Anthem sold bellow expectations, EA blames industry trends...

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  1. Dullard

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    I got Anthem, Metro Exodus, and Battlefield V in a bundle deal with a video card. I like Anthem best of all three, nephews played it for a couple of evenings while they were down and bought it when they got back home - didn't buy either of the others.
     
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    No boss hovering over you demanding task XYZ get done in ABC hours, and they have no idea or care how long it'll actually take, they just got a number from a project manager who also has no clue but got the number from some spreadsheet somewhere from a very different design... at least, that's the case where I work...
     
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    Games as a service needs to die. It simply means the following:

    - You ruin MP games and I end up with something I didn't pay for a year down the road. I am playing BF4 still almost 6 years later and it wasn't a "service". Funny how those old MP games, if not entirely shit, last a long time. And BF4 had a shitastic launch and many downs over the years.
    - You ruin SP games by forcing pop ups, co-op, and other crap like always online. Fuck off with that.
     
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  4. illli

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    is "industry trends" a new term for people not willing to buy garbage games?
     
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    We coulda argue all day long about your perspective on executives, but really ...... if it's so damned good, what's stopping you?


    Just sayin'
     
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    You have to suck the right dicks to get said job
     
  7. PhaseNoise

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    It seems as though it sold below expectations because:

    1) Expectations were made without understanding anything
    2) Game was completely unfinished

    It's kinda fun for a bit, but then the same basic 3-5 forms of missions grow old, and there is no fun loot train to ride like other games of its ilk.

    It does not seem like it sold below expectations for
    3) "Industry trends"
     
  8. lcpiper

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    One man's loss .......

    Explain how what you are saying works really?

    I'll play peanut dude, I'll buy 3,000 shares of company bagofshit, stock symbol BOS, at say $10 a share. So I just invested $30K into BOS. In three months, the share price goes up 50% to $15 a share, and my shares are worth a nice $45,000 dolla and I'll be pretty happy if I go ahead and sell. But wait a second. If I sell the 3,000 shares that I bought for $30K, and they pay me $45K, how does my $15K profit translate into making the company profit?

    I presume it's because my investment allowed the company to become more profitable. But I think you believe that my investment helped raise the share price so that the individual insider investors, the ones holding premium shares, that it allowed them to make a personal profit the company not withstanding.

    OK, look, there is no doubt that speculation is a part of the game, maybe not the smart game, but it certainly accounts for how some people invest their hard earned cash. And there is no doubt that the insider has every opportunity to make it big when they can buy preferred stock and little guys like me can't. But I've been in the game long enough to know that it's still one of the best game's in town for the little guy, if you're not dumb about how you go about it. I started with Treasury Bills and CDs, because I didn't have much to invest with. They were a sure way to put smaller amounts in something that would turn me a small profit with low risk and that I couldn't dip into that Piggy Bank until it was ready to pop. Later I got into Mutual Funds and those did much better, as long as I left the investing to the pros, I just had to pick the smarter pros.

    I made a lot of money that way and then I started investing directly in stocks. The greatest opportunity for profit comes with the greatest risk, but I made money every time, I never lost. Even when I bought $10K in NVidia and watched them lose over 65% of the value in a single day, I didn't actually lose a dime. I just invested another $10K and cost averaged my price per share because I know the company was solid. I knew they weren't buried in debt. They had fucked up with a mobile chipset and wouldn't turn a profit for a few months. The drop in price was the reaction of a few big investors who couldn't stand to see their money not to double for 3 months and they bales taking losses to get out, so they could take a chance with someone else. But in five months I sold the first batch to cover all my costs and the second sale was all profit and I paid capitol gains on that shit, but it still beats the hell out of a 2.5% CD.

    I had a method, I invested in companies that I knew something about. I like IT because that's what I knew about. I knew who made what, what might be hot, I knew the players and the game. Then one day I sold the last dog I had in a race and was looking for a new dog, and all the dogs I knew were looking too good. You don't buy high and hope to sell higher, you buy when they are low and none were. So I shopped around, got a wild hair, spotted a little guy called LIVX who had just bought Spotify. I bought those guys and no shit I made after taxes $1,600 in 10 minutes. I'll try to shorten this up, I started chasing this and that and although I'm not losing the making is sure slow. It's because I started investing in big open markets like Subaru, or Pot Stocks, and long shots like MoviePass. I have a hell of a lot of money tied up in companies that are not making me money, just tieing it up on hopes.

    I was speculating instead of investing. I've learned the difference, I just have to free my money up if I can without loosing my ass, and get back to what I know. But with all the ups and downs and lessons, something else I know is that the market is still the place to go to make your money, even for the little guys.
     
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  9. M76

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    As one of my insider acquaintances has told me, everyone has a list of 100 people who they would hire without consideration for qualification when given the opportunity. And it's true. The world is run by cronyism, not by competence.
     
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  10. M76

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    That's just it, isn't it? In order to have some winners, there needs to be at least as many losers. Money may grow on trees, but value does not. So in terms of the big picture it is detrimental to the economy.
     
  11. HeadRusch

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    The software industry today is where the auto industry was in Detroit in 1975 or so, completely tone deaf to anyone but investors who honestly believe that the solution to the problem is "putting more nicotine in the cigarettes and lowering the legal age of smoking to 12" to keep the money flowing. When these companies die, everyone will already be rich, they'll just be bitterly pointing fingers and blame nondescript straw men for the failures.
    Let's be honest, these companies know that people....a lot of people....are straight-up stupid and desperate for that next fix. And there is a new crop of "old enough to exploit" gamers coming-up every year.

    Aside: With legal weed spreading across the nation, you'll have more people inclined to "just sit there" cuz there is some very serious synergy between gamers and intoxicants of all types, and nobody is really discriminating when they're drunk or high, right now Bethesda is probably working on a massive online shooter that only involves pressing one button and it's probably code-named "Couch Lock".
     
  12. TordanGow

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    In a way they are right. The trend of producing shitty games loaded with microtransactions leads to lower sales.
     
  13. Pieter3dnow

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    What are your 10 latest games that you purchased that were clearly "pay to win" model ?

    Got to say that it is pretty good with Anthem you can buy stuff with in game coins (earned by quests , not paid for with real money) you never ever have to dip into your wallet.
     
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  14. TordanGow

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    This is a straw-man question.
     
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  15. gwarren007

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    The last game I bought was Riven, man i wanted to play that game after Myst.

    After that I really didn't buy another game. Bought a WII and it had Black Ops with it. / shrug

    Nothing compelling to buy nowadays.
     
  16. M76

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    Yeah, companies try to take your arm and leg, and then back off and only take one arm, and people like you fall for the ruse. When there shouldn't be any kind of "transaction" in a completed product. What they are doing is as if car manufacturers charged your credit card each time you used your turn signals or changed gears.

    And if you think that is a ridiculous example, BMW and others are already experimenting with a "cars as a service" model. Except they don't also make you buy the cars first.
     
  17. Pieter3dnow

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    No it is a confirmation that most people on [H] do not buy that crap to begin with ....
     
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  18. Pieter3dnow

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    Well the origins are from free to play games which need that payment model for their funding that greedy publisher jumped on the bandwagon is no surprise.
    For which ruse am I falling exactly?
    I enjoy playing Anthem. I don't participate in buying in game stuff with real money. Nor would I have to it is all cosmetic crap ...
     
  19. Auer

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    I rented a furnished apartment for years, and leased a car.

    Great times, nothing to worry about.

    While I do have some old vinyl around I much prefer streaming my music from Tidal.

    Video games are not an investment to me, I don't need to own them.
     
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  20. M76

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    You either buy it or you lease it, but never both! Games companies seems to want to have both. Either it's F2P with in game transactions. OR it is an AAA title that you pay up-front for. It can't be both. Well it can try to be, but we see the end result.
     
