Anyone else eagerly awaiting Threadripper 3960x results?

Nightfire said:
Not having a 16 core TR seems like a mistake by AMD. Even at $1000, it could have been a great alternate to the Intel HEDT.
Click to expand...

A great solution period, I think. There's certainly a market for 'enough' cores, enough per-core performance, and gobs of connectivity.

mikeo said:
Since they are now the performance leaders they can charge a premium again.
Click to expand...

Wait for the "AMD is ripping us off, Intel save us!" posts :D
 
Didn't even realize they were coming out so soon until I read some news today. Hopefully they review well, I wanted the 2990wx but the reviews were underwhelming. I'm also up for an upgrade at work so, if they review well I will probably upgrade both workstations at work and if that goes well I'll be building on for myself.
 
with an annouced price of 1400USD for the 3960X I don't expect to see it in europe for less than 1500/1600€.
this is a stupid price for a platorm that will last 2 years at most considering that USB 4.0 and DDR5 is so near.

Intel i9-10990XE at 999USD seems a better bet to me, a bit more performance per core and every core COSTS LESS than AMD ones.

AMD surpassed Intel in terms of price per core and this is stupid at this moment.
 
The lack of lower core SKUs is puzzling. Maybe a combination of supply issues and waiting to clear out inventory of older parts?
 
sethk said:
The lack of lower core SKUs is puzzling. Maybe a combination of supply issues and waiting to clear out inventory of older parts?
Click to expand...

the real reason is that Threadripper is no where near able to justify its price now that we have 16 cores on the mainstream platform.
 
As far as pricing the previous 24 core threadripper was $1400 and the 16 core 3950x is priced at $750. Would have been nice if AMD had a 20 core threadripper 3 for $999 gives you 2 more cores then the i9-10990XE 18 cores at the same price. Have to see more benchmarks and a comparison with the i9-10990XE to see which to get.
 
Like other people who have invested in HEDT over more gaming oriented SKUs I want a workstation platform with more PCIe lanes and quad channel to run VMs and memory intensive apps. Its not just cores its the rest of the platform. 16 core mainstream is tempting but falls short for me in several ways.
 
Eagerly waiting for 3960X/3970X result. As for price to justify whatever the TR gen3 performance is, I think AMD is just following the textbook market/value based pricing 101. Most companies do the same thing all the time.
 
The 3960X/3970X looks extremely promising. Nice turbo speed and the much improved Zen 2 architecture for multiple CPUs really looks like this will be third time the charm. The earlier generation Threadrippers had some compromises I didn’t like, but these could be fabulous. Can’t wait for reviews to see if there are any glaring weaknesses, but I don’t think so based on what we already know from the Ryzen 3000 series and the EPYC Rome.
 
mikeo said:
Decisions, decisions....

https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/ROG-ZENITH-II-EXTREME/

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/TRX40-AORUS-XTREME-rev-10#kf

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/Creator-TRX40

https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/TRX40 Taichi/index.asp

At least all but the asrock come with 10g ports.

Leaning towards the gigabyte for dual 10g intel cards and ecc support listed.
Click to expand...

Mosts of them will costs around $900
I think that prices are out of control with this platform
 
mikeo said:
Decisions, decisions....

https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/ROG-ZENITH-II-EXTREME/

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/TRX40-AORUS-XTREME-rev-10#kf

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/Creator-TRX40

https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/TRX40 Taichi/index.asp

At least all but the asrock come with 10g ports.

Leaning towards the gigabyte for dual 10g intel cards and ecc support listed.
Click to expand...

I'm leaning towards the Gigabyte board. 4x nvme drives, lots of heatsinks, at all the features you could want. The board just looks beefy. I haven't built a full sized pc in a few years, I've been making mostly mATX and miTX systems. I'll have look at cases now too.

Edit: Hmm, the asus has 5 nvme slots. Also prices for the gigabyte board is like $1k+. When they hell did motherboards get so expensive?
 
Last edited:
///AMG said:
Edit: Hmm, the asus has 5 nvme slots. Also prices for the gigabyte board is like $1k+. When they hell did motherboards get so expensive?
Click to expand...

Where did you find prices? I don't see them listed anywhere yet.
 
mikeo said:
Where did you find prices? I don't see them listed anywhere yet.
Click to expand...

it pretty obvious that low end boards will start at $600 with good boards in the $800 range and top one in the 1K range.
even X570 boards bumped their price significantly due to the increased complexity
 
When did the expectation form that any platform would be around for more than two years? AMD has been super nice as far as compatibility goes the last few years but I wouldn't consider that the norm. Assuming you upgrade every 3-7 years every build is always going to warrant a new mobo, cpu, ram.
 
Longevity of platform has never been one of Intel's advantages so I'm not sure why you'd hold AMD to a higher standard. I have a dual XEON processor machine from 2010. Just because no one makes anything for that machine any more doesn't mean I can't use it until it dies (which I intend to do).
 
I am more looking forward to 7nm APUs. I have absolutely no use for all the cores of TR.
 
