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Discussion in 'HardForum Tech News' started by _mockingbird, May 2, 2019.
John Deere and Ag have just as much to do with this one as Apple
And Eggman... can't forget that dude.
Honestly...fuck that company. Bunch of assholes.
Soldering ram and ssd to the MB was another classic , but let´s be honest , this is´nt only in the tech world.
Agriculture is going through a similar problem with companies like John Deere not respecting, and trying to cash in on the right to repair.
yeah AG equipment makers heavy into not letting joe fix it farmer repair their own stuff. Soon you might start seeing this with auto makers (Tesla already does this)
There are already right to repair laws for cars
I guess a lot of the hate on this goes to Apple due to them still being some kind of de facto leaders or some such... However there is no shortage of giants in this field that they are doing the exact same shit. Its just more profitable.
If anything MS products are less repairable last I checked.. They are not a small company, and they have plenty of design chops all their own... They could be doing things differently, so can Google, Samsung, Huawei... So on
' the market' has no incentive for repairable devices... The incentive has to be mandated... This can be done different ways i suppose.
Well the article is about "a lobbyist who works directly for Apple" getting the bill postponed, so that would be why.
With people updating devises thats just a year or maybe a year and a half, plus fully functional ASO, then repairing devises can only be a job for the poor SOB's out there.
My 3 year or so phone are weird, but still okay for my modest need, hope it will hang in there cuz i am not updating before i can get oled screen and 5G modem,,,,,, at a modest price.
For (make up some random number) percent of the population, given the choice between a lower cost non-repairable item, or a higher cost item that can be repaired, they will choose the lower cost item.
So manufacturers are just catering to their audience. I don’t really blame them. If people wanted repairable phones, they would buy the few that have come out as of late, and manufacturers would see that and make more of them.
Really same thing goes with tractors - big ag wants uptime guarantees and service contracts (to fix lifecycle costs for finacability) and is happy to trade repair rights for it. The small farmer is the one it punches, but the small farmer isn’t the one placing $1M+ purchase orders regularly. Again, the industry is just following the money.
Honestly in tech I don’t mind so much — by the time something breaks or the warranty has dropped the tech has advanced far enough that I’m probably willing to look at an upgrade. Durable goods, like tractors and refrigerators and such, I’m much less forgiving of. I don’t think of those items as having a rapid upgrade cycle or as disposable commodity items.
Puncturing batteries? Ah, yes, that is why there was an epidemic of deaths back during the era of replaceable batteries in phones.
Would like to reiterate the point from the article that if Apple didn't deliberately go out of their way to engineer the devices to be difficult to be repaired in the first place then most of their concerns would be moot.
Louis Rossman would have a thing or two to say.
We might not be able to easily repair devices but I've also found that they are more durable. We didn't have phones that would survive a fall into a swimming pool before we had non replaceable batteries. (that I know of.). I don't even care that much about size.
Now if there was a device that was water resistant to a few meters, had a replaceable battery AND expandable storage. I would be ALL over it!
My friend dropped a Nokia 3110 i think it was into 3-4 feet deep saltwater, it just lay there on the bottom with the screen on, same phone he also often threw thru several layers of dry wall, resulting you have to put the battery back on and start the phone.
Try throwing just about any new smartphone thru a couple of layers of drywall.
yes my friend had / have a temperament problem. and he is on a Nokia 7.1 now
This is just another toll that another large member of the global technology cartel is attempting to setup.
IMO: companies (in conjunction with government), generally, are moving toward XaaS (X as a Service) in which X can and will be everything... transportation, housing, physical hardware, software (incl games), clothing, food, air, sunlight, your imagination is the limit... the idea being that the rentier-class is going to generate a parasitic drag on the existence of every man, woman, child and animal on the planet in order to satisfy the lust for greed and control. If there is a dime that can be extracted via technology then you can bet it will be.
Ownership will be a thing of the past and with XaaS private property rights are rendered obsolete because your access to anything can and will be removed at any time for any reason or no reason because, hey, you can't actually own anything.
Including your Apple device.
try to get spare parts for a tesla that is salvage and let us know how that goes...
I just setup a hackintosh for a customer running High Sierra, fully repairable.
technical information is even more of an issue. You ought to see the size of the paywalls that get put up. Then you have the increased security within the software as well.
Galaxy S5 says "Hi!"
Same with Toyota and BMW that I know off the top of my head. There are probably others as well.
Should've known that RTR was going to be too good to be true and that the deep pockets wouldn't find some quick end runs.
I don't think the problem is so much that parts aren't repairable due to cost controls (glued rather than bolted cases etc.) but the fact that they are now introducing active electronic lock-outs for repair parts. For instance some of the new Mac devices have a security chip that locks down the machine when certain parts are replaced, and must be unlocked with a special Apple software tool.
Its true and messed up.
Ever tried to replace a Lithium battery in a Apple iPhone? It IS pretty terrifying trying to pry that thing off the case. The adhesive they use is strong. A flathead screwdriver is the most practical way to peel it off, but the battery bends like clay. Some dumbass who doesn't respect the full potential lurking inside that black rectangle of electrons could get into trouble quick.
I took my previous iPhone in for the $29 battery replacement. The battery had swollen causing the case to bulge out a bit. Apple wouldn't even touch it. They gave me a whole new phone (same model though) instead of messing with the battery. $29 and I got a totally refreshed phone.
Yet some of us have no problem with treating or phones like a electronic item instead of a rubber ball and not dropping it in a swimming pool or what not.
