Anonymous Targeting Federal Reserve in Next Attack

I don't understand this board: the majority of users here would denounce the Federal Reserve and criticize its role and functions, but then when a group actually does something about it everyone screams murder.
 
TheWeazmeister said:
"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world, no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."
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http://www.salon.com/technology/how_the_world_works/2007/12/21/woodrow_wilson_federal_reserve
 
Is a person that electronically breaks into a computer any less guilty than someone that's physically in front of it?
 
ianken said:
:rolleyes: Indeed. The black guy is to blame for the federal reserve. What's next, moon nazis? Stale beer?

THIS BEER IS FLAT! IT'S ALL DUE TO OBAMABREWNOMICS!
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...WTF? Dunno what you're smokin' but puff puff pass bro!
 
Json23 said:
Not in the slightest. FYI- The Federal reserve is a PRIVATE bank that has no oversight from congress and makes our monetary policy with impunity. No audits, no rules but their own, and they are not even beholden to the interests of the American public. (over half the bailout money was sent to over seas banks and we had to go along with it because the Fed said so)

END THE FED!
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incorrect on many levels.
 
The good old copper network times, when you could transfer real gold electronically from the Federal Reserve web site, one electron, neutron and proton at a time. You can't do that anymore with optical fiber...
 
Archaea said:
incorrect on many levels.
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True, but as the house passed HR 1207 to allow for auditing of the Federal Reserve, the Dodd Bill in the senate removed the exact language of the auditing that was put in the house bill. There is a disconnect between the Fed and the information that Congress wants. Oversight is defined as supervision; watchful care: a person responsible for the oversight of the organization. Congress can't even get auditing rights passed as law...You tell me if that is "oversight."
 

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TheWeazmeister said:
Fair enough on the WW quote, but plenty of rational people don't like what the Fed is doing. I certainly don't agree with Ron Paul on everything but I certainly have no qualms about his stance on the Fed and the foreign wars we are in at this moment.
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Considering the mess that the financial system was in I seriously doubt that there were a lot of very popular things the Fed could have done to help the situation.

One failure of the Fed that few take note of however was the Fed's lack of using authority granted to it by Congress in the the early 90's to regulate mortgage lending. Had the Fed used that authority properly it could have in essence prevented the housing bubble that is are the core of of current problems.

I'm sure tightening lending standards wouldn't have been popular among a lot of groups as well but in hindsight I'd say it would have been a good idea for the average American today.
 
heatlesssun said:
So the average person is incapable of fixing a computer or prevent a simple virus, indeed a large part of the reasons we're in the current economic situation we're in now is because MILLIONS of people couldn't manage their own finances but these same people know enough about economics to run a 14 trillion dollar economy?
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Strawman argument.. The point is that it shouldn't be 'run' by anyone. Central economic planning is inherently evil. There's something called '[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spontaneous_order"]Spontaneous order - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia@@AMEPARAM@@/wiki/File:Ama-gi.svg" class="image" title="Cuneiform symbol &quot;ama-gi&quot;, usually considered to signify freedom"><img alt="Cuneiform symbol &quot;ama-gi&quot;, usually considered to signify freedom" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5d/Ama-gi.svg/120px-Ama-gi.svg.png"@@AMEPARAM@@commons/thumb/5/5d/Ama-gi.svg/120px-Ama-gi.svg.png[/ame].' The universe itself is much more intelligent than the human brain. For example, there's no government mandating that PC's be built and supplied to you. It happens spontaneously due to human ingenuity, supply and demand.

Just because many of us are bad with PC's and have viruses on them doesn't automatically mean we need to be treated like children or economic slaves in an exploitative and centrally planned society.

The central bankers who can and do run the economic systems of the world today do it for nefarious and selfish reasons. They make bold promises (lies) that they can't keep. The Fed was put in place to prevent economic catastrophe. They were also supposed to minimize unemployment. They've failed. They aren't gods. End the Fed.
 
