If you research hardware and distros for what you want, it's usually pretty much seamless. If you don't, it can be an adventure in cli.
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And they still wonder why linux isn't more popular.
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No kidding. I bought a cisco usb wifi adapter once, just for use here and there and come to find out there are 3 revisions and only one works with Linux. That'll teach me. Oddly enough, they all work in windows.
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Sounds like a Broadcom thing
Not all Cisco is high end. Consumer grade products in many cases should really fall under the Linksys banner with their chipsets implemented depending on what's at the electronics wholesaler's at the time.
Broadcom or Realtek. I've seen plenty of perfectly good printers that work fine under Windows 7 but not Windows 10, MacOS won't support Nvidia hardware past a GTX670. Driver issues are an issue under all operating systems
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Well, I didn't buy it to be expensive. I bought it for $5 to usb occasionally here and there.
And I always hear about realtek issues in Linux, but I have to say, it's one of the only chips I haven't had issues with. Broadcom though.... Yeah, the worst.
Edit: gotta add. I have nothing but issues installing Nvidia drivers in Linux. I am probably missing something, but I can never get the drivers to install from the Nvidia website. I KNOW they are in the repo (but like .. under what name? Changes every time lol), but I figure if they are available from the Nvidia website, they should be installable in that format.
Probably are and I'm an idiot. Either way, seems like an Nvidia problem..
The slow scroll speed is a classic complaint that I have seen on most Linux distros I have tried through the years! It's all the little stuff like this that adds up and made me quit dual-booting Windows/Linux a long time ago. I'm old and lazy and having to jump through hoops for something as basic as mouse scroll speed is insane. You shouldn't have to Google how to install imwheel just to fix something that should be included by default......
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You never, ever, install the drivers from the Nvidia site - In doing so you're 100% bypassing the package manager, which will definately result in problems as OGL libriaries get replaced with Nvidia libraries, etc.
You add the Launchpad PPA from here:
https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
So, basically you open terminal (Ctrl+Alt+T), follow the instructions to add the PPA to your system; so highlight the commands as displayed on the Launchpad page to copy (without the need to actually select 'copy') and paste into terminal using the center mouse button as it's simply an awesome idea:
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sudo add-apt-repository ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa
sudo apt update
sudo apt install nvidia-xxxWhere 'xxx' is the correct driver for your card. Alternatively you can substitute 'sudo apt install nvidia-xxx' for 'sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall'. Anthough I never use the autoinstall method.
That's it. So while people claim that terminal is harder, it's obvious the above procedure is actually very simple. I've used the above procedure under a number of distro's based on the Debian/Ubuntu package manager, and things just work - Stability is perfect provided you're not the kind of person that insists on running bleeding edge (and unstable) kernels.
As for Broadcom. I've actually had more success with Broadcom than Realtek in relation to drivers under Linux. Horses for courses I suppose.
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If you're using Wayland, you should be able to control scroll speed via the GUI. If you're using X11, sure you have to use terminal, but you have to use terminal under MacOS to write to NTFS filing systems, which is vastly more annoying.
Use Lutris. I play Battlefield IV nightly not a problem in the world, Origin launches and updates as well as it does under Windows. Battlefield V is listed as supported under Lutris, no problems reported.
https://lutris.net/games/battlefield-v/
The TwisterOS desktop on my Raspberry Pi400. At 2.5Ghz it's a surprisingly capable little machine. The popularity of hobbiest devices like the Raspberry Pi is creating demand of a Linux desktop:
A quick snap of my KDE Neon desktop:
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I totally get that I can install them that way. Which I do. I just want to know WHY I cannot install them directly from the OEM when they provide me a pretty little deb file to do so?
Seems pretty silly.
Firstly, they're not packaged as a .deb installer, they essentially install using a .run script.
Secondly, these drivers are provided as is for power users that know how to correctly integrate the software into their system, they mostly exist these days for developers to package them for installation using their desired package manager. The reason no one installs directly from the Nvidia site anymore is because the procedure was always problematic due to the fact that there's more than one distro, therefore it's quicker and vastly easier just to let your package manager do the job it was intended to do. If you try to download drivers directly off the Nvidia site, Firefox will actually provide a warning against the download of such files.