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    In the end Anthem is a garbage game, boring, repetitive, content starved, grindy, even compared to ME:A, or DA:I. And you rate it high because it is slightly better than the worst it could be.
     
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    I get like 10 epics per stronghold now.

    Loots ok I guess
    Dont know about legendary stuff.
     
  23. Auer

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    Anthem came with my Origin Premier sub so yeah I rented it.
     
  24. M76

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    I'd rather own one great game, than rent a bunch of forgettable games.
     
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    Are you offering me a position?
     
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    With GM1 you can get some of the legendary stuff it is better(on higher GM) if you swap to different javelins to get slightly better odds.

    With that being said you can force drops with certain farming methods but I find that at this point in time playing some of the game and not clinging to the idea that you need legendary to enjoy yourself is kinda where I will enjoy more of this game.

    You can get GM1 done pretty easy without legendary and just with master work. At this point in time steps to bring the level higher with legendary drops will also make new content to easy until they fixed this there is hardly any incentive to drown yourself in Anthem play time ....
     
  27. dragonstongue

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    I blame their incompetance in not allowing their devs to do what needs to be done to ensure smooth siling vs their normal approoach of release in shambles (mostly) to patch which often requires patchss of patches where they often just go ahead and release the next version of the same game ( many NFS titles such as shift and shift 2 is the same damn game besides a few race changes and brakes glowing red under heavy use/speed)

    They sure do try to find reasons as to why some game of theirs is not sellling as well or what have you, try take a closer look at the crap you do then start blaming everything else .. like Nv with their massive surplus of unsold inventory where the first finger they point is at another for not selling as much as they should have so it hurt Nv bottom line which hurt "all their partners" type bupkis (discounting every other action they likely did to ensure lack of sales on top of the time of year/quarter in which took place)
     
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    Looking forward to this reality. These guys will make easy pick'ins, even as my reflexes wane as I get old(er).
    My Aside: How long until the humanity from Wall-E becomes reality? We seem to be about 75% to Idiocracy.
     
  29. Fix Me

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    This is true. I only own Destiny 2 because I got it for free. It's still in the shrink wrap. This "games as a service" stuff isn't for me.
     
  30. lcpiper

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    And none of those people earned their place on that list through prior achievement, experience, etc?

    My current job, I got hired with no interview. And I knew the guy who would be my senior engineer, his boss, and the civilian who was the Contractor Officer's Representative on the contract.

    That would qualify as cronyism wouldn't it?

    Because I used to work for the Senior Engineer, he was my old Regional manager when I worked on a contract with him in Louisiana. He would know anything about my suitability would he?

    And his boss, when he was a Warrant Officer teaching Military Intelligence Captains at the Officer's Advanced Course, I took care of all his systems in his classroom 12 years ago, and I was on another contract where he was involved, and when I was working for the guy above, this guy had retired and was his boss as well. So he doesn't know anything at all about my suitability either does he?

    And what about the COR on the contract? Oh yes, when I was in the Army, he was my Boss for 4 years. And when I retired and took a teaching job doing the same exact thing that I did as a soldier, he was the guy I was working for. And he was around as I remade myself from an instructor type into a system support guy, and then a system admin, and now a storage admin. Now I could fill an engineer's role by knowledge and experience, if I wanted such a thing before I finally retire for good. But I'm mostly done climbing ladders. On second thought, I'll just follow Galadriel into the west.

    The point being, a lot of that cronyism you talk about so casually as if it's a bad thing, is just smart business, leaders keeping people around them that have proven themselves in the past.

    I'm not saying that people who are not qualified for positions don't get hired for them. I'm saying that many are, and many are good enough that although not initially qualified they always rise to the occasion, because qualifications alone are not everything, not everything at all. Cronyism, or the penchant for managers to hire people they know from their past experiences with them, is frequently not a bad thing at all. No matter how unfair it may look to others. Successful people just don't wake up one day and stop being successful, not without a life changing event as catalyst.

    What's more, look where we are going. The Government just keeps growing. Much of that work has those special requirements like a security clearance for instance. Getting a security clearance is both easy and hard all at the same time. You can't have a serious law enforcement history, or a real substance abuse problem. You need to be a US Citizen for the most part. You can get one easy enough through Military Service in a job specialty that requires it. Companies can sponsor your clearance and help you get one if they are willing to do so. Lower end, SECRET clearances aren't that hard to get. But TOP SECRET is more exhaustive and expensive, few companies will carry someone for half a year or longer on the hope the guy will be approved. But people who already have a SECRET can usually get a TOP SECRET so that is less of a gamble. The point being, the Government prefers to hire people who already meet this qualification so you have to go out and get it on your own unless you are already qualified for a job that has other seriously steep qualifications.

    So that is where we are going. More and more Government jobs, most with niche requirements. How do you fill them? You fill them with people you know, who have worked in your niche in the past. The devil you know so to speak. Or the devil that was recommended by another devil that you know.

    Come on, when was the last time you saw someone get fired for incompetence vs someone who did something and fucked over a boss, made him look stupid, deserved or not?
     
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    Hmmm, maybe ..... I think I see where you are going but I am concerned with the words chosen. What I think you are saying is that the health of the company is immaterial, as long as the company's stock price earns it's investors profits on the market. In fact, the company can tank, when it does, the vultures will move on looking for their next carcass.

    I would say that there is some of this going on. At the same time, this doesn't work very well for the companies does it? How does a company get big enough to support the feeding frenzy to begin with?

    I have to think that in the beginning these companies were strong, growing, profitable businesses. People worked their asses off, took risks, the risks paid off, and work turned into profit and a strong future. That this work, perhaps over decades, built many many strong companies and supported many many families worth of people. Their products hopefully bettered our lives in some ways, some perhaps short sighted, but not wholly a net detriment. Then, perhaps in some cases, the people who built the success stories moved on, or passed away, or just decided to enjoy the roses and cashed out. Either way, control was passed to others who don't give a damned about the future of this hard built monument to capitalist success. They just want what they can get out of it. And they don't care about the people who work for it. And the feeding begins and the death spiral ensues.

    These big companies that once trived and innovated stop doing so, and while they die, opportunities open for other companies to move in, compete, thrive and grow. Think of it as a forest with old trees dying and new trees growing. There's always rot in a forest. Question is, is the forest growing or is it dying?

    I can't answer that myself, but I do know that our forest supports a population that has grown steadily for a very long time. I don't see a precipice in sight, no imminent doom although a lot of people say they see it. Somehow we keep managing to hobble along. I do think that we need a good adjustment. The government is too big. It's not a good thing for the forest.

    I hope this isn't too nutty of a reply for you guys.

    Did I just say nutty after talking about forests and trees? :D
     
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    none. That doesn't mean none has any qualifications or knowledge. Cronyism is hiring people without prior knowledge about their capability of doing the actual job they are hired for.

    Not really, if you got hired based on prior work experience. Cronyism is hiring the regional manager's nephew as a project manager, or the childhood friend of the regional director as a VP, or the former squad leader of the CEO from military school as director of production. - All happened at the company I work for.

    Again former work experience with the person in the relevant field is not cronyism. Cronyism is hiring your childhood friend without an interview. (not just recommending him for consideration).

    Some rise to the occasion, but unfortunately most does not. Some do adequate, some are terrible, and still not get fired because who is to fire the nephew of the boss?

    Seems unrelated to me.

    The big government argument is entirely another thing, I don't want to get into, because I don't want to get into it, and because I don't have enough information about it, especially US government as I'm not from the US.