EviL-aLphA said:
http://www.sonyclassics.com/insidejob/

Very interesting documentary about the whole financial situation in the US.
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The same similar thing happened to Greece. Republicans, (or the Greek version of them) were in power for nearly 8 years, just like George Bush at the same time he was in power. They screwed around with the money, and the government is broke.

The problem is, the Greek people know the government did this and they want the money back. The government wants to fix this by increasing taxes and charging more for tolls. The people want the rich who make more then 100k to pay for the deficit.

Simply put, the government is corrupt. No different then America. Someone has to take action, but taking down the Federal Reserve website isn't going to do a damn thing. Unless Anonymous finds some dirt on someone.
 
Good Lord I hope they don't have Janek's Box from Sneakers.

If you don't know, find out.....:)
 
LittleMeEgo said:
Strawman argument.. The point is that it shouldn't be 'run' by anyone. Central economic planning is inherently evil. There's something called 'Spontaneous order - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.' The universe itself is much more intelligent than the human brain. For example, there's no government mandating that PC's be built and supplied to you. It happens spontaneously due to human ingenuity, supply and demand.

Just because many of us are bad with PC's and have viruses on them doesn't automatically mean we need to be treated like children or economic slaves in an exploitative and centrally planned society.

The central bankers who can and do run the economic systems of the world today do it for nefarious and selfish reasons. They make bold promises (lies) that they can't keep. The Fed was put in place to prevent economic catastrophe. They were also supposed to minimize unemployment. They've failed. They aren't gods. End the Fed.
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It is not a strawman position to not have a lot of confidence in the economic theories of people that can't manage their own finances. The Fed is NOT a central economic planner. Equating the Fed with evil is like equating the FDA or FAA with evil.
 
I really wish these two groups would do us all a favor and target the RIAA/MPAA ... ;)
 
Really? There are some people in this thread who really need to research ORIGINAL history. No more of this revisionist or revisiting it. The gold standard is bad, check. The federal reserve, while shady at times, works, check. If you, on your computer right now.. have a better plan to stabilizing our entire banking system, housing markets, corporate infrastructures, etc. I'd love to know. Ron Paul has a few good ideas but that doesn't make him right all the time. Even Stewart and those other left wing people only like part of what he's saying. At times he's completely nuts.

Oh.. and why the Federal Reserve? Nothing helps the people there. You wanna really do something to help free speech and have the public ALL for you? Erase the records of the credit bureaus. Time to hit the reset button on those bloated, inaccurate and hurtful archives.
 
satsunada said:
Ron Paul has a few good ideas but that doesn't make him right all the time. Even Stewart and those other left wing people only like part of what he's saying. At times he's completely nuts.

Erase the records of the credit bureaus. Time to hit the reset button on those bloated, inaccurate and hurtful archives.
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Ron Paul isn't a leftist, I'm not sure why you think so. Erasing the record of people's poor choices and delinquency isn't going to result in the panacea you seem to believe. It'll mainly enable a bunch of people to overspend on credit lines they couldn't handle the first time. If someone has a legitimate issue with the credit reporting agencies there are steps to take to correct it.
 
Are they still trying this crap that noone has cared about ever. Really need some leadership to come up with a new working plan, don't you? scripty kiddies.

Still don't see anything positive they have done ever. More taken already popular arguments and fucked them up for others.
 
Bamboo said:
How is that positive?
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Did you read any of the article? Aside from the 5 pages, there's another 20 something pages of information that should make someone hard-pressed to walk away from the saga with a positive taste in their mouths in regards to HBGary and HBGary Federal's actions.

A world awash in rootkits

The leaked e-mails provide a tantalizing glimpse of life behind the security curtain. HBGary and HBGary Federal were small players in this space; indeed, HBGary appears to have made much of its cash with more traditional projects, like selling anti-malware defense tools to corporations and scanning their networks for signs of infection.

If rootkits, paranoia monitors, cartoons, and fake Facebook personas were being proposed and developed here, one can only imagine the sorts of classified projects underway throughout the entire defense and security industry.