EDIT: In the case of KDE Neon, the command 'sudo apt update' isn't needed, the update is performed as soon as the PPA is added. So you just add the PPA, then install the software. Once you get used to it, the idea of downloading random .exe and .msi files to install becomes somewhat backwards.
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Weird reference the .run extension. I could have swore they used to be in deb format and that "Linux 64bit" wasn't the only option, but that Ubuntu was in their dropdown. Not sure when they changed it.
I don't use Firefox.
So, here we run into a conundrum for new users, which seems to be the direction this thread took. A new user is going to do what's familiar. Now, this is something that will change over time, sure, but any new user to Linux is going to want to browse their manufacturer and download the provided driver.
If Nvidia offers it, I would expect it to work. That said, when I did download my deb file (I'll find one somewhere to prove it lol), it gave me a black screen on boot up. I repaired it via the terminal, which I am more than capable of doing, but in the end the average person is going to be lost.
I don't see why Linux users just blindly, willingly or otherwise, brush off concerns that new users have. Downloading a driver directly from an OEM (so you can stop with the "random exe and msi files thing... I haven't seen a fucking MSI file in about a million years), it should install and function.
Once again, we're back to this idea that Linux is a Windows replacement, which it is not - Windows is not the benchmark all operating systems must aspire to and Linux is Linux.
As with anything new and different, you're going to make mistakes, and in making those mistakes you will learn. You did so when you first started using Windows, you will do so when you start using Linux. We all have the capacity to learn new things and stating the reality of a situation is not brushing anyone off.
I offered a detailed guide to installing Nvidia drivers under any Ubuntu based distro including KDE Neon with the pretence that people could learn something new resulting in a trouble free system. There's nothing illogical about it, in fact once the PPA is added you can install the drivers via the operating systems GUI under settings in many cases.
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Let's make this simple for you. I can download drivers for every major windows revision from Nvidia and install it. I can do the same for MacOS.
So the two major desktop OSs offer this. So why be different just got the sake of being different? Congratulations, you're different and the way the world has learned to do things doesn't work. I can't wait to learn all those things a second time and different method just because some neckbeard has decided "it's the way".
You can download drivers for MacOS supporting up to the 670 series of graphics cards, no later. So your point regarding MacOS is moot as Nvidia drivers are no longer supported under MacOS.
Obviously your original point of having trouble installing Nvidia drivers was no more than bait to highlight that Linux does not operate like Windows. This is where Linux users state that if you want the Windows experience, run Windows. Likewise, this is where Windows users unjustly claim Linux users aren't helpful due to the fact the Linux user stated the reality of the situation.
Everything's been explained, the process is far from difficult, you're running out of rebuttals so you're getting nasty, I'm not here to argue - So this is where I nope out of discussion regarding this specific topic, as there's nothing left to discuss. You've stated you're unwilling to learn new things in earlier posts, so just use Windows.
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You've been nothing but combative and dismissive the whole time. That's why I noped out awhile back . Windows is the gold standard of os for desktops... If Linux wants to gain any acceptance, basics must work in a rational way.
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As you can tell from the entire thread, all Linux users that decided to comment had the same attitude lol
Not only is this comment blatantly false, but like all of your comments in literally every thread, they don't really do anything to to contribute to discussion in any way whatsoever. So thanks for your perspective that Windows = Good, Linux = Bad; I'll be sure to file it in the round file.
Well, this is the Linux sub forum. Just to highlight the obvious.
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Thanks for your input.
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Using Manjaro Linux with KDE Plasma 5, I can just drag something to the desktop and immediately get a few choices such as "Move Here," "Copy Here," "Link Here," "Add Icon," etc. So I can just grab a program from say the start menu, drag it to the desktop, and now I have an icon on the desktop I can launch the program from. Or I can grab a folder from the Dolphin file browser and drag to the desktop, and be presented with the following options:
Just a couple of examples.
I haven't had any issues with TV-out via HDMI either (the TV is tried it with is a Samsung LN37B650).
I can confirm this as well.
Not with Plasma you don't.
Pretty easy and straightforward process with the Calamares installer, not any more difficult than the Windows Setup program.
