Dan
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now that we have no idea of actoual real performance of RTX line... When is AMD going to come along with something
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If you have freesync monitor there is. Also there is the added bonus of not buying nvidia.Yeah AMD is a complete non-factor in the GPU market nowadays. The Vega 64 is $100 MORE than the FASTER 1080 and the 56 is more than a 1070Ti. There really is no reason to buy an AMD card right now.
I’m really rooting for AMD to surprise us. I like competition. We need more of it.
AMD has an opportunity to support HDMI 2.1 VRR/FreeSync. NVIDIA noped out of it. The RX line could be a winner with a performance boost.
But honestly, with AMD dedicating most of their graphics resources to consoles, they don’t seem to be able to keep up in the PC market. If consumers embrace ray tracing, it could be trouble.
If you have freesync monitor there is. Also there is the added bonus of not buying nvidia.
With an amd card I only have to hit my freesync range. The 1080 isn't strong enough to keep a constant 60@4k. I don't have to worry about that with amd.That's true about FreeSync but that would be the only reason... But at a $110 price premium it's not even that good of a reason. You can buy a 1080 for $110 less and have a little faster card. Even for FreeSync, that's almost not worth it.
I have a saying. "When AMD is quiet, good thing happen"
I think some of this comes down to who is running nVidia and AMD. nVidia's Jensen Huang is a gamer while AMD's Lisa Su is not so gaming tech is probably less of a passion for her when compared to the CPU department.
Interesting fact: Jensen is Lisa's uncle.
Now we see Intel starting to thump their chest about a 2020 release. Ah the sweet, sweet disappointment that will be when they do finally ship something. Thank you Raja.
They were very open about skipping 12nm and going straight to 7nm.
Intel thought the same thing with CPU'sAMD won't have anything to compete in the high end for the foreseeable future. They're going to compete in the mid-range and upper mid-range only for the next several years. There is no champion card on the way (although people will purport there's some magical unicorn coming, just like they have been for the past three years). Nvidia owns the high end without exception and their prices will only be dictated by the amount people are will to pay.
Intel is really the only hope out there. However, I have a feeling they're going to attack the mid range to begin with.
Yep! I think Lisa is very good at putting resources where it matters. I am sure if it was raja he would be releasing another refresh wasting resources. CPU side is doing better, get back to work on GPU and release a decent card when you can. No point doing refreshes when it is going to take more resources and not enough performance to justify the R&D that can go in to next gen.
Just came across this today, as I’m also wondering wtf AMD is doing while Nvidia announces some potentially stupid powerful video cards.
https://wccftech.com/amd-gpu-rumors-12nm-polaris-30-7nm-navi-7nm-vega-20-radeon-rx-gaming/
It’s just rumors, but it looks like there’s a possibility AMD WILL release a 12 nm card, updating the Polaris line. They point out Polaris 20 was never announced beforehand or on any roadmaps. I certainly hope this is true, as I’m wanting to build a full AMD system in the next 6 months to a year, but I won’t gimp myself just to do it. Going a full two years without a single card that even comes anywhere close to competing with the top spot would just be an absolutely retarded move.
AMD is working on a brand new architecture to replace GCN.
It was originally planned for 2021, but AMD is putting a lot of muscle into it, so it might be ready sometime in 2020.
I honestly never understood why they didn't make a bigger polaris with more shader cores and leave HBM2 to professional cards. It would have made sense to give polaris more bandwidth with gddr5x. It would make sense for them to make it on 12nm, with better clocks and more shaders. It will be much cheaper to make. They should just pull vega and leave it up to pro cards if they come out with 12nm polaris. It would make sense if they come out with 12nm polaris though. It wouldn't anything unheard of. Honestly Navi with gddr6 as mainstream card is looking mighty juicy. If they can pull 1080ti peformance as rumored it might not be that bad.
Yeah. With how far behind they’ve been lagging, I’ve always wondered why they haven’t gone the, “Fuck it. Slap two dies on a single card and call it a day.” approach, but maybe 12 nm would make something like that more feasible.
Yeah. With how far behind they’ve been lagging, I’ve always wondered why they haven’t gone the, “Fuck it. Slap two dies on a single card and call it a day.” approach, but maybe 12 nm would make something like that more feasible.
I've thought the exact same thing. Playing around with a fury, 580 and vega, I can't believe how well the 580 performs. Adding onto polaris must have some sort of drawbacks, otherwise they would have done it, you would think anyways.I honestly never understood why they didn't make a bigger polaris with more shader cores and leave HBM2 to professional cards. It would have made sense to give polaris more bandwidth with gddr5x. It would make sense for them to make it on 12nm, with better clocks and more shaders. It will be much cheaper to make. They should just pull vega and leave it up to pro cards if they come out with 12nm polaris. It would make sense if they come out with 12nm polaris though. It wouldn't anything unheard of. Honestly Navi with gddr6 as mainstream card is looking mighty juicy. If they can pull 1080ti peformance as rumored it might not be that bad.
I've thought the exact same thing. Playing around with a fury, 580 and vega, I can't believe how well the 580 performs. Adding onto polaris must have some sort of drawbacks, otherwise they would have done it, you would think anyways.
I would love to see how well the "590" (xbonex) gpu would perform. Or a huge polaris chip with hbm2. Wasn't Raja originally an engineer? They're usually a different "breed" of person, ime.i am not sure. Raja was smoking a whole lot of crack. I think they tried to create a gap between the lines and didn't expect HBM2 shortage and high cost. I think he tried to hard and failed. Vega was more of a machine learning card I think. Too big of a die for gaming. I think polaris might have been already but the draw back was it was using gddr5, thats where shit went south. If they designed polaris for gddr5x it migh have done better at the higher end.
I would love to see how well the "590" (xbonex) gpu would perform. Or a huge polaris chip with hbm2. Wasn't Raja originally an engineer? They're usually a different "breed" of person, ime.
Yea. But I don't think he knew how to manage. That's why sometime if you are good at one thing doesn't mean you could manage a project better and about his love for Intel was well known as well. I think there was too much internal issues going on. Marketing was a mess, messaging was overdome and cheezy as hell. I think he tried doing too much in too short of time. I think he was under the impression he would be able to run rtg without any influence from upper management. He didn't like when that wasn't the case. I mean stories about him wanting to merge rtg with Intel and all that probably played a big role. Too much internal politics I think. And look what happened he went to Intel not too long after.
I haven't followed the internal politics of AMD at all, but what if Raja really was just being held back, and Intel releases an absolutely revolutionary GPU? I know it probably won't happen, but it'd be kind of funny. Also, as long as Intel releases something vaguely competent, that's a plus in my book. We definitely need more competition in the GPU market.