How many decades have you carried a mobile phone? I've carried one in some form or another for near 3 decades and over the dozens of devices I've had over the years I've dropped 3 to a watery grave. And one off of a cement floor that broke the screen. Considering the number of times I've handled the devices around water that's easily a failure rate near zero. So don't be an douche and presume you have been in the same circumstances. Also I appreciate the ability to use my device while dashing from the car to a building even in the rain.
I think all auto mobile manufacturers are to blame at some point on the modern cars...steering motors, wheel speed sensors, limp modes, key fobs, emissions systems..alot of them require specialized software to "reset" or program them when replaced. Those programs cost $100's to the end users for a 10-minute programming, because it is easy money for the dealer/repair shop.
So going by your experience, sounds like on average you've had a new phone about once a year, and have dropped you're phone in water on average about once every decade. So for about every 10 phones you've had (loosely extrapolating how many "dozens" are) 1 would have been saved with water tight features.
And here you're assuming I'm taking the holier than thou attitude, when instead this is a matter of you getting a desired feature and others losing a desired feature, namely the ability to replace a battery or add memory for storage. And in the grand scheme of things maybe group 2 maybe more in demand than group one, maybe... I don't presume to know what people's desires are, who knows maybe I'm in the minority as it seems people treat cell phones as disposable hardware... of course this is most likely fueled by carriers who allow upgrades every 2 years.
And I too have dropped my phone on concrete a few times, but a simple 20 dollar case prevented damage. Sure I give up a few millimeters of compactness but I'm not that tied up on how tiny my phone is, form follows function and all that rot
Why is Apple allowed to sell these death-traps then!? Better pull them all off the shelves and homes, and issue a full refund!
Oh I've dropped my current phone into water, and actually used a foscet to clean the phone as well. Something I couldn't do with a non sealed device. And I have expandable storage. Soo... other than the replaceable battery I don't see the issue.
Plus many of the cheaper non water resistant phones on the market today still have replaceable batteries. But they are over all lower end phones. And in my experience that fits the market. Most people that buy more cutting edge phones do so with the knowledge that they will replace the phone before the battery wears out.
Ya we did Samsung made one
Its a little depressing how many, even in this board think non replaceable batteries is some kind of requirement for water protection. Shits sake you could make it water resistant with replaceable batteries and easily replaceable usb connector.. and replaceable anything really.
Planned obsolescence, its a real thing and has been a canon of design for decades now... Certainly longer than I've been alive. Truly shocking how many think you are just full of shit when you mention this.
I remember the Samsung capacitor scandal.
If there are such a thing as planned obsolescence, which i think there are without a doubt, it is such a shame and really we should all be ashamed for allowing such a thing to exist.
I am soooooo happy i have not fathered any kids, damn hard just to look my little sisters kids in the eye.
/ me now go hug a tree
yet as someone who sees the problems and could possibly teach their kids to think and do the right things you would be the perfect person to have kids, however your choice mans that more disposable lifestyle kids grow up and now that shitslide is even steeper
I fully understand that there is a phone 5 generations old that offers some IP rating vs water. And yes it's planned obsolesence.
Please raise your hand in here if you are using that phone 5 generations old. I for one am not. Mine is only... 2 generations old but lacks a replaceable battery, yet has expandable storage.
I can't wait to see all of the responses from the both of you using a phone 5 generations old because it's water resistant and has a replaceable battery.
I know, i try to be there for my sisters kids, not least since i have been the one in charge of kicking some of their fathers out as my sister like so many girls have had pretty bad taste, so i have been sort of a substitute father some times.
kid #1 father = junkie / gangsta type ( baseball bat breakup )
kid #2 father = biker in a gang i had some dealings with for a short time as i have been a similar parasite too and back then if you couldn't get what you wanted you came to me, but this was a non violent break.
kid #3 father = working guy but with a like for alcohol.
But it is hard, not least since 2 of the 3 kids are in the clutches of this brand, and the youngest of those 2 have embarked at a pretty destructive lifestyle at the age of 16 and she turn 18 this year and i doubt she will live to see 20 with the company she keep.
And in regard to her i can do nothing but literally kill the parasites that have their hands on her, but that would not help her and it would not help me at all, so for now that kid are dead to me after she drained her +70 year and half dead grandmothers bank account by stealing her visa card.
Thank god the 2 oldest ones are in a much better working order.
But they are not totally embracing the ramblings of their uncle, but they are also not just dismissing me.
At least uncle are the #1 they call upon when they need help.
I am also not that good of a performer myself, but at least i use each of my plastic bags around 5 times, and i don't drive silly large vehicles to pose as something i am not.
BUT ! i think we could all do better.
Very happy S5 owner here, replaced the battery on it recently , and added a 128 gig micro sd. It still does everything I need from a phone.
I upgraded to the S5 from a Samsung Omnia 2 (windows 6.1 pro, lol ) that´s how long I hold onto things , I do treat my gear with kid gloves.
Basically the first things I look for when buying a phone, is expandable memory and easy battery replacement, oh and AMOLED.
Yep , that just proof of planned obsolescence working very well.
Now yes a lot the replacement people have done are due to significant improvements the product offered... But what do you know? Devices start reaching heights performance that would assure a satisfactory experience for a longer time, aaaaand magic! Glued shit, unreplaceable batteries... Unexpandable memory.....neat tricks and very smart... I mean it is exceptional how well they plan this stuff...