Whether these programs are good or bad depends upon how they are used. Just as Hoglund's rootkit expertise meant that he could both detect them and author them, 0-day exploits and rootkits in government hands can be turned to many uses. The FBI has had malware like CIPAV (the Computer and Internet Protocol Address Verifier) for several years, and it's clear from the HBGary e-mail leak that the military is in wide possession of rootkits and other malware of its own. The Stuxnet virus widely believed to have at least damaged Iranian nuclear centrifuge operations is thought to have originated in the US or Israeli governments, for instance.

But the e-mails also remind us how much of this work is carried out privately and beyond the control of government agencies. We found no evidence that HBGary sold malware to nongovernment entities intent on hacking, though the company did have plans to repurpose its DARPA rootkit idea for corporate surveillance work. ("HBGary plans to transition technology into commercial products," it told DARPA.)

And another document, listing HBGary's work over the last few years, included this entry: "HBGary had multiple contracts with a consumer software company to add stealth capability to their host agent."

The actions of HBGary Federal's Aaron Barr also serve as a good reminder that, when they're searching for work, private security companies are more than happy to switch from military to corporate clients—and they bring some of the same tools to bear.

When asked to investigate pro-union websites and WikiLeaks, Barr turned immediately to his social media toolkit and was ready to deploy personas, Facebook scraping, link analysis, and fake websites; he also suggested computer attacks on WikiLeaks infrastructure and pressure be brought upon journalists like Glenn Greenwald.

His compatriots at Palantir and Berico showed, in their many e-mails, few if any qualms about turning their national security techniques upon private dissenting voices. Barr's ideas showed up in Palantir-branded PowerPoints and Berico-branded "scope of work" documents. "Reconnaissance cells" were proposed, network attacks were acceptable, "target dossiers" on "adversaries" would be compiled, and "complex information campaigns" involving fake personas were on the table.

Critics like Glenn Greenwald contend that this nexus of private and public security power is a dangerous mix. "The real issue highlighted by this episode is just how lawless and unrestrained is the unified axis of government and corporate power," he wrote last week.

Especially (though by no means only) in the worlds of the Surveillance and National Security State, the powers of the state have become largely privatized. There is very little separation between government power and corporate power. Those who wield the latter intrinsically wield the former.

The revolving door between the highest levels of government and corporate offices rotates so fast and continuously that it has basically flown off its track and no longer provides even the minimal barrier it once did. It's not merely that corporate power is unrestrained; it's worse than that: corporations actively exploit the power of the state to further entrench and enhance their power.

Even if you don't share this view, the e-mails provide a fascinating glimpse into the origins of government-controlled malware. Given the number of rootkits apparently being developed for government use, one wonders just how many machines around the globe could respond to orders from the US military. Or the Chinese military. Or the Russian military.

While hackers get most of the attention for their rootkits and botnets and malware, state actors use the same tools to play a different game—the Great Game—and it could be coming soon to a computer near you.
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The question is how do you find this kind of behavior by these corporations positive?

I'm not quite sure how you can conclude that randomly attributing Facebook and IRC nicks to real people's names and handing them over to the Feds is a Good Thing.
 
mope54 said:
Ron Paul isn't a leftist, I'm not sure why you think so. Erasing the record of people's poor choices and delinquency isn't going to result in the panacea you seem to believe. It'll mainly enable a bunch of people to overspend on credit lines they couldn't handle the first time. If someone has a legitimate issue with the credit reporting agencies there are steps to take to correct it.
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I was replying to the guy that said Paul was a leftist....

You are also absolutely right. There are steps to take to correct credit failures or incorrect information. However, identity theft, old debts and other things are FAR harder to correct. Identity theft alone can ruin you for months, even years, after it hits you. Sometimes it'll even come back if the debt is sold or resold or parsed out. Even after you pay/settle a debt, it can still sometimes come back or even reappear on the report after a set duration. You can change addresses, aliases and names easy. Correcting massive oversights and lies are something else entirely.
 
bigpimpatl said:
I don't understand this board: the majority of users here would denounce the Federal Reserve and criticize its role and functions, but then when a group actually does something about it everyone screams murder.
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Changing the current system, and method of management of the federal reserve, should be a very, very carefully thought out process. It certainly should not be something script kiddies, with no idea how the system works, have any part of.
 
