American Lawmakers in precautionary discussions on how to protect Intel from going bankrupt

But if history says anything then propping up Intel under a series of awards and contracts would be the most American thing to do.
Absolutely wrong...just because we have had fucktard political leaders doesn't make that "American". Classical liberalism (which is distinct from modern liberalism) is so fundamentally powerful that it has keep us afloat and made America the beacon it is despite everyones best efforts.
 
I am not sure what definition of AI would exclude something a car that drive itself independently in a road system made for humans. A lot of google car self driving will include a lot of AI training, image recognition made by hands would be just way too overwhelming for humans to do. They have ability to take remote control of teh car, but it is more and more of the miles driven fully autonomous.
AI isn't and will never be used to for autonomy because it shouldn't be used for it. AI is only used for sensors and we should think of AI on cars ONLY as sensors. The automation is done by controls engineers, which is really at the heart of robotics. AI is merely a better sensor which helps controls.

Controls isn't ai and all robotics is controls.

It's obnoxiously important people realize this distinction.
 
Oh its ok....

All they have to do is approve a sale to Nvidia.

Jensen gets to gloat about the return of Nforce. A company with capital now owns the Fab... with enough business of their own to feed the fab. Instantly taking the pressure off finding BS customers to run chips for. Even if Nvidia said they were going to take a year to right the Intel fabs, and then aim to run 1/4 of its chips at Nvidia fabrication. Boom entire thing saved.

As far as making x86 chips... I don't know. Nvidia has the sort of money that they could just cancel all Intel x86 chips in development, and make Nvidia ARM chips the new go to. I'm sure AMD would squeal but I mean if the US gov really really really wants fabs. Problem solved. Oviously I don't think they woudl do that... but they could for sure cancel all Intel x86 develpment. Smash the NV Intel CPU teams together, letting half the Intel people go and probably ship Nvidia x86 chips by '27.

I can't think of a single reason why Nvidia would want to buy Intel. Just because a formerly decent company is struggling doesn't make it a good buy for a dominant player. Fabs are capital intensive and would be a drag on Nvidia's margin, plus the fact that Intel is lagging there means Nvidia would have to buy the company and invest a ton of R&D in order to try to match TSMC in terms of technology. They need the best process to continue making the best chips and TSMC has that process, not Intel. Besides, fabs are largely what almost killed AMD as we should all recall.

As for x86, buying Intel and then killing x86 would also make no sense. You're going to be paying for all of that IP and then not use it? Why do that? Nvidia is working on ARM based CPUs, they likely have no need or desire to go x86 at this point.
 
Why, what would you call it? AI didn't prove yet that it can make value whether monetary or practical, yet there is huge investor craze about it. Just as Web 2.0, Crypto, NFTs, Web 3.0 / Metaverse.

I think there's a difference between past bubbles and AI. AI is being driven by all of the biggest players in tech. The biggest customers are Microsoft, Meta, Google, Open AI, Apple, all backed by literally billions of dollars in quarterly cash flows and investor funding. This is not the same situation we had with crypto, where people were plowing money into "poopcoin" because it sounded funny, or trading memecoins because they were bored during the pandemic. AI actually has real use cases, and the customers that are investing in it heavily have deep pockets and are able to pay their bills on demand to Nvidia. Beyond AI, they're going to need the datacenter horsepower anyway, and Nvidia is still the king there.

It's true that a lot of the AI stuff is basically toy apps right now, but AI as obvious applications right now and the companies investing in it are flush with cash and can pay their bills. This is not what we saw in, say, the dot com bubble of 1999-2000. We are at the model training stage of the AI game which is definitely going to give Nvidia the biggest lift and might inflate their numbers a bit, but there is going to be an elevated requirement for compute going forward and Nvidia leads the pack there. Just because something got valuable quickly doesn't automatically make it a bubble.
 
As for x86, buying Intel and then killing x86 would also make no sense. You're going to be paying for all of that IP and then not use it? Why do that? Nvidia is working on ARM based CPUs, they likely have no need or desire to go x86 at this point.
The instruction set is X86_64 which AMD owns. Intel uses it in a cross license agreement between AMD and Intel. It is not transferable, but that could be negoitated. However it is not as easy as buying intel to get their IP for x86.
 
Absolutely wrong...just because we have had fucktard political leaders doesn't make that "American". Classical liberalism (which is distinct from modern liberalism) is so fundamentally powerful that it has keep us afloat and made America the beacon it is despite everyones best efforts.
It's not like they haven't already done this for the Auto Industry, Lumber Industry, Banking Congolmerates, Boeing, Coal, ... it's a pretty long list.
 
