5150Joker
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Since NAVI was pretty much purpose built for Sony and I'm assuming MS, AMD should be able to use economies of scale and lower the price on the PC part.
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Since NAVI was pretty much purpose built for Sony and I'm assuming MS, AMD should be able to use economies of scale and lower the price on the PC part.
Since NAVI was pretty much purpose built for Sony and I'm assuming MS, AMD should be able to use economies of scale and lower the price on the PC part.
I think so too, and it was good enough that Sony said " we will take it"The architecture was designed by AMD for AMD.
Believing that rumor, is no better than believing the Adored TV rumors.
It makes ZERO sense that AMD purpose built an architecture for Sony.
The architecture was designed by AMD for AMD.
AMD will purpose build SoCs implementations for Sony and Microsoft.
I think it'd be silly to assume that application for sony/microsoft consoles didn't play a role in navi development, you're looking at an install base in the tens of millions.
Allegedly, Koduri saw up to a massive 2/3 of his engineering team devoted exclusively to Navi against his wishes, which resulted in a final RX Vega product Koduri was displeased with as resources and engineering hours were much lower than anticipated.
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Pull on that thread and it sheds more light on Vega's troubled development, due to the majority of Koduri's engineering team being swiped away not just to work on Navi, but to work on Navi for Sony.
Does anyone else feel that nvidia super/potential refresh of rtx indicates that navi is competitive?
No, I see it as business as usual for NV.
Believing that rumor, is no better than believing the Adored TV rumors.
It makes ZERO sense that AMD purpose built an architecture for Sony.
The architecture was designed by AMD for AMD.
AMD will purpose build SoCs implementations for Sony and Microsoft.
Don't worry, I'm waiting for them to announce their next gen "6670" card, then I can say that, just like with my i740, I have a very early pre-release card from a major manufacturer. <3 <3 <3Thanks for the link!
I wonder if there will be a 5800...
indicates that navi is competitive
If Apple decides to totally dick over its 'pro' user base & punt the Mac Pro, then we will get more consumer-oriented details on Navi at E3, a week later...
Since NAVI was pretty much purpose built for Sony and I'm assuming MS, AMD should be able to use economies of scale and lower the price on the PC part.
Console partners always have a hand in design of new SoC. If their new consoles use the Navi architecture, then it stands to reason that AMD could easily port it to PC and benefit from the sales of the Navi architecture on console to lower their prices. And to your question of whether Sony engineers understand GPU/CPU development, of course they do. How else did they custom design their consoles and other products in the past? DX is a MS product so they certainly understand GPUs very well so they would know exactly what they want and how to implement it. I think when AMD releases it's financial results a year or two from now, we'll see Navi mentioned for Sony/MS and those millions of sales will impact the ability of AMD to lower the prices of Navi from top down for the PC.
If Apple announces new Mac Pros at WWDC tomorrow, we may also get some info on Navi...
If Apple decides to totally dick over its 'pro' user base & punt the Mac Pro, then we will get more consumer-oriented details on Navi at E3, a week later...
well that has never happened before... right...? right??
I see your sneaky attempt to move the goal post.
Earlier, you claimed that Navi (as an architecture) was build for Sony.
Now, you are saying that the SoC (which is one specific application of Navi) was build for Sony.
It's been long rumored Navi was being tailored specifically for Sony and possibly MS consoles. This is not new information and no goal posts were moved. When I mentioned SoC, I'm specifically talking about the Navi architecture that's used in it.
“What we have done with Sony is really architect something for their application, for their special sauce,” Dr. Su told Jim Cramer of CNBC’s Mad Money after its Q1 earnings were announced.
It's been long rumored Navi was being tailored specifically for Sony and possibly MS consoles. This is not new information and no goal posts were moved. When I mentioned SoC, I'm specifically talking about the Navi architecture that's used in it.
“What we have done with Sony is really architect something for their application, for their special sauce,” Dr. Su told Jim Cramer of CNBC’s Mad Money after its Q1 earnings were announced.
By long rumored, you mean that same one rumor that some people keep treating as fact, that I tore apart above for it's absolutely ridiculous claims that Vega Development was killed to build a architecture for Sony, for 4 or 5 years in the future.
