there tells you this particular one is binned well. I’ll have my other one arriving this evening and I bet the results will be similar.
Are you going to continue to argue opinions and economics vs facts on an enthusiast forum?
Absolutely. One doesn't need to look for the top 1% of performance to be an enthusiast. Some people appreciate bang-for-the-buck. I highly doubt you can notice the difference between the 8700K and the 8086k. The funny thing is I haven't seen any reviews say it was worth the money. It's not being a sheep. I don't have one and I am reading what people say who do have one. Regardless of what you think of reviews, they are in agreement that it is not worth the money. You sound like you're trying to justify a marginal upgrade. I don't even really care, I sold my 8700k to play with the ryzen 2700X. But Intel wouldn't get my extra $85 if I went back.
Nope - you're the one fixated on making sure everybody knows "it's not worth it". Justifying it to yourself, really.
Let people spend their money how they see fit. It's their money.
When a new Titan card comes out, I don't hang out in the NV forums telling all the Titan kids they've wasted their money because there's a new Ti card right around the corner... Their money, their choice. Only they can decide if having the top card for 3 months is worth $xK dollars. To some it's "worth it." Again, opinions, not facts. The fact is the 8086K is a binned part - that is fact. The rest is wasted opinions.
I'm not disagreeing with the fact that it's a binned part. 99% of this forum is opinion LOL. We just don't know how well binned it is. A lot of hands-on experience seems to indicate that it is not worth the money. By your earlier logic, we should all buy Titans because we are enthusiasts.
You are entitled to your opinion, and for those that buy them I hope they enjoy them. I'm just pointing out the other side of the argument.
Hey, what is wrong with Titans? After all, at one point, mine was the same cost as the marked up 1080ti while being a tiny bit better...
You still aren't getting it. The INDIVIDUAL can decide if it's "worth it" to the individual. You still have this group/sheep mentality where everybody has to follow some person that dictates whether things are "worth it."
You want to be that dictator, relentlessly informing all that something is "worth it" or "not worth it". "Seems to dictate" - more of your opinions, not fact.
See what I'm getting at?
I don't think you're getting it. My opinion is that it isn't worth it. I've already said I don't. You're entitled to your opinion as is everyone else but youve already criticized me for not being an "enthusiast" because I didn't want to upspend for every last drop of performance. This isn't a sheep mentality. I gave my opinion just like numerous others. I disagree with your opinion. It's not something to get your panties in a twist over. Get over it.
"I dont think this is worth $85 more" isn't a dictatorial statement. I never claimed to tell anyone else what to do. I offered my opinion and related that other websites agreed with me. Go buy whatever the fuck catches your fancy.