Any idea of best x570 mobo for 5950x as of right now?

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As I impatiently wait for a 5950x ..i have the Asus x570 hero wifi which i picked for my build thanks to it's 8 data portal lots of usb and 2.5gb nic BUT I was wondering how things are working with this board and 5950x for example vs any similar spec boards from other brands...mainly Gigabyte and MSI.
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I'm interested in the answer for this as well, as I'm strongly considering a 5950x myself.

On the Asus side (and I've been treated well by buying high end ASUS ROG boards for years) it looks like the two potential "top" boards are the Asus ROG Crosshair VIII Dark Hero (which is the newest, made for Zen3 chip board from Asus. It also seems to have power phases rated for 90A vs earlier versions of the board that were for 60A if I'm correct? Maybe better cooling or other updates? However, its a Hero tier board, not a Formula or Extreme tier board). or the older Asus ROG Crosshair VIII Formula (which was the previous highest end variant. It has 5G ethernet instead of the 2.5G on even Dark Hero and also includes the color display on the mobo itself. ) I'm not sure if those elements are worth it given the price premium and vs the updates of the Dark Hero, so I'm leaning towards it as the better option at this point.

From other companies, I'd look to Gigabyte's AORUS line (their equivalent to ROG) and MSI. For AORUS, the best board seems to be their AORUS XTREME (rev 1.1). I'm not entirely sure, but I think it was part of the "original" line of X570 mobos, not a "new" one only for Zen3. It seems to offer a similar 16phase power structure (rated for 70A), and is overall quite similar in features to the Crosshair VIII Formula, seemingly. It lacks the LCD, but it does offer a full 10Gb ethernet as one of their two options, which is nice. I'm not sure if its really worth the additional cost or has any breakaway features compared to the Asus boards, but it seems a strong competitor on the highest end.

MSI seems to have 2 boards that are at the top-end. One is their MEG GODLIKE and the other is their Prestige Creation. They are quite similar, but with a handful of differences (ie the GODLIKE has a 2.5Gb ethernet as its top end and uses Atheros KILLER NICs, but Prestige Creation has a 10Gb built in . However, the picture of the GODLIKE shows an included 10Gb NIC that fits into one of its extra PCI-E slots, so maybe that isn't a big difference). The GODLIKE has more USB 3.2 Gen 2 (A and C) ports, but the Creation has more rear USB 3.2 gen1 (aka USB 3.0 speed) ports total etc. GODLIKE has more PCI-E x16 type slots and I think M.2 drive spaces etc. Overall, GODLIKE is more gamer focused, Prestige Creation is more streamer/pro-sumer etc... but there isn't a lot of difference between them it seems.

Ultimately, it seems the high end boards are all pretty similar with small changes between them, unless there is more to the difference in power/VRM/cooling than it appears initially by spec. Maybe someone more familiar with all of these boards, their quirks etc... will come in, but I think it may come down to price and power. I'd say the Asus ROG "Dark Hero" is the "one to beat" in terms of power/features/updates to value, so stepping away from that may depend on your needs/choice etc.
 

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I'm interested in the answer for this as well, as I'm strongly considering a 5950x myself.

On the Asus side (and I've been treated well by buying high end ASUS ROG boards for years) it looks like the two potential "top" boards are the Asus ROG Crosshair VIII Dark Hero (which is the newest, made for Zen3 chip board from Asus. It also seems to have power phases rated for 90A vs earlier versions of the board that were for 60A if I'm correct? Maybe better cooling or other updates? However, its a Hero tier board, not a Formula or Extreme tier board). or the older Asus ROG Crosshair VIII Formula (which was the previous highest end variant. It has 5G ethernet instead of the 2.5G on even Dark Hero and also includes the color display on the mobo itself. ) I'm not sure if those elements are worth it given the price premium and vs the updates of the Dark Hero, so I'm leaning towards it as the better option at this point.

From other companies, I'd look to Gigabyte's AORUS line (their equivalent to ROG) and MSI. For AORUS, the best board seems to be their AORUS XTREME (rev 1.1). I'm not entirely sure, but I think it was part of the "original" line of X570 mobos, not a "new" one only for Zen3. It seems to offer a similar 16phase power structure (rated for 70A), and is overall quite similar in features to the Crosshair VIII Formula, seemingly. It lacks the LCD, but it does offer a full 10Gb ethernet as one of their two options, which is nice. I'm not sure if its really worth the additional cost or has any breakaway features compared to the Asus boards, but it seems a strong competitor on the highest end.

MSI seems to have 2 boards that are at the top-end. One is their MEG GODLIKE and the other is their Prestige Creation. They are quite similar, but with a handful of differences (ie the GODLIKE has a 2.5Gb ethernet as its top end and uses Atheros KILLER NICs, but Prestige Creation has a 10Gb built in . However, the picture of the GODLIKE shows an included 10Gb NIC that fits into one of its extra PCI-E slots, so maybe that isn't a big difference). The GODLIKE has more USB 3.2 Gen 2 (A and C) ports, but the Creation has more rear USB 3.2 gen1 (aka USB 3.0 speed) ports total etc. GODLIKE has more PCI-E x16 type slots and I think M.2 drive spaces etc. Overall, GODLIKE is more gamer focused, Prestige Creation is more streamer/pro-sumer etc... but there isn't a lot of difference between them it seems.

Ultimately, it seems the high end boards are all pretty similar with small changes between them, unless there is more to the difference in power/VRM/cooling than it appears initially by spec. Maybe someone more familiar with all of these boards, their quirks etc... will come in, but I think it may come down to price and power. I'd say the Asus ROG "Dark Hero" is the "one to beat" in terms of power/features/updates to value, so stepping away from that may depend on your needs/choice etc.
I may be returning my Hero and waiting for the Dark Hero due to its Dynamic OC switch (or something like that) feature that it seems no other board, at least from the current Asus ones is going to get.
 

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If you really need 16 cores you may want more than just 24 cpu lanes. 16 to the PCIe slots, 4 lanes to a single M.2 socket and 4 lanes to the chip set is all the AM4 socket has. Threadripper with 88 cpu lanes (72 are wired in the TRX40 boards) is a better deal. I would wait for the 5000 series TR cpus and boards. TR: 48 lanes to the PCIe sockets, 8 lanes to two M.2 sockets and 8 lanes to the chip set.
 

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If you really need 16 cores you may want more than just 24 cpu lanes. 16 to the PCIe slots, 4 lanes to a single M.2 socket and 4 lanes to the chip set is all the AM4 socket has. Threadripper with 88 cpu lanes (72 are wired in the TRX40 boards) is a better deal. I would wait for the 5000 series TR cpus and boards. TR: 48 lanes to the PCIe sockets, 8 lanes to two M.2 sockets and 8 lanes to the chip set.
No I do NOT really need 24 cpu lanes. We are all different and with different needs. Plus I never play the "waiting" game since its endless.
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I'm still partial to the ASRock X570 Creator myself, even though it has an useless HDMI port taking up space on the back I/O.

Otherwise, it has a decent amount of I/O and two TB3 ports.
 

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I'm still partial to the ASRock X570 Creator myself, even though it has an useless HDMI port taking up space on the back I/O.

Otherwise, it has a decent amount of I/O and two TB3 ports.
How is ASRock in the bios department. Havent had an Asrock in like forever!
 

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As I impatiently wait for a 5950x ..i have the Asus x570 hero wifi which i picked for my build thanks to it's 8 data portal lots of usb and 2.5gb nic BUT I was wondering how things are working with tRAM: 64GB DDR4 G.SKILL Trident Z Royal Series PC3200 C14his board and 5950x for example vs any similar spec boards from other brands...mainly Gigabyte and MSI.
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I love that ram kit. RAM: 64GB DDR4 G.SKILL Trident Z Royal Series PC3200 C14. I run that on my first gen TR build in quad channel. I started with 4x8GB Trident RGB 3200C14 GTZRX. One click in the bios and 3466MHz 14 14 14 14 34. But with all 8 sticks it's 3200C14 in QUAD.
 

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How is ASRock in the bios department. Havent had an Asrock in like forever!
They are a tiny bit slow to deliver BIOS updates on my AB350 Fatal1ty ITX board, but it gets there (got the Zen2 update ~ 2 months later than others). No stability problems, but I also am not running a Zen2/Zen3 chip on there. You may have better luck waiting for other answers or asking around, since I get the feeling ASRock isn't as popular as ASUS or MSI, even though I am generally partial to ASRock boards.
 

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I love that ram kit. RAM: 64GB DDR4 G.SKILL Trident Z Royal Series PC3200 C14. I run that on my first gen TR build in quad channel. I started with 4x8GB Trident RGB 3200C14 GTZRX. One click in the bios and 3466MHz 14 14 14 14 34. But with all 8 sticks it's 3200C14 in QUAD.
I love the look of the Royal series for sure. ALways coordinating them with my Razer
stuff and coolers :D
 

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How is ASRock in the bios department. Havent had an Asrock in like forever!

Can't speak to asrock but asus has been craptastic recently. Check the brands actual forums for yourself and see how widespread the complaints are. hell read our mb specific forum here. Asus has a crap ton of inconsistency.
 