Of course they architected something for Sony. An SoC for PS5 with whatever AMD IP Sony wanted. When Xbox Next is announced, they will say similar things about the SoC for Xbox Next.
That is merely a rumor, yet you've mentioned it as if it was a fact.
You should have started your sentence with "It was once rumored that..." or something similar.
I think it'd be silly to assume that application for sony/microsoft consoles didn't play a role in navi development, you're looking at an install base in the tens of millions.
Tore down with evidence or your own conjecture?
yes but that doesn't make true that they built it only for sony or anything, ofcourse they are taking consoles in mind when building any architecture. They just announced partnership with Samsung licensing the IP of RDNA architecture. That to me is a big sign that RDNA is going to be a highly scalable architecture once said and done.
Rumor is RX 5700 series is going to be first go at RDNA and likely isn't fully baked and full implementation of RDNA will be the big Navi. We shall see.
I mean nonsense rumor vs logic.
It makes no sense to sabotage Vega to work on Navi, let alone doing it at the behest of Sony, not for AMD who desperately needed Vega income, not for Sony that presumably paid a large pile of cash for such a diversion of resource (in hidden payments that never showed up in AMD financials?) , only to have Navi go to everyone, including it's competitors?
It's utterly bereft of logic, from every perspective.
The bottom line is that unsubstantiated rumors have no value, and should obviously be viewed with heavy skepticism, before we even get to logically pulling them apart.
I don't know why you would believe in this sort of self sabotage from AMD, after just one unsubstantiated rumor, but I also wonder Why does flat Earth belief still exist?
Next time I'll use crayons for you
Did I ever claim that Vega was hobbled by Navi?
It's central to the rumor you constantly reference as fact.
Navi looks mediocre from these stats. RTX 2070 performance for $500 woohoo! What makes this any better when Nvidia at least offers raytracing and Navi doesn't? Slightly better watt per performance?
Traditionally AMD GPUs have run HOTTER and more hungry than Nvidia gpus while performing slightly slower. Can this reverse the trend?
AMD has run out the RX series 3 consecutive years. Same gpu, different name. Can they at least improve on their midrange performance or is this just a 7nm rebadged RX 590?
As for beating the 2080 Ti, not a chance in hell with that die size.
AMD content for second place. Just market more buzzwords but medicore performance. Radeon VII was a joke and probably lost them more money than it made them. Navi looks to be same disappointing category.
Why bother AMD if you just gonna mail it in? Gone are the days when they ship out 4870 or even 5870 that challenges for the title of fastest GPU. AMD produces cheap, bland, oatmeal video cards. It is safely profitable and nowhere fast enough for enthusiasts. Hate to see it but their CPU division far outstrips GPU division. They should just sell off Radeon brand to a 3rd party and focus on their CPUs at this rate.
Sorry to come off negative but it feels like different day, same old s*** coming out from the red team on the GPU front.
We've got AMD's CEO saying they built Navi pretty much for Sony but I guess she's lying too or just making shit up.
Well shit, time for AMD to pack it in, vjhawk has spoken.
But leaves desktop users hoping for real competition with Nvidia video cards out in the cold.
The console world is what justifies dumbing down Navi. As long as it makes profit and AMD can sell millions of units to Sony, etc. why would they care about pushing desktop performance to the next level? It's still s***ty and I'll complain if I want to.
Whatever dude. I know AMD is marketing Navi for consoles. That is why the tech is dumbed down. It's a console technology that is ported for desktop usage. Navi is crap for a desktop graphics card but high end/next gen for consoles. It's profitable for AMD. But leaves desktop users hoping for real competition with Nvidia video cards out in the cold.
The console world is what justifies dumbing down Navi. As long as it makes profit and AMD can sell millions of units to Sony, etc. why would they care about pushing desktop performance to the next level? It's still s***ty and I'll complain if I want to.
We've got AMD's CEO implying they built Navi pretty much for Sony but I guess she's lying too or just making shit up.
No, she is just using execu speak aka gilding the lily. She can't say "we developed this and thought it would be good enough for sony".We've got AMD's CEO implying they built Navi pretty much for Sony but I guess she's lying too or just making shit up.
They never said they would.They won't get close to 2080 Ti with Navi.
Ford never said the mustang competes with Ferrari yet...