    Actually I don't see anyone fired for incompetence, at least nobody above a certain paygrade. Too big to fail I guess. And I never saw someone fuck over a boss either. What I see all the time: Incompetent boss drafts / signs very unfavorable contract without having someone actually competent read it first. The company ends up loosing a boatload of money, and some unfortunate schmuck who made some mistake during the project takes the fall for the entire shitshow. This too happened, not once, and not twice during my tenure. I mean at this point I'm fine with them hiring stupid incompetent people as managers, just let us with the actual knowledge babysit them, so they don't do anything stupid to hurt the company. But of course they all think they shit rainbows, and know everything, why should they ask the professional, informed opinion of people with decades of experience?

    The funniest story I Have is when one of these brilliant hires asked my colleague for a half hour crash course in the field we work in. I mean he really wanted to learn the entire trade in half an hour, on a level so he can go into a business meeting with actual people who are in the field? How arrogant you have to be?

    I have a first row seat to what cronyism yields.
     
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    You want the Red Pill or the Blue Pill? It really is just a choice right?
     
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    I think we've gone off the rails.
     
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    OK, so I did not fully grasp the definition. Everything I wrote was from a given definition that assumed cronyism was hiring from familiarity instead of from you might say "a competitive pool of individuals", not that it was simply giving jobs to "favorites" or the friends of favorites.

    I have no problem letting you off the hook related to my government. Most of our own people don't seem to actually know anything about it as well.

    I can see your experiences too, they happen here in just a slightly different flavor. Here, it's not that they hire incompetents. The US Federal Government has this thing about not letting people go. Everyone is working toward this retirement egg, and nobody wants to fuck anyone over for that, because people get a name for themselves and even a boss can get screwed over if they run around fucking over the little guys. Instead they all try to make everything sound good, never point out serious screw ups, and they will all retire together happily ever after.

    That being said, things do change, people do leave, and the government is always out to fill vacancies with incumbents first. As a result, your next IT Lab manager used to be a software developer and although he was boss shit with C++, Java, and Oracle and not too shabby coding for Unix Systems, he knows fuck all about managing an Enterprise Server Room and much less about managing 25 of them across 14 military installations in four different countries which is his next promotion. At the best, he'll rely on the contractors around him to keep him straight, at worst he'll make far reaching decisions spending millions on really bad uninformed choices. The guy we have now is one of the good ones.

    But unfortunately he has a handicap. All of us tech contracts have a boos, an engineer who is less interested in actually engineering anything than he is trying to sell this Lab Manager Government guy on the newest latest tech that is not supposed to make his lab run better, or be cheaper, but instead, open the door to expansion of the contract and greater dependence upon our company.

    In short, my boss didn't go to the school of "take better care of your customer, look out for him, etc..."

    No, my boss when to "crack dealer school".

    And he's probably going to fail, lose the contract, and be out of a job, but there are no guarantees.
     
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  36. lcpiper

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    You called it ....

    So how about those Mets?

    To recap, EA is blaiming industry trends for Anthem's poor reception?

    Is that the ... "We're going to make terrible games designed to make us a lot of money" industry trend?

    OK, I'm joking, and I can't point to Anthem, I haven't played it. I was looking forward to it, hoping it was going to be a great little get together with my friends and family title where we could run around farming while mindless yapping about work and life and stuff. Then as the game launched, listening to some early talk and complaints, I just lost interest.

    If I have missed out on a good one that has some legs It would be a real favor to hear it. As it is, I'm actually trying to steer them into playing SCUM with me. I'm not sure it will be what I am looking for. But I don't know enough about Anthem to know that either.
     
  37. Darunion

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    Anthem was fun but just for me got boring after finishing the 'story'. Paid for a month of vault access and stopped and cancelled the renewal on it after the first month. Been playing div2 instead.
     
  38. Grimlaking

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    I got anthem with my video card. And much like Diablo 3 I go to it to unplug and relax.
     
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    Try Conan Exiles, set up your own server.

    Building, exploring, murder and mayhem.

    Hilarious with good friends.
     
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    Agreed, it is a chill game that is fun at the same time, they nailed controls, and gameplay, now they just need to fix loot, and content.
     
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