I would wait until the platform matures - would hate paying that much money to just have a bunch of headaches. June to Dec 2020 if I bite or can justify the expense. Have 3 Ryzen machines as it is and plenty of cores to use. Plus Ryzen 3 info should also be available which could shine a light on things at that point. Still the 3960x would be enough as far as I can tell for my future needs if I get heavy back into 3d and exceed the hardware I already have working now.
 
Ridiculous future development on long term basis.
Is long term two years?
Even intel can accommodate a refresh into the same socket.

Ddr5 and usb4 will obsolete the socket soon, don't trust long term basis, bullshit.
 
sblantipodi said:
Ridiculous future development on long term basis.
Is long term two years?
Even intel can accommodate a refresh into the same socket.

Ddr5 and usb4 will obsolete the socket soon, don't trust long term basis, bullshit.
Click to expand...

There needs to be a reason to adopt both of those, other than potentially faster external m.2 usb c drives what device exists that can saturate the optional 20gb usb 3.2 2x2 ports on trx40? DDR5 will probably be way more expensive initially for minimal gains, just like DDR4 vs DDR3 when DDR4 came out, so wouldn't make much sense.... For media creation its better to have more ram than having less but slightly faster ram.

Just because something isn't bleeding edge doesn't mean its obsolete. By that logic everything Intel sells right now is obsolete since they don't have anything that supports PCIe4.
 
sblantipodi said:
Ridiculous future development on long term basis.
Is long term two years?
Even intel can accommodate a refresh into the same socket.

Ddr5 and usb4 will obsolete the socket soon, don't trust long term basis, bullshit.
Click to expand...

For AMD to make a break from the current threadripper socket now more than likely implies this change was necessary to support something. When they say voltage and data, they mean memory and PCIe.

For all we know future motherboard revisions may enable the Ddr5 and usb4 you continue bunch your panties on. As we've seen with AM4, the basis for running PCIe 3 v 4 came down to trace quality and termination.
 
schmide said:
For AMD to make a break from the current threadripper socket now more than likely implies this change was necessary to support something. When they say voltage and data, they mean memory and PCIe.

For all we know future motherboard revisions may enable the Ddr5 and usb4 you continue bunch your panties on. As we've seen with AM4, the basis for running PCIe 3 v 4 came down to trace quality and termination.
Click to expand...
schmide said:
For AMD to make a break from the current threadripper socket now more than likely implies this change was necessary to support something. When they say voltage and data, they mean memory and PCIe.

For all we know future motherboard revisions may enable the Ddr5 and usb4 you continue bunch your panties on. As we've seen with AM4, the basis for running PCIe 3 v 4 came down to trace quality and termination.
Click to expand...

no, DDR5 is a different thing, you will not see it on sTRX4
 
sblantipodi said:
no, DDR5 is a different thing, you will not see it on sTRX4
Click to expand...

Could you please explain then why there are intel H110 skylake motherboards that support ddr3 ? The socket remains the same, the chip remains the same, yet some motherboards support ddr3 and others ddr4 ?
 
schmide said:
Could you please explain then why there are intel H110 skylake motherboards that support ddr3 ? The socket remains the same, the chip remains the same, yet some motherboards support ddr3 and others ddr4 ?
Click to expand...

DDR3/4 needs different voltges, it's impossible to answer without knowing more of the current mobo design but history teaches that NO OLD motherboard supported newer ram standards.
 
sblantipodi said:
DDR3/4 needs different voltges, it's impossible to answer without knowing more of the current mobo design but history teaches that NO OLD motherboard supported newer ram standards.
Click to expand...

You're moving the goalposts!!!

No one is talking existing motherboards, that's physically impossible. How can you eliminate a possibility when you can't even explain a past example of cross memory/socket functionality? You can't proselytize the future so end your FUD now.
 
Last edited:
schmide can you give me an example of a motherboard that has been released two years before the release of the first DDR4 mobo that now support DDR4?
 
Very curious to see the results, but no desire to purchase. I think I'm very well topped out at 12 cores. Even with my mixed use case, I don't see much value in more cores at this point. The 3900X is MORE than enough.

Holy hell, a few years ago I was considering whether to buy a slower 8 core chip (1st gen Ryzen) or a faster quad core 7700k. Damn well spoiled now.
 
  • Like
Reactions: N4CR
like this
sblantipodi said:
schmide can you give me an example of a motherboard that has been released two years before the release of the first DDR4 mobo that now support DDR4?
Click to expand...

I can't even give you an example of a motherboard that was released 5 years from the finalization of the memory standard. ddr4 started design in 2005, finalized around 2008-9, and the x99 came out in 2014. (yes it's an odd case but it only goes to reaffirm how off base your FUD is)

You seem to have drank the Kool-ade memory marketers have presented. Intel may be a bit overzealous in their hype of ddr5 as well. If you think in these times to turmoil around their processes they're going to meet an unrealistic target next year, your blinders are well placed.

Either way if you squabble over a couple hundred dollars, you're certainly not going to be jumping on the cutting edge memory market.

I call FUD and shenanigans.

PS my logical argument considering the possibility of future memory standards for TR4 in no way affirms your timeline for adoption or lack there of.
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top