These guys may think they are good but there are folks out there who know how to find them, and track them effetively, because I have worked with some of them. They are far and few between but it is just a matter of time before the government and private groups start finding them and hiring them, and then they track down a few anonymous users. Then those users give up information that leads to all the other users after the government plants a mole. Kind of like th 3 who got busted in Spain, immediately followed by another 19 being arrested. How many people will the information those 21 people give up bring in? Hundreds?
 
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heatlesssun said:
Damn straight! If these guys think they are going to seriously hack large financial institutions with impunity they have another thing coming. You start fucking with people's money the game goes to a whole new level.
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Boss the problem is the private federal reserve banking had been raping our Dollars since 1913. Google Money banking and the Federal Reserve.
 
mope54 said:
I take it you haven't actually seen the internals of our modern war toys. Tanks can most certainly be hacked, among other various goodies our modern military relies upon.
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Again assuming too much, let me guess you saw the internals in a magazine or on the Discovery channel. The M1A2 tank, while it does have equipment that can be hacked, does not require that equipment. If an EMP went off and took out all the electronics in a tank, guess what, it can still fire. Also if it was really so easy, then why hasn't one of our drones or other toys that make things go boom been hacked yet?

I can't talk about the Federal Reserve or anything like that really but stop talking out your ass about things you dont know about.
 
poopy said:
Oh no. Not the federal reserve website. I don't think anyone will notice. It would be better if they found a way to shut down the federal reserve itself.
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QFT. The Federal Reserve system is a crock of shit.
 
AFTFNJ said:
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Boss the problem is the private federal reserve banking had been raping our Dollars since 1913. Google Money banking and the Federal Reserve.
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Of course, and I'm sure that Anonymous will get it all back for us.
 
Cannon_Fodder said:
Again assuming too much, let me guess you saw the internals in a magazine or on the Discovery channel. The M1A2 tank, while it does have equipment that can be hacked, does not require that equipment.

stop talking out your ass about things you dont know about.
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wtf is wrong with you?

I've seen inside by being inside you snarky twat, but what does it matter? Your bullshit reply confirms my point but you're too much of a goddamn troll to move along without an insult. :rolleyes:
 
pgaster said:
Why don't you read this: http://www.mackinac.org/686

Here is a good quote:

"Each time I hear the tired, old refrain about "the gold standard caused the depression," I wonder if the speaker is even aware of the vast literature to the contrary, or if he is simply ignoring it because it doesn't fit into some larger ideological agenda. In any event, it's nonsense, and your professor needs to climb out of the economic dark ages and get past the bumper stickers to examine what the record really shows."
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Lawrence Reed isn't exactly what I would call an objective student of the subject. If anyone is blinded by ideology, it is him.

The Gold Standard in and of itself did not cause the great Depression, but what it did do was prevent the use of proper monetary policy to bring the economy back from the brink, without which our current economic downturn may have been as severe (or worse than) the great depression.

This is why, in the 1930's Great Britain was being forced off the gold standard, as they realized they needed monetary policy to stimulate the economy and try to get it to recover.
 
AbsintheGuy said:
Ben Bernanke himself cited the Fed as causing the Great Depression.

"Let me end my talk by abusing slightly my status as an official representative of the Federal Reserve. I would like to say to Milton and Anna: Regarding the Great Depression. You're right, we did it. We're very sorry. But thanks to you, we won't do it again."
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The gold standard limited the flexibility of central banks' monetary policy by limiting their ability to expand the money supply, and thus their ability to lower interest rates. In the US, the Federal Reserve was required by law to have 40% gold backing of its Federal Reserve demand notes, and thus, could not expand the money supply beyond what was allowed by the gold reserves held in their vaults.
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So yes, the federal reserve was partly to blame for the great depression, but only because they were still partially legally tied to the gold standard, and as such did not have the flexibility to pursue a more effective monetary policy.

I can't help but think that Ben Bernanke - in his statement above - was being at least a little facetious.
 
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