cybereality
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Yeah, clearly this is the absolute best angle for the product. It will probably trade blows in an unbiased review.It do annoy me they benched in strange brigade which are a team red title, i would be much more interested in seeing if the new architecture had any say in titles that are considered to be team green titles.
BUT wont be long now before we will see.
Unless they are going back to the old-style naming, e.g. RX 5770.I believe AMD messed up with one of their presentation slides, noting the "Radeon 5700-series GPUs", which should have been the "Radeon 5000-series GPUs", now others are quoting this '5700-series' malarkey...
Catchy name isn't ?Is it odd that I’m more interested in the RDNA architecture than the performance of it?
Yeah, clearly this is the absolute best angle for the product. It will probably trade blows in an unbiased review.
I believe AMD messed up with one of their presentation slides, noting the "Radeon 5700-series GPUs", which should have been the "Radeon 5000-series GPUs", now others are quoting this '5700-series' malarkey...
Hoping we will see:
Radeon 5500 = 1660
Radeon 5600 = 2060
Radeon 5700 = 2070
Radeon 5800 = 2080
Radeon 5900 = 2080 Ti
They won't get close to 2080 Ti with Navi.
I own a 2080ti. I wished 5700 beat the shit out of it but we know it cant, not yet.
Well it would not matter if AMD would match the price for the card ...I own a 2080ti. I wished 5700 beat the shit out of it but we know it cant, not yet.
I was a bit surprised to see it was monolithic build, i was kinda expecting the chiplet approach.
Is it odd that I’m more interested in the RDNA architecture than the performance of it?
You and AMD are in the same boat. They have to present a confidant face for Navi. It's already being designed into the APU for the PS5. If the technology is junk Sony will pull the contract and that's decent chunk of change for AMD.
Also, if Sony is doing it, there is a high likelihood that Navi will end up in the next Xbox as well.
They need low power, decent capability APUs for these consoles.
I just hope Navi can scale because "kind of" beating a 2070 on an AMD sponsored title is not entirely exciting.
I'm kind of thinking I will end up getting the cheapest AMD option that exceeds the performance of whatever they decide will go in the PS5. If I'm going to upgrade from my aging GTX970 I want to be at least getting next gen console level graphics performacne.
I believe AMD messed up with one of their presentation slides, noting the "Radeon 5700-series GPUs", which should have been the "Radeon 5000-series GPUs", now others are quoting this '5700-series' malarkey...
Hoping we will see:
Radeon 5500 = 1660
Radeon 5600 = 2060
Radeon 5700 = 2070
Radeon 5800 = 2080
Radeon 5900 = 2080 Ti
So competing with a 2070 at 450mm2 that isn't squeezed to the limit seems plausible
They won't get close to 2080 Ti with Navi.
RDNA = Radeon Dominating Nvidia Always.
I was a bit surprised to see it was monolithic build, i was kinda expecting the chiplet approach.
And yeah 2080ti thats a whole other performance and price bracket, if they could beat 2080ti with what is coming, common sense dictate the price would be according to that, and i an not going to spend that kind of money, not even if i was on a 1440 / 4K monitor.
Here cheapest 2080ti are a zotac to the tune of 1200 USD
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Courtesy of guru 3d.
10% faster puts it at right above vega 64 performance, a card you can get for $399 today. You can get a vega 56 for $270 and easily get vega 64+ performance with undervolting and overclocking
Thanks but no thanks AMD.
Well you got what you wanted in a different way, they stepped away from GCN and if the lower end stuff is looking good then we know the bigger Navi that is coming might do great. Biggest problem is both companies are charging too much for the cards compared to the performance uplift.
RDNA... Radeon Does Nothing At
That's just it. Even if it's 10% above Vega, it's complete stagnation in terms of price/performance at $450-500.
The state of the PC GPU market really stinks.
You need to thank the people at Nvidia for that . And of course the people who kept buying Nvidia without their patronage this excellent segmentation. Talking about something many people on here helped to create and then complain about it.
Yeah same performance as Vega xx at the same price & power level are not good news, +10% don't sound like much for a new product from a lagging brand no matter if we talk about low / mid / high end solutions.
Coming from behind i would honestly expect more than that.
Only + to me would be if they could sell Vega XX performance now but at a significant lower price point, and since Vega xx cards have been dropping a lot in price and are still in the pipeline, then it don't make much sense to put a new product on the market with close to same performance and price.
Anyways i am sure as hell not going to update to a Vega xx card, though as a 1080P / 144hz guy i don't really need much more than that, not least factoring in that when it come to games i really cant find anything new i would take a chance on.
IF i am going to play anything now, i think it would be best if it was single player and bundled with say a new GFX card. Current multiplayer games pretty much all trigger " O hell no" in me at the first glance. so even if i got one of those as a bundle i don't think i would install it.
Courtesy of guru 3d.
10% faster puts it at right above vega 64 performance, a card you can get for $399 today. You can get a vega 56 for $270 and easily get vega 64+ performance with undervolting and overclocking
Thanks but no thanks AMD.
AMD has already stopped making Vega and it is going to be sold out soon, so it doesn't matter,
it does matter
AMD offered the same performance two years ago for the same price.
You need to thank the people at Nvidia for that . And of course the people who kept buying Nvidia without their patronage this excellent segmentation. Talking about something many people on here helped to create and then complain about it.
This all day long! Exciting to see product reveals. But how are we supposed to care about the same price/performance bracket repackaged over and over. We should be getting this performance in the $250 range three years down the road.The rumored $450-500 price is pretty rotten for RTX 2070-level performance, if true. And going from AMD's track record with their own benchmarks, it's going to perform at or below 2070, no doubt.
On a side note, I still have an HD 5800 running in an old Alienware laptop -- we've come full circle.
If these assumptions stand, it's disheartening knowing GTX 1080 launched over three years ago at this price point. All in all, it's sad and disappointing the price/performance has barely budged in over 3 years. AMD can posit the die shrink, power improvements, new features etc until they're blue in the face (like nV did with the 2x RTX series): at the end of the day, there's nothing here that moves the needle.
I don't know what nVidia was thinking by pushing RTX on consumers
They broke the chicken and the egg paradox of new technology, really mostly at their own expense.
At their own expense? I beg to differ with a $500 increase generation to generation on the founders edition 1080Ti / 2080Ti.
GeForce RTX 2070 is 10% faster than Radeon RX Vega 64
If it's at least as fast as the GeForce RTX 2070, then it's 10% faster than the Radeon RX Vega 64