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Can't speak to asrock but asus has been craptastic recently. Check the brands actual forums for yourself and see how widespread the complaints are. hell read our mb specific forum here. Asus has a crap ton of inconsistency.
dang it and I thought Asus was THE one for x570 since it has tons of USB ports and 8 SATA ports :/
 

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dang it and I thought Asus was THE one for x570 since it has tons of USB ports and 8 SATA ports :/

They historically have the best bios interface. Heck the dram timings screen layout is what dram calc uses even. However recently their bios releases hasn't been any better than others and in fact maybe be behind msi. That said I still think asus' rog bios layout is the best, which is why I'm putting up with these imo subpar bios releases, hoping for a winner soon.
 

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I love the look of the Royal series for sure. ALways coordinating them with my Razer
stuff and coolers :D
That Gold Trident Z flanks my Watercool copper Pro IV block. Looks great. All of Watercool's VRM blocks are NI clad :( EK gpu backplates and Asus Hyper GEN4 cards are all Satin metal finish but you can paint them with TAMIYA clear lacquer.
 

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dang it and I thought Asus was THE one for x570 since it has tons of USB ports and 8 SATA ports :/
No 500Mg SATA III. Asus Hyper cards and GEN4 NVMe drives. The newest Sabrents are up from 5000/4400 to 7000/6100 R/W. For X570 boards with only one X16 or two X8 PCIe sockets a GEN4 GPU on GEN4 X8 is the best deal. My own experience with Asus Optimem and looking at RAM reviews I'm starting to believe Asus Optimem is the best out there. Six years of builds with AMD/Radeon/Asus and no BSOD or DOA parts :)
 

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Can't speak to asrock but asus has been craptastic recently. Check the brands actual forums for yourself and see how widespread the complaints are. hell read our mb specific forum here. Asus has a crap ton of inconsistency.
I have an ASrock X570 Taichi and its been absolutely stellar for my 3900X and utilizing all 24 PCI-E lanes. I'm still on an older BIOS though (Only a few revisions back) because I've heard the newer ones have been causing issues. I'm running an undervolt instead of overclocking and also running air cooling. Still, it was one of the only boards that had what I needed and I'm super happy with it. (8 SATA ports and 3x 4.0 NVME slots.)

The only real downside to the board is that it only has a 1GB ethernet port, but my network is currently only 1GB and I'm not planning on upgrading until I can get everything working at 10GB so that'll end up requiring an add-in card eventually anyway. That would require rewiring the entire house and so it'll be a long time before that happens.

Once I put the chipset fan on "Silent" (I actually have a custom profile that keeps it under 30% until it hits 70C, which it never does) I haven't heard it once no matter how much I'm hammering all the PCI-E lanes.

The Taichi Razer edition looks like an upgrade over the original Taichi, but I don't think its a $100 upgrade. Likewise the slight price decrease for the 550 Taichi also seems like a really poor option to me.

I upgraded from a launch ASrock X370 Gaming K4 Fatal1ty and that thing was a clusterfuck to get stable. I think that may have been a combination of problems, mostly due to the fact that it was a literal launch board and memory support was pretty terrible to begin with, so my using mixed memory and 48GB really required some time fooling around in the bios solutions to get it stable. Even moreso after I put my 3900X in there before I upgraded Mobos.
 
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So one board that got my attention is the MSI x570 prestige but I am confused as most places say it has no bios flashback yet buildzoid says that it does.
Wonder how it compares to the Hero wifi...


Also there is the velocita which i am not an asrock fan but that board with 8 sata looks really nice. Just wish it had more usb ports and non killer NIC
 
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So one board that got my attention is the MSI x570 prestige but I am confused as most places say it has no bios flashback yet buildzoid says that it does.
Wonder how it compares to the Hero wifi...


Also there is the velocita which i am not an asrock fan but that board with 8 sata looks really nice. Just wish it had more usb ports and non killer NIC

I currently have the Prestige Creation from MSI. I'd rather have Chlamydia.
 

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I've had a ASRock z68 Fatal1ty Professional for 10 years and no real problems. My only complaint is that the bios updates stopped too soon. I like to see a occasional bios refresh on these higher end board for a decade or so. In the case of this board boot nvme and updated microcode would have been nice.
 

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No I do NOT really need 24 cpu lanes. We are all different and with different needs. Plus I never play the "waiting" game since its endless.
Thank you
Four channel RAM and 16X 8X 16X 8X PCIe sockets are to good an upgrade to pass up. I'm running 7 Sabrent gen4 X4 drives all on cpu lanes. The AM4 socket gives you just one M.2 gen4 X4 socket, 4 lanes to the chip set and one 16X PCIe socket. You may as well buy an M-ATX AM4 board. The ZEN2 to ZEN3 is worth the wait. You waited for the ZEN3 Ryzen cpu.
 

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Four channel RAM and 16X 8X 16X 8X PCIe sockets are to good an upgrade to pass up. I'm running 7 Sabrent gen4 X4 drives all on cpu lanes. The AM4 socket gives you just one M.2 gen4 X4 socket, 4 lanes to the chip set and one 16X PCIe socket. You may as well buy an M-ATX AM4 board. The ZEN2 to ZEN3 is worth the wait. You waited for the ZEN3 Ryzen cpu.
I already said I dont need it not play the waiting game. You feel differently, that is fine. Lets not beat a dead horse, shall we?
 

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I'm interested in the answer for this as well, as I'm strongly considering a 5950x myself.

On the Asus side (and I've been treated well by buying high end ASUS ROG boards for years) it looks like the two potential "top" boards are the Asus ROG Crosshair VIII Dark Hero (which is the newest, made for Zen3 chip board from Asus. It also seems to have power phases rated for 90A vs earlier versions of the board that were for 60A if I'm correct? Maybe better cooling or other updates? However, its a Hero tier board, not a Formula or Extreme tier board). or the older Asus ROG Crosshair VIII Formula (which was the previous highest end variant. It has 5G ethernet instead of the 2.5G on even Dark Hero and also includes the color display on the mobo itself. ) I'm not sure if those elements are worth it given the price premium and vs the updates of the Dark Hero, so I'm leaning towards it as the better option at this point.

From other companies, I'd look to Gigabyte's AORUS line (their equivalent to ROG) and MSI. For AORUS, the best board seems to be their AORUS XTREME (rev 1.1). I'm not entirely sure, but I think it was part of the "original" line of X570 mobos, not a "new" one only for Zen3. It seems to offer a similar 16phase power structure (rated for 70A), and is overall quite similar in features to the Crosshair VIII Formula, seemingly. It lacks the LCD, but it does offer a full 10Gb ethernet as one of their two options, which is nice. I'm not sure if its really worth the additional cost or has any breakaway features compared to the Asus boards, but it seems a strong competitor on the highest end.

MSI seems to have 2 boards that are at the top-end. One is their MEG GODLIKE and the other is their Prestige Creation. They are quite similar, but with a handful of differences (ie the GODLIKE has a 2.5Gb ethernet as its top end and uses Atheros KILLER NICs, but Prestige Creation has a 10Gb built in . However, the picture of the GODLIKE shows an included 10Gb NIC that fits into one of its extra PCI-E slots, so maybe that isn't a big difference). The GODLIKE has more USB 3.2 Gen 2 (A and C) ports, but the Creation has more rear USB 3.2 gen1 (aka USB 3.0 speed) ports total etc. GODLIKE has more PCI-E x16 type slots and I think M.2 drive spaces etc. Overall, GODLIKE is more gamer focused, Prestige Creation is more streamer/pro-sumer etc... but there isn't a lot of difference between them it seems.

Ultimately, it seems the high end boards are all pretty similar with small changes between them, unless there is more to the difference in power/VRM/cooling than it appears initially by spec. Maybe someone more familiar with all of these boards, their quirks etc... will come in, but I think it may come down to price and power. I'd say the Asus ROG "Dark Hero" is the "one to beat" in terms of power/features/updates to value, so stepping away from that may depend on your needs/choice etc.
16 cores sounds like a work station. The AM4 socket with only 24 cpu lanes doesn't. PCIe one 16X, M.2 one GEN4 X4, Chipset only four cpu lanes. That's it. Everything else is shared lanes off the chip set. Threadripper ZEN2 88 cpu lanes with 72 wired. And quad channel memory. In a few months we'll have TR ZEN3. Don't get mad at me. It's just my opinion.
 

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16 cores sounds like a work station. The AM4 socket with only 24 cpu lanes doesn't. PCIe one 16X, M.2 one GEN4 X4, Chipset only four cpu lanes. That's it. Everything else is shared lanes off the chip set. Threadripper ZEN2 88 cpu lanes with 72 wired. And quad channel memory. In a few months we'll have TR ZEN3. Don't get mad at me. It's just my opinion.
The cost difference between AM4 and TRX40 is pretty fucking huge, even without knowing the cost of next gen threadripper processors.
 

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16 cores sounds like a work station. The AM4 socket with only 24 cpu lanes doesn't. PCIe one 16X, M.2 one GEN4 X4, Chipset only four cpu lanes. That's it. Everything else is shared lanes off the chip set. Threadripper ZEN2 88 cpu lanes with 72 wired. And quad channel memory. In a few months we'll have TR ZEN3. Don't get mad at me. It's just my opinion.
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