It's not like they haven't already done this for the Auto Industry, Lumber Industry, Banking Congolmerates, Boeing, Coal, ... it's a pretty long list.
We don't have to debate the facts, you can be assured that we likely agree on those. I don't agree with your conclusions. Likely i disagree with your definitions.
 
We don't have to debate the facts, you can be assured that we likely agree on those. I don't agree with your conclusions. Likely i disagree with your definitions.
I am being cheeky and using the term American, as in the action taken by America, instead of the American used as a form of conceptual idealism.
 
The instruction set is X86_64 which AMD owns. Intel uses it in a cross license agreement between AMD and Intel. It is not transferable, but that could be negoitated. However it is not as easy as buying intel to get their IP for x86.

Yes, it's a cross licensing agreement between Intel and AMD. x86 is not owned exclusively by AMD, but they do own x86-64. AMD can't make x86 processors without Intel because they own that IP, and Intel can't make x86-64 without AMD, because AMD owns that IP (Intel tried to go all-in on Itanium which didn't work out, so AMD was able to take the lead on that). In any case, this doesn't change the fact that I can't come up with a reason why Nvidia would care to buy Intel.
 
Yes, it's a cross licensing agreement between Intel and AMD. x86 is not owned exclusively by AMD, but they do own x86-64. AMD can't make x86 processors without Intel because they own that IP, and Intel can't make x86-64 without AMD, because AMD owns that IP (Intel tried to go all-in on Itanium which didn't work out, so AMD was able to take the lead on that). In any case, this doesn't change the fact that I can't come up with a reason why Nvidia would care to buy Intel.
In any case, this doesn't change the fact that I can't come up with a reason why Nvidia would care to buy Intel.

I would think Jensen would not mind getting some of the good engineers at Intel is the biggest reason imho.
 
I can't think of a single reason why Nvidia would want to buy Intel. Just because a formerly decent company is struggling doesn't make it a good buy for a dominant player. Fabs are capital intensive and would be a drag on Nvidia's margin, plus the fact that Intel is lagging there means Nvidia would have to buy the company and invest a ton of R&D in order to try to match TSMC in terms of technology. They need the best process to continue making the best chips and TSMC has that process, not Intel. Besides, fabs are largely what almost killed AMD as we should all recall.

As for x86, buying Intel and then killing x86 would also make no sense. You're going to be paying for all of that IP and then not use it? Why do that? Nvidia is working on ARM based CPUs, they likely have no need or desire to go x86 at this point.
Nvidia is 100% planning consumer ARM CPUs. They are fully intending to compete even more directly with Intel in the windows PC space then they already do in server. Taking 1/2 the x86 companies out out means the future of windows is Nvidia (Arm or x86) vs AMD. Or they could decide to couple "Intel" x86 CPUs with Nvidia GPU. If things like Strix point are the future, maybe Nvidia wants in on that market. Intel has no chance vs Strix... XE graphics suck. But Intel+Geforce SOC with a NV Tensor core for AI sure Nvidia could see that as good business... and some AI bubble protection. (if they believe their is a non zero chance of AI popping). I think we can all see how a Intel with a 20-30 CU Geforce GPU and a Tensor core NPU could sell a ton of laptops. Its something Nvidia could probably have wipped up within a year.

The fabs are only a drain if Nvidia can't turn them around... they are a massive boon to Nvidia if they can turn them around. Nvidia can't make chips fast enough. There may well be zero drain. The US gov really really badly wants to have cutting edge US silicon MFG up and running. Intel can't get the fucking job done. TSMC is fickle... Taiwan could be China China sooner rather then later. There is a very good chance the US gov supports a Nvidia take over of Intel fab and puts a bunch more chips money into the pot to make it happen. Nvidia could end up in a situation where the fab is covered in terms of losses for a few years.
 
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There is a very good chance the US gov supports a Nvidia take over of Intel fab and puts a bunch more chips money into the pot to make it happen. Nvidia could end up in a situation where the fab is covered in terms of losses for a few years.
That would be crazy, but I don't think impossible
 
In any case, this doesn't change the fact that I can't come up with a reason why Nvidia would care to buy Intel.

I would think Jensen would not mind getting some of the good engineers at Intel is the biggest reason imho.
He doesn’t have to buy the company to do that. Offer them a cheque and they will come to Nvidia without the baggage.
 
