If both these chips are just around the corner, I find it highly interesting that there have not been any leaks. Either no one has them yet and they will be late or people have seen the performance but they are nothing exciting so no one has cared to leak info. I would like a real core i5 competitor. 6 or 8 cores and the max clock speeds they can get. The fastest clocks are available in the highest core count CPUs. This make the CPUs worth getting expensive and they are not competing with the Core i5. Sure there is overclocking but it does not help that AMD CPU run hot to begin with.