I used to main Windows (last one I mained was Win7), and use Linux as a secondary/fucking-around-with OS. Now I'm the opposite. I main Linux, and Windows is just for playing video games, or running Windows-only programs (that I don't bother to run in a VM).
I never had any problems using OpenOffice then LibreOffice for school and work purposes. Even before that I wasn't using Microsoft Office, I was using shit like Corel Wordperfect. I always kept Office around when I was in school, so that I could say check a paper for college in Word before I handed the assignment in, to make sure it looked right and opened properly. After I graduated from college though, I never used any Microsoft Office product again.
Well MacOS is based on BSD which is more closely related to UNIX than even Linux is, but I know what you were trying to say.
I got to mess around with a friend's Steam Deck for 11 days while he was outta town, and I've been very surprised by how well so many games work on it. I really do hope that Steam Deck helps bring even more improvements to gaming on Linux, which is already in an incredible place. I know people who rather than moving to Win10 from Win7 for gaming, they instead play DX12 games on Linux.
Wordperfect is still used in legal circles. I've got a number of clients that use it every single day.
Actually, MacOS is based on the Mach kernel, which is a (now) distant descendant of BSD. Technically speaking, Linux has stronger roots to UNIX, the only difference is that due to the fact that Linux is a collaborative effort it's not registered with The Open Group. Apple are registered with The Open Group so they can claim to be based on UNIX:
https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/apple.htm
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That TwisterOS looks fun. I might give that a whirl
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I was thinking the same thing. Need something new on my rpi.
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When I installed 32bit piOS that came on my little canakit usb it came with TONS of apps, but I was poking around and saw a 64bit version and installed that. No apps. Yikes.
Anyway, I'm going to try TwisterOS.
I still use IRC a lot regarding retro communities. I decided to see if the BitchX IRC client would compile on my Pi400, it compiled perfectly and gives the UNIX IRC feels:
You can also upgrade to the 64bit kernel regarding TwisterOS, but as you found I run 32bit for software compatibility - And I've got a tonne of software installed on this system. I use a 500GB USB 3.0 connected SSD as my boot drive, makes for more capacity and an overall more responsive experience.
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Hmm. I was sure my guide said I couldn't install it to a usb port. But now I'll look into it.
You can with the latest firmware, which you should automatically have assuming you keep it updated.
Do a 'sudo apt update' followed by 'sudo apt upgrade' to make sure the firmware is updated.
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Ok, maybe this is a ridiculous question. But. Why would the linux update status have anything to with being able to install to an SSD? Like.... Does that command update the pi hardware firmware as well?
The upgrade command updates the OS, any software installed via apt, and the firmware of any devices with updates available. This is also the case regarding UEFI firmware under x86/64.
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No. Shit. I knew it updated the apps and kernel, but had no idea it would update hardware firmware. I guess I should have known that, as it will update for spectre patches.
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Tempted not to post, so as to not feed the troll that started all of this on a Linux forum, but on some distros, an "update" gets you just software patches (though CPU mitigations are also handled there) and "upgrade" is used to take you to next version (point release or greater) of that distribution. You would use the fwupdmgr to "safely" (so you can choose) get firmware updates for items of your system (where supported). That includes BIOS, board/card firmwares and other devices. Also assumes UEFI.
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I have been using Linux Lite as my main OS for home and work for the past year and love it!
The only grip I have is with vmware workstation and it not working with the latest kernels. PITA to get working when you upgrade a kernel.
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The only grip I have is with vmware workstation and it not working with the latest kernels. PITA to get working when you upgrade a kernel.
XFCE 4 Life Y0!
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Maybe that was supposed to be a screenshot of your desktop, but that's a lot better
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Thinking of just using kvm but vmware I am soooooo used to?
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I am liking Linux more and more. I still have win 7 for offline programs, I still use.
I don't understand the pissing contest you guys get it, thanks god there is Linux out there and it's free.
If there was a version or Linux I could run all of my programs on and all my games I would gladly pay 200 bucks a year for that.
I don't understand the pissing contest you guys get it, thanks god there is Linux out there and it's free.
If there was a version or Linux I could run all of my programs on and all my games I would gladly pay 200 bucks a year for that.
There in lies the problem. It's free but...
And I'm rooting for Linux. It needs to get to the Windows/MAC level of convenience for the average user.