AMD to Simultaneously Launch 3rd Gen Ryzen and Unveil Radeon "Navi" This June

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  1. ssnyder28

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    I would argue that the higher end chips have the least need for an IGP. I for one don't see the need for an IGP except in budget builds. On my 4770k the only time I used the IGP was when my GPU was being RMA'd, and even then, i had spare GPU's, I was just too lazy to throw one in it.
     
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    Sure, but you / we are the exception. Many 'workstations' with high-end consumer CPUs still don't include discrete GPUs because they're simply not needed for so many workloads. You could argue that high-end CPUs aren't needed either, and you'd mostly be right- but part of the problem is that AMD realistically only builds two parts, one a limited-core APU and the other an eight-core dual-CCX die. Now that they're using a 'controller' die too, there's no reason not to throw a minimal GPU that can support at least two video outputs on it.
     
  4. _mockingbird

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    Good point.

    AdoredTV has long been a clickbait trough for AMD fanboys.

    Maybe there's not much lose
     
  5. _mockingbird

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    I doubt AMD cares so as long as someone buys it if AMD makes one.
     
  6. d3athf1sh

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    These new CPUs will be on the AM4 socket so they'll work on existing motherboards with a simple BIOS update.

    Ryzen 3 3300 - 6/12 - 3.2/4.0GHz - 50w - $99
    Ryzen 3 3300X - 6/12 - 3.5/4.3GHz - 65w - $129
    Ryzen 3 3300G - 6/12 - 3.0/3.8GHz - 65w - $129
    Ryzen 5 3600 - 8/16 - 3.6/4.4GHz - 55w - $178
    Ryzen 5 3600X - 8/16 - 4.0/4.8GHz - 95w - $229
    Ryzen 5 3600G - 8/16 - 3.2/4.0GHz - 95w - $199
    Ryzen 7 3700 - 12/24 - 3.8/4.6GHz - 95w - $299
    Ryzen 7 3700X - 12/24 - 4.2/5.0GHz - 105w - $329
    Ryzen 9 3800X - 16/32 - 3.9/4.7GHz - 125w - $449
    Ryzen 9 3850X - 16/32 - 4.3/5.1GHz - 135w - $499

    oh yes!!!

    Read more: https://www.tweaktown.com/news/64104/amd-ryzen-9-3850x-zen-2-16c-32t-5-1ghz-499/index.html

    care to share where they are debunked? actually it seems feasible. plus it would put the nail in intels cpu coffin for the foreseeable future.

    anymore updates?
     
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    how is the 3600 a 55w
     
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    AMD came out and stated that there would NOT be APU/GPU chiplet, meaning those "G" series chips are busted as false, and given that plus the "too good to be true" pricing, the whole list is clearly just someones made up wishful thinking.
     
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    so, lets see... what is top tier ryzen selling for nowadays?? looks like newegg has 2700X for $294.99. wow
     
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    lol prob 95w everything still up in the air but hey
     
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    Another dreamer setting up for disappointment.
     
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    I'd love for this to be true as much as the next guy, but lets be reasonable. It takes water cooling and some patience to get a 2700x to 4.3ghz all core and now people are honestly expecting a 16 core 4.3ghz ALL core base CPU that boosts to 5.1ghz? It would be well enough if AMD could just get through this die shrink and chiplet design with the same-ish performance at a lower power target (the old tick-tock intel approach). I'm hoping for an 8 core that can do 4.6-4.7ghz all core 24/7, with a minor IPC tweak that's a BIG step up from a 2700x.

    This would instantly obsolete the TR2950x so bad we'd be able to scrape them up off of ebay for 300 bucks or less.

    Must be tough being AMD when "leaks" like this are listed everywhere and people are waiting for it to come out just to get disappointed. If I'm wrong then touché and welcome the greatest CPU launch since the Athlon 64 took a steamy dump on the Pentium 4...
     
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    hmm.... that 3700x looks might tempting even though I Bjust got a 2700x.
     
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    After a price cut. It launched at $330.
     
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    I haven't felt a CPU bottleneck but oddly enough I was keeping a side eye on my CPU while playing Anthem and I did see some mid 90% cpu use. Either that's shoddy programming (Possible) or my 4 core 8 thread is actually holding back my video card when gaming at 1440p.

    What do you think? (I'm now considering a 16 core Ryzen chip as my next CPU. Thankfully a lot of my hardware can port right across but the new motherboard and 2 more 16 gig memory chips still means it isn't a cheap idea.
     
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    Didn't happen to the 8/16 Xeon's when the 9900K launched.
    Maybe there's a reason people buy those higher-end platforms?
     
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    ECC support and massively large caches at the least. That said, I believe the 2950x has 8mb l2 and 30mb l3 cache, add way more pcie lanes to the mix and I suppose I stand corrected.

    But now the line between prosumer and full blown workstation is getting very blurry. I'd still expect reasonable price drops on the threadripper 2xxx line since they are still a consumer CPU in competition with mainstream platforms.. just my line of thinking
     
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    This is nothing more than a dubious rumor.
     
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    my .02c in this regard
    likely AMD and their partners want to make sure shelves are "ready" they likely do not want another repeat of last launches for gamers needs.

    that is, RX 47x/48x and 57x/58x where MSRP was a pipe dream for most folks, I personally do not want to see them release and within moments price goes through roof because they sell out too quickly then use the excuses of "because they are being bought faster than we can stock we have no choice but to slap on an extra "luxury fee" or something lol.

    Likely AMD and partners know full well that the "world" awaits Ryzen 7nm and Navi... I know I am ^.^
     
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    The rumors are fun...and are setting me up for disappointment.

    I built a 2700x system last fall. I'll happily replace my 4790k with a 3700x if the above numbers are true. And, I may even consider swapping in a 3700x for the 2700x if the used price I can get isn't too bad.

    But; it isn't June, AMD has made no official announcement, there's been no reviews of actual hardware, and, finally, pricing is just hopeful numbers.

    I cannot see how these speculated numbers will be borne out by the actual hardware. But I can hope... ;)
     
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    You have to be really gullible to believe dubious rumors from a certain YouTube clickbait channel.

    He how has a new video that claims that AMD is going to launch a $430 competitor to the $1200 GeForce RTX 2080 Ti
     
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    That's doubtful, but don't forget that ~$300 of that price is rt/dlss and associated tech.
     
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    Radeon VII isn't even as fast as the GeForce RTX 2080 despite having 1028 Gb/s memory bandwidth using very expensive 16GB HBM2.

    Now, how exactly is AMD going to achieve GeