any good deals on camera security systems?

kdh

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I guess it could hijack your router/nvr and use it's wireless capabilities to connect to another wireless network with internet access, but if your nvr/router does not have any wireless capabilities, that is impossible.

If they're hardwired into your main network with no separation, you're taking a big chance anyway.
Is this how you have your setup?
 

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Is this how you have your setup?
Mine isn't really set up yet, only have one cable run so far. I'm planning to have my server in a closet, with one or two cat6 cables run up through the ceiling to a poe switch, which will be powering 5-8 cameras. I still need to run the other eth cables in the attic, and power for the switch.
 

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Mine isn't really set up yet, only have one cable run so far. I'm planning to have my server in a closet, with one or two cat6 cables run up through the ceiling to a poe switch, which will be powering 5-8 cameras. I still need to run the other eth cables in the attic, and power for the switch.
And you plan to access it how?
 

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If you plan to use a server, you can put in a 2nd nic just for connecting to your existing lan for viewing. The existing nic and poe switches would then be on a physically separate network. (y)
 

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Local monitor, or if I get a switch that supports it, over a private lan, and later via vpn.

I guess it could hijack your router/nvr and use it's wireless capabilities to connect to another wireless network with internet access, but if your nvr/router does not have any wireless capabilities, that is impossible.

If they're hardwired into your main network with no separation, you're taking a big chance anyway.
You are doing exactly the opposite of what you originally posted.
 

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You are doing exactly the opposite of what you originally posted.
No, the plan is for a separate network. I may combine them in the future, but not without appropriate precautions (hardware, or at least software separation). With the right configuration, there is nothing a bad actor could do to compromise a network and break out. That's different from simply connecting your router to the switch your cameras are on or putting them on a wireless network and calling it a day.

Edit : I should also say that was a hypothetical threat. I doubt the cameras are capable of actually hijacking the network, at least without external control. But I'd rather be safe, anyway.
 
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My concern with Chinese made cameras is what's stopping any of these Chinese companies to become the next Huawei and steal our data? It could be a huge security risk. Not only do they have our wifi passwords and a live feed of our homes but also our habits and daily lifestyle.
 

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I personally use Axis, Hikvision, or Dahua cameras. Hikvision and dahua have some knockoffs/oem/firmware lockdown stuff if you buy them cheap off ali express or whatever, but if you get official north american versions then you can do firmware updates.
I put IP cameras on a separate network and use a dual-nic server/NVR to bridge them. We do nearly all our installs this way. We don't expose cameras to the internet and generally don't expose them to the customer/home network either. For NVR's there's tonnes of choices of software or inexpensive hardware. Axis, Hikvision, and Dahua all support ONVIF and are generally well supported by all NVR platforms. Hikvision and Dahua also have something called H.264+ and H.265+ which are proprietary codec alterations that give better compression for still scenes (typical surveillance). I don't use them as we are decidedly vendor agnostic, but they do advertise some substantial storage savings.

If you are concerned with hikvision/or dahua because they could be chinese government actors don't setup a gateway on the private camera network and don't use their NVR's. Or go all Axis cameras (they're more expensive and often lag on spec's a bit but they are good quality).
 

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My concern with Chinese made cameras is what's stopping any of these Chinese companies to become the next Huawei and steal our data? It could be a huge security risk. Not only do they have our wifi passwords and a live feed of our homes but also our habits and daily lifestyle.
After seeing some of the stuff I've seen about the Chinese, I don't trust them at all. There's a lack of moral ethics that runs deep ime, and I don't want that garbage in my home or my country.

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The Internet was supposed to be a new frontier of freedom and kumbaya, but once you put the same humans in the mix, it's the same problems. We need virtual borders like we have physical ones. There's no reason packets from China or anywhere else should be allowed into American networks without proper isolation and authentication. And this should also be the case for data leaving US networks. That would stop some of the efforts to develop malicious products.

And we need to get our manufacturing back. We can still build well, but we've been too spoiled by the allure of cheap prices so we let ourselves go. And now we're paying the price for that. Sure it might cost 2x to build it here, but people are still willing to pay top dollar for quality tech (remember when nokia phones were $100 and now any smartphone is $1000?), so why not make it here, eat a little of the profit, and keep the bad actors where they belong.

Oh, and get off my lawn! :D
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I actually don't even vote. I really could care less what the politician crooks are doing until they mess with me--then we have a problem. :cautious:
Wish I could be naive as well.. but sounds like you need to step up and.get to voting! We are all under attach daily. Our basic freedoms are at risk. Their is a war going on for your/our first and 2nd amendment! They are currently censoring people online..

I could go on and on but hopefully you find the right news source and wake up!
 

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Wish I could be naive as well.. but sounds like you need to step up and.get to voting! We are all under attach daily. Our basic freedoms are at risk. Their is a war going on for your/our first and 2nd amendment! They are currently censoring people online..

I could go on and on but hopefully you find the right news source and wake up!
Yeah, but I live my life on quarter mile at a time...wait, wrong phrase, lol

Seriously, I've got much more immediate problems that take up most of my time. I wouldn't care too much about what you just mentioned except there's a nexus between them and some of the corruption in the local government that's costing me thousands a month. That's all I can say on that atm.
 

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Has anyone tried the Western Digital system(s) that Microcenter is selling right now?
 

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Yes, but they'd have to get close enough to cut it first, and if you have a camera pointed in that direction you have them. Wireless can be jammed from outside the camera's fov, then the camera can be destroyed or taken so any local storage is useless (although a thief might not go through the effort).
Most people dont look at the camera, or just wear a hat because people put them up too high, or if it is a doorbell camera they look down or the quality sucks so bad on 99% of these camera's you cant even make out a face anyways
 

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My concern with Chinese made cameras is what's stopping any of these Chinese companies to become the next Huawei and steal our data? It could be a huge security risk. Not only do they have our wifi passwords and a live feed of our homes but also our habits and daily lifestyle.
Ever heard of the NSA? Oh and google... and facebook... ya they already know and have all that stuff on you, Chinese are no worse than the American's or any of the 5 eye's countries.
 

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Most people dont look at the camera, or just wear a hat because people put them up too high, or if it is a doorbell camera they look down or the quality sucks so bad on 99% of these camera's you cant even make out a face anyways
Cameras most of the times won't help with prosecution unless they're really high res and capture what they need to, but it's their role as a deterrent where they do make a difference.
 

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Ever heard of the NSA? Oh and google... and facebook... ya they already know and have all that stuff on you, Chinese are no worse than the American's or any of the 5 eye's countries.
You know what that NSA, et al are doing with the data, and there are laws that do regulate this (enforcement may be another issue but the law exist). Do you know what the Chinese are doing, and what legal (or other) protection you think you'll get from them?
 

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Most people dont look at the camera, or just wear a hat because people put them up too high, or if it is a doorbell camera they look down or the quality sucks so bad on 99% of these camera's you cant even make out a face anyways
Height, build, clothing is better than nothing. If they're wearing a wig at least you know the color or length. If an investigation takes place (say, a homicide or arson occurs, or other major crime) any evidence can be useful. But whatever floats your boat, I guess.
 

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I also use Hikvision and Blue Iris. From what I remember, every single camera manufacturer has had a flaw or problem at one point or another. Some don't patch them. The one common factor I remember being a culprit would be using default passwords and UPNP. Anytime there is a ONE BUTTON SETUP, you are asking for trouble. If you take the time to do some port forwarding and have a good gateway, then you can limit the exposure of the cameras to the outside world.


Proud Deplorable.
 

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I also use Hikvision and Blue Iris. From what I remember, every single camera manufacturer has had a flaw or problem at one point or another. Some don't patch them. The one common factor I remember being a culprit would be using default passwords and UPNP. Anytime there is a ONE BUTTON SETUP, you are asking for trouble. If you take the time to do some port forwarding and have a good gateway, then you can limit the exposure of the cameras to the outside world.


Proud Deplorable.
Some good advice on upnp, which is a bad deal to turn on unless you really need it. Cameras honestly don't need direct access to the Internet unless they are to a cloud nvr. Otherwise they should only be wired to the dvr/nvr.
 

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yeah but, what's the monthly or yearly cost? i know ring $30 a year per device
That WAS my total cost - $300. It comes with batteries. It runs wirelessly to the base, the base hooks into my network, and I monitor it on my PC. There is a free app to also monitor it on your phone when you're out of town.
 
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