Mister Natural
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NIce review, nice card, thanks. However I'm gonna wait until December to see what Nvidia brings to the table. After all Santa Claus will be coming....
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Gigabyte 5870 is back in stock @ NewEgg as I post this - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125299&cm_re=5870-_-14-125-299-_-Product
^ and if it won't be out in December how long will you wait?
I ask because this is an important question, many people like to wait and see what the competition has in store, and I completely understand why, but with computer hardware there is always something better around the corner, and sometimes, at least in my opinion, just go ahead and drop the ball and experience fast performance now, then upgrade later if wanted/needed, if you keep waiting there is no telling how long the wait will be and you'll be missing out on all the time you could be spending with better gameplay right now, JMO
NIce review, nice card, thanks. However I'm gonna wait until December to see what Nvidia brings to the table. After all Santa Claus will be coming....
NIce review, nice card, thanks. However I'm gonna wait until December to see what Nvidia brings to the table. After all Santa Claus will be coming....
I waited for the R600 since it was a total system build, the 8800GTXs were $350 when I went SLI.I think we all remember the R600. Waiting isn't always a good idea.
Really ? : /
Any word on a custom cooling oc version ?
Asus said they were releasing a voltage tweaked highly oc'ed version (i think it was 1ghz core and 5.2ghz memory)
I've made a small comparison between HD5870 and other popular cards of today at both 1920x1080 4xAA and 2560x1200 4xAA resolutions in latest games.
The results are as follows:
HD5870 VS
GTX295 +7%
GTX285 -30%
GTX280 -41%
GTX275 -35%
GTX260 -61% (192SP's)
GTX260 -56% (216SP's)
GTS250 -86%
9800GTX -96%
8800GT -113%
9600GT -130%
8600GTS -236%
Sorry for my ignorance, but is the card pre oc'ed ? or is it just options on the default card for oc ?
Exactly and thats what makes the Batman PhysX demo so pathetic. Instead of using scripted effects vs. PhysX GPU effects, they just show it with effects on vs. effects off.
Its like we have never seen destructable objects before
Moving capes
Flying papers
Smoke that comes out of crates
Or debree that moves in the air
No game before have been capable of having sparks coming out of broken equipment
No, you need PHYSX!!
Kyle, I realize you guys here are sold on the 5870. There's a good reason for that, it's a dam fine card. That said, if there are people like me who aren't hurting for peformance, and are in a current gen card from either camp(especially a multi GPU setup) you would still push them into spending on ATI now instead of waiting to see what NV brings to the table? Seriously? Come on man I know your all hyped up on the latest offerings(5870, eyefinity etc) from AMD but get serious dude. Like I mentioned in an earlier post if your hurting for performance then great go for it. But if you have great performance now and room to spare in most games I don't think it's a bad move to wait. Yes, I know your dropping hints to elude to the fact that Nvidia isn't gonna make a GT300 release by year's end, but even still I stand by what I said. I don't think thats bad advice. Hell if people wanna drop the cash and buy a new ati card, by all means have at it, but I don't think people waiting to see what the other camp has in store is a bad move if you can.
It's a win win by waiting. If NV doesn't bring anything better to the table then their prices will drop on both camps cards. In which case you pick up your card(cards) of choice from either company and probably cheaper than the price for the 5870 now.On the other hand if NV has a better performer then you can anti up for that one and say well it made sense to wait. I don't see how this is a bad thing to do. Sorry.
Kyle, I realize you guys here are sold on the 5870. There's a good reason for that, it's a dam fine card. That said, if there are people like me who aren't hurting for peformance, and are in a current gen card from either camp(especially a multi GPU setup) you would still push them into spending on ATI now instead of waiting to see what NV brings to the table? Seriously? Come on man I know your all hyped up on the latest offerings(5870, eyefinity etc) from AMD but get serious dude. Like I mentioned in an earlier post if your hurting for performance then great go for it. But if you have great performance now and room to spare in most games I don't think it's a bad move to wait. Yes, I know your dropping hints to elude to the fact that Nvidia isn't gonna make a GT300 release by year's end, but even still I stand by what I said. I don't think thats bad advice. Hell if people wanna drop the cash and buy a new ati card, by all means have at it, but I don't think people waiting to see what the other camp has in store is a bad move if you can.
It's a win win by waiting. If NV doesn't bring anything better to the table then their prices will drop on both camps cards. In which case you pick up your card(cards) of choice from either company and probably cheaper than the price for the 5870 now.On the other hand if NV has a better performer then you can anti up for that one and say well it made sense to wait. I don't see how this is a bad thing to do. Sorry.
Actually I find it funny.
Why?
Becuase Kyle (and [H]ard) has been accused of being in NVIDIA's "camp" by AMD-fans.
That postualte can now roll over and die
.oO(Until somethings changes and they forget all about this and the circle starts all over again)
Same thing will happen if the GT300 tears the GPU market a new one.