The instruction set is X86_64 which AMD owns. Intel uses it in a cross license agreement between AMD and Intel. It is not transferable, but that could be negoitated. However it is not as easy as buying intel to get their IP for x86.
Remember when many companies made x86 chips? Pepperidge farm remembers. If Qualcomm does buy Intel, I doubt they care to continue x86. If anything it'll be to cancel x86 to push for ARM. More specifically, their ARM design since nobody else can make a high performance ARM. I don't mean the agreement that Microsoft and Qualcomm have, but because Qualcomm bought Nuvia while ARM is trying to prevent bankruptcy, which likely means no new high performance upgrades for ARM. Considering that Snapdragon X chips barely scratched the laptop market, it would make sense for Qualcomm to buy out Intel and put a knife in x86. Not gonna happen, but I'm sure Qualcomm executives are rock hard because of this idea instead of Viagra.
 
AI isn't and will never be used to for autonomy because it shouldn't be used for it. AI is only used for sensors and we should think of AI on cars ONLY as sensors. The automation is done by controls engineers, which is really at the heart of robotics. AI is merely a better sensor which helps controls.

Controls isn't ai and all robotics is controls.

It's obnoxiously important people realize this distinction.
Are you sure, this is really not what google say (they seem to have model not just for perception but for behavior and for simulation what others humans in the environment will do in the near future):

https://waymo.com/blog/2024/10/ai-and-ml-at-waymo/?form=MG0AV3

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Human encoding of any possible scenario, with priority weight seem like would quickly become impossible to do, same for deciding which road to use to get to the destination.

Why make world driving simulator to the train the AI, if it is purely for sensors:
https://waymo.com/blog/2020/04/off-road-but-not-offline--simulation27/

I am sure there is a lot of manual controls rules that override the AI behavior
 
If Qualcomm does buy Intel, I doubt they care to continue x86. If anything it'll be to cancel x86 to push for ARM. More specifically, their ARM design since nobody else can make a high performance ARM. I don't mean the agreement that Microsoft and Qualcomm have, but because Qualcomm bought Nuvia while ARM is trying to prevent bankruptcy, which likely means no new high performance upgrades for ARM.
Not so sure if we can say that, an M4 ultra will be stronger than anything they do, same for the 128 cores Ampere or the google axion... or
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fujitsu_A64FX, 48 core arm cpu made for supercomputer
or
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/data-c...lGgzDJgDmFvzwPuOb3qy1tpyj8Eu-QZDsyjoeHkA0R06p
144 arm neoverse v2 core cpus find in the nvidia GB200 platform, I would suspect they are stronger than anything snapdragon ever did as of now.

x86 is an valuable artificial moat, if you can use the law and government to block your competitor it is interesting, versus going head on against Nvidia and others in the ARM business, the moment you make an interesting market for an ARM cpu, better find a way to lock like Apple, because soon everyone will make it.
 
Remember when many companies made x86 chips? Pepperidge farm remembers. If Qualcomm does buy Intel, I doubt they care to continue x86. If anything it'll be to cancel x86 to push for ARM. More specifically, their ARM design since nobody else can make a high performance ARM. I don't mean the agreement that Microsoft and Qualcomm have, but because Qualcomm bought Nuvia while ARM is trying to prevent bankruptcy, which likely means no new high performance upgrades for ARM. Considering that Snapdragon X chips barely scratched the laptop market, it would make sense for Qualcomm to buy out Intel and put a knife in x86. Not gonna happen, but I'm sure Qualcomm executives are rock hard because of this idea instead of Viagra.
It would give them everything they need to build a proper translation layer for x86 to ARM to facilitate that transition.
Reverse engineering x86 for said layers will only get you so close.

But I think Nvidia gets there first, not because of anything x86 related, but because of the GPU side of things.

ARM's PC failings haven't been CPU related, they are GPU related, the Mali and Immortalis architectures are fine for the basics and even decent for mobile where things still mostly rely on OpenGL, but anything past that and it falls apart.

Nvidia has everything they need in house to solve that imbalance.
 
Are you sure, this is really not what google say (they seem to have model not just for perception but for behavior and for simulation what others humans in the environment will do in the near future):

https://waymo.com/blog/2024/10/ai-and-ml-at-waymo/?form=MG0AV3

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Human encoding of any possible scenario, with priority weight seem like would quickly become impossible to do, same for deciding which road to use to get to the destination.

Why make world driving simulator to the train the AI, if it is purely for sensors:
https://waymo.com/blog/2020/04/off-road-but-not-offline--simulation27/

I am sure there is a lot of manual controls rules that override the AI behavior
There is too much you have wrong for me to try to correct it all...
 
There is too much you have wrong for me to try to correct it all...
Ok, but am I wrong that it is at least the claim that driving decision, planning, and future decision made by other road users are coming from fundamental model not just used to find stop sign, road shape and others cars....

More detail on Waymo's new AI Foundation Model for autonomous driving​

"Waymo has developed a large-scale AI model called the Waymo Foundation Model that supports the vehicle’s ability to perceive its surroundings, predicts the behavior of others on the road, simulates scenarios and makes driving decisions.

If you know more that the bad marketing, it would be interesting if you can make an effort, 100% of the possible scenario and priority weighting need to be encoded when it come time to make decision ?
 
and makes driving decisions.
This is bad marketing....all of it is....there might be some predictive parts where they are doing path planning, but that isn't a hard problem to solve. AI is useful for filling in and solving information dense problems that lack complete information (like image classification). Using some kind of ML for picking an optimal route isn't really AI, and I don't know you would use AI for that. At NO point are they saying the AI is doing any of the driving...if you read carefully...this is just using buzz words. I don't feel like getting into details unless you can help me out and at least tell me you know something basic about controls (For example make a simple PID in matlab or python or at least help me understand that you understand it. Tell me you understand what a plant is. What the integration step is...) . If you don't know what controls are, then go read and or watch until you get that...then help me understand that you get that, and then we can talk about simple ML and where and why it fails, at which point I won't need to explain it because you will understand it. But I am not a creator, I am not good at condensing topics like this into short essays that are easily consumed by people that don't know that much about controls. I have avoided being an engineering manager because I don't want to make powerpoints explaining things to people....

You can start here if you have no idea where to start....this topic isn't a short journey depending on how much you understand.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBC1nEq0_nk


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there might be some predictive parts where they are doing path planning,
And for what other vehicle and pedestrian will do in the near future, are you saying there is not ?

Using some kind of ML for picking an optimal route isn't really AI, and I don't know you would use AI for that.
It is a very classic use of AI (and a good one because you do not need to have an exact response, good enough here work), one obvious use for those are predicting future traffic condition during the travel:
https://blog.google/products/maps/google-maps-101-how-ai-helps-predict-traffic-and-determine-routes/

. I don't feel like getting into details unless you can help me out and at least tell me you know something basic about controls (For example make a simple PID in matlab or python or at least help me understand that you understand it.
Yes in my computer science engineering program we did control grane to balance effect of winds, robots, a romba, etc... But I am supposing 20 years stuff as little to do with what is going now for something like self driving and using giant amount of data and training to influence the decision to change lane or not. I am not sure how saying driving decision could be more clear (I am assume that what we are talking about here, the important part driving decision, not the simple 4 wheel drive controls systems)
 
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And for what other vehicle and pedestrian will do in the near future, are you saying there is not ?
It would more than likely violate a lot of laws to do that and it would be exceptionally unethical...I work in a similar space and there is ZERO chance our lawyers would ever in a million years buy off on that. Never ever....because it is exceptionally irresponsible to do that.

It is a very classic use of AI (and a good one because you do not need to have an exact response, good enough here work)

Stop saying AI...you could use ML for that, but you don't need to as there are better options without even ML.

But I am supposing 20 years stuff as little to do with what is going now for something like self driving and using giant amount of data and training to influence the decision to change lane or not.

Well that is wrong. There is no responsible way to use a black box model to do what you think it does. If you don't get this, fine...but as someone working here and attending conferences etc.. and having personally met with Waymo (and other ADAS engineers), they have all expressed that this is the wrong approach to solve autonomy. I am a bit annoyed that you believe AI (that has no theory of mind, cannot solve simple math problems, etc...) is going to solve a physics problem. I don't want to waste my time not being paid to debate this.
 
Stop saying AI...you could use ML for that, but you don't need to as there are better options without even ML.
There is better option to predict what future traffic would like using the current data and feeding it with the current time of the day-day of the week to a trained model, I doubt it and seem way more complicated. And google lie on their website about doing so... why ?

It would more than likely violate a lot of laws to do that and it would be exceptionally unethical...I work in a similar space and there is ZERO chance our lawyers would ever in a million years buy off on that. Never ever....because it is exceptionally irresponsible to do that.
You are saying to me that
1) Self driving car is not trying to predict what the cars, pediastran will do (despite google and simulation saying they do)
2) Do not use a machine learned models that use millions of case of what they did to do so, it is all encoded by people trying to put rules on all those possible option ?