Kyle's vote (and voice) is where the performance is.
That is why [H]ard is my primary revirew-site...no BS say it like it is talk.
Even if I am in the same boat as you (GTX285 GPU in main rig(1600x1200 gaming)) and will await NVIDIA's offerings before picking one.
Why don't game companies just grab a full core on my quad core and use that for physics? Or maybe two full cores? Oh yeah cause Nvidia is paying them moneys... /slap
Games are getting better and better at this, I agree that there is a lot of room left in Quad-Core CPUs for Physics, and they are very underutilized. One thing DX11 has is multithreading,so driver, dx runtime and the application can run in separate threads, this should naturally make DX11 games more multithreaded.
I wasn't saying Kyle was pro AMD at all bro. I wasn't even remotely implying it. Seriously if i wanted to call him on it I would have and not minced words however that was not my intent. I was simply saying he seemed to be steering some people in this thread toward the 5870 and implying that waiting for nvidia really made no sense. That's the part I disagree with, that's all. I have also said mnay times already that the 5870 is 1 dam fine card but not 1 I would drop cash on if you own a current gen card from either camp. That is all.
It wasn't directed at you, so don't worry
I hate to have to do this, but I have to correct you guys on some of the misinformation I see repeated on this forum again and again. You need to look at the math behind the physics effects and see why people choose what they do.
Different effects need different algorithms. Different algorithms are better suited to different architectures. Things like rigid body collisions are largely branchy type of math, which are often better suited to CPUs. That's why your infamous Ghostbuster videos show tons of cube boxes, or tons of non-deformable objects which just need to collide with others. There is no fluid, particles, or cloth in that engine as far as I know.. and that's no mistake.. it can't be done efficiently at reasonable scales with CPUs today.
Look at PhysX, and assume that it loads up 1 core in the CPU path. If you get 5FPS trying to run cloth or fluid on the CPU path and you throw 3 *whole* more cores at it, best case you'd get 20fps.. and thats assuming the game is doing *nothing* else which is never the case. Also, you're not going to get linear scaling... you introduce sync points into the math and the cores have to sync at some point, meaning you won't scale linearly.. they don't operate completely independently. So you'd need to throw a *ton* of CPUs at it to get the perf up to reasonable levels, which just doesn't exist today. You could claim "larrabee" but you're talking about more *lesser* powered cores, so there's no guarantee physics will run amazingly well there as the synchronization problem becomes multipled.
I'm not poo poo'ing on anything, I'm just saying please do homework on the algorithms at play before you make claims that PhysX is artificially neutering something, or that using 3 other cores will make some significant difference for anything other than more rigid bodies.
It's absolutely no mistake that many games don't take advantage of all cores with physics work.. and it's not because developers are "lazy" as many assume... it's not a simple problem to solve as it's not easy to split up some types of physics workloads across multiple independent CPU threads, which begs the question of "who's going to solve it then?" Some large engine licensee? Some de facto standard middleware provider? GPUs?
I have to admit that this is one of those exciting days. A fresh new promising videocard/GPU and a great first review from [H]. Thanks!
The 27W idle is incredibly impressive compared to the stupidifying 90W idle of the 4870 and a strong selling point for me. Frame rates are great too, I cant see how you could expect more. Now we need more great games from the devs and fast! Praying that Edios Montreal are among the teams which was fed one of these cards in June.
You ask our thoughts on the filters and AA ie. I happen to agree with your conclusions very much. The trilinear filtering blows all other versions away no doubt, the 16XAF is just jaw dropping! The new implementation looks great. Should prove interesting to see if the green team can deliver even better quality?
The 8XAA of the 4890 on the first GBs screen looks better than the rest. Note the blur on the lower part of the clock in the 5870 screen. Is it some edge detection stretching out too far perhaps?
The supersampling at just kills way too much texture detail for my liking. Local contrast, bumps ie. so much good work lost in a blur, its too bad.
Cant wait for the next article on this card. Keep up the great work!
That said, if there are people like me who aren't hurting for peformance, and are in a current gen card from either camp(especially a multi GPU setup) you would still push them into spending on ATI now instead of waiting to see what NV brings to the table? Seriously? Come on man I know your all hyped up on the latest offerings(5870, eyefinity etc) from AMD but get serious dude.
Is this for real ? I don't know if DX11 optimizations where used for Battle Forge... but man, if this is real, Crytek should release a DX11 optimization path for Crysis/Crysis WH
5850 CrossFire is no joke yo...
5850 CrossFire is no joke yo...
I wasn't saying Kyle was pro AMD at all bro. I wasn't even remotely implying it. Seriously if i wanted to call him on it I would have and not minced words however that was not my intent. I was simply saying he seemed to be steering some people in this thread toward the 5870 and implying that waiting for nvidia really made no sense. That's the part I disagree with, that's all. I have also said mnay times already that the 5870 is 1 dam fine card but not 1 I would drop cash on if you own a current gen card from either camp. That is all.