Are you really sure, does this come from you knowing about self driving car system (having read on them or worked on them) are you translating from a different field to this ?

is going to solve a physics problem. I don't want to waste my time not being paid to debate this.
That the car flashing will turn left or that the pedestrian that just looked both ways and seem to walk in a direction will traverse the road is not so much a physic problem and AI is not that bad a solving physics problems already.

So you are telling me, 100% in the know, that when a waymo car decide to change lane in no occasion, in no scenario that was ever influenced by an AI (outside the sensor part of telling it road is there, line is tehre, car is there all of this transfered in code and a pure algorithm of if, else, human set weight or priority will be telling it to change lane) ?
 
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Yeah, I gotta check out. Good luck....
I am not sure the tone is necessary, special when AI is so much used in fluid dynamic and elsewhere:

https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rspa.2023.0058
https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2101784118
https://www.neuralconcept.com/post/applying-machine-learning-in-cfd-to-accelerate-simulation
https://www.reddit.com/r/MachineLea..._machine_learning_will_revolutionise_physics/

And a bit everywhere in the field.

We do get shock by sona generated video physic mistake, but it got a lot of them right (and those are generic video trained, not even physic models)

ML learned video game physic engine is not that special to think of, from Ubisoft for example, for realtime clothes soft-tissues physic simulation
https://static-wordpress.akamaized....uploads/2019/08/27140237/deep-cloth-paper.pdf
 
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Intel itself doesn't matter, the fabs remaining under US control does though.
But if history says anything then propping up Intel under a series of awards and contracts would be the most American thing to do.
Letting Intel die would be a modern take on the collapse of the coal industry in the US, there are lots of towns and whatnot that are completely reliant on it, and I doubt any currently sitting politician wants to be held responsible for that aftermath. They are strongly motivated to keep Intel going in those cases.
If intel fails and there is no government intervention, it would be picked apart by vultures and its parts run by other tech giants. The collapse of a company in an industry that's still growing is an entirely different proposition from the collapse of an entire industry where all competitors are in heavy waters.

Regardless, I am not putting any money on intel failing, even without government intervention. Far too many people are in the if-it-aint--intel-its-a-cheap-knockoff mindset for that. And that doesn't even mention the numerous funding options intel still has and the all too obvious splitting off of the foundry business.
 
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Some of you need to go outside. INTEL will come out leaner and meaner. They will probably shed more people but they will come around. Every company suffers major setbacks sooner or later.
 
Not so sure if we can say that, an M4 ultra will be stronger than anything they do, same for the 128 cores Ampere or the google axion... or
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fujitsu_A64FX, 48 core arm cpu made for supercomputer
or
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/data-c...lGgzDJgDmFvzwPuOb3qy1tpyj8Eu-QZDsyjoeHkA0R06p
144 arm neoverse v2 core cpus find in the nvidia GB200 platform, I would suspect they are stronger than anything snapdragon ever did as of now.
Here's the thing, but most of those chips are not something you'd use in laptops and desktops with the exception of the M4. Even the M4 has it's problems in terms of usability. Before ARM you had UltraSPARC which used SPARC V9 architecture as were many other chips that were specifically made for the server market which I would even include Intel's Itanium. None of these were going to replace the CPU's used on consumer products because they sucked at it. As for the M4, what makes you think it's stronger? Geekbench and Cinebench? This is why I'm looking forward to CP2077, because that's a real application. None of those synthetic benchmarks are serial work loads which a lot of daily computing is done on. I can almost guarantee you that M4's won't be any better at Baldur's Gate 3 than competing x86 machines. I'm sure they'll do fine in Cinebench and fantastically better in Geekbench, but nobody runs them. It's funny because John Carmack predicted this years ago.


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x86 is an valuable artificial moat, if you can use the law and government to block your competitor it is interesting, versus going head on against Nvidia and others in the ARM business, the moment you make an interesting market for an ARM cpu, better find a way to lock like Apple, because soon everyone will make it.
You act like ARM is doing just fine. Everyone who makes ARM chips are fine, but ARM the company is not. Even the ones who make ARM based chips aren't going to compete against Apple and Qualcomm. As it stands right now, nobody else can compete against Qualcomm and Apple in therms of making a fast ARM chip. The chips you find in Nvidia, Ampere, and Axion are not built for serial work loads which is why none of these are desirable for anything outside of servers. If ARM isn't making the fastest ARM chips then nobody else will either. You also already have an interesting market for ARM and it's called Android. Except the Android software market kinda sucks.
ARM's PC failings haven't been CPU related, they are GPU related, the Mali and Immortalis architectures are fine for the basics and even decent for mobile where things still mostly rely on OpenGL, but anything past that and it falls apart.

Nvidia has everything they need in house to solve that imbalance.
Nvidia had already made a good ARM based chip with their graphics and it failed. The chips ended up in Nintendo Switches because no phone or tablet manufacturer would take those over Qualcomm. A good GPU helps but it's the software that's the problem, and it's massive. It's the reason why Apple is losing Mac sales and why Qualcomm still can't penetrate the Windows market. If you're making an ARM server then software is probably less of a problem, but the same can't be said for home and business users. There's a lot of legacy software that either won't work or works very slowly on ARM. A lot of new software is still not being made for ARM. Even with that all good and done, you still have the problem where ARM is not unified like x86 in terms of UEFI and bootloaders and etc. As much as everyone wants to hate on AMD and Intel, but their software support for their hardware on Linux is top notch. No ARM cpu even comes close to the level of commitment that AMD and Intel provide for Linux support. I'm not surprised most people overlook software as a problem because everyone imagines their use case would also apply to others. Doesn't everyone just use a web browser and Microsoft Office and Teams? The elephant in the room is gaming and even with native ports you still see Apple lag massively behind. You could attribute that to the GPU, but Apple's GPU isn't exactly slow as it does well in synthetic tests. The problem maybe that the CPU just isn't meant for gaming like work loads. You can see with AMD's Zen5 and Intel's Arrow Lake that they are more built for servers but not so much for gaming.
 
The chips ended up in Nintendo Switches because no phone or tablet manufacturer would take those over Qualcomm
The chips weren’t the problem it was licensing costs for the wireless modems needed to operate in Cellphones and Tablets.

Qualcomm later faced a number of heavy fines for selling their 3G cellular modems below cost to drive out the competition.

Qualcomm was giving the modem licensing away to Huawei and ZTE, but charging everybody else a fortune. It was a big deal back in 2011 when it broke and didn’t get resolved until many years later and didn’t get much attention until the Apple Qualcomm 5G conflict.

But Qualcomm doing that killed off Icera, and hampered many other smaller cellular modem providers at the time. And those cheap chips are what got them as the default chip for most phones at the time.

But with no Icera modems for the Tegra chips any hopes of Nvidia having a cost competitive solution was gone.
 
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Remember when many companies made x86 chips? Pepperidge farm remembers. If Qualcomm does buy Intel, I doubt they care to continue x86. If anything it'll be to cancel x86 to push for ARM. More specifically, their ARM design since nobody else can make a high performance ARM. I don't mean the agreement that Microsoft and Qualcomm have, but because Qualcomm bought Nuvia while ARM is trying to prevent bankruptcy, which likely means no new high performance upgrades for ARM. Considering that Snapdragon X chips barely scratched the laptop market, it would make sense for Qualcomm to buy out Intel and put a knife in x86. Not gonna happen, but I'm sure Qualcomm executives are rock hard because of this idea instead of Viagra.
Alternatively.... I would say there is a non zero chance that after their ARM chip mostly failed. They just start making x86, slapping their name on Intel chips. Tell ARM to take their threats of canceling licenses and their royalty requests and shove em. I know AMD has some power over a sale... but a merger might give them some more wiggle room to ignore AMD. I mean ARM has accused them of being bad chip designers anyway and just buying their ARM cores, doing the same with Intel seems crazy cause its Intel. Still its just a larger version of something they already did.
 
The Intel Altera lineup is a critical component to much of the US Military...
I really wouldn't know. I do know from working in aviation that until relatively recently Boeing's aircraft had "hardened" 286 CPUs running their data collection systems on their 737s, and then they upgraded to i5 CPUs (and wanted to charge us a gazillion dollars for the privilege of getting our own flight telemetry data streamed instead of copied via USB stick. Fair enough, it was more data then a typical USB stick would have held back then, but still.)

The most American thing would be to let a company die.
As an African looking in, looking at your history the most American thing to do would be to enrich the already rich and keep the company afloat until a European company buys it, like Chrysler.


If foreign governments are fucking idiots they might see that as a weakness, but I don't fear idiots.
Okayyyyyyyy. Did you forget your Xanax this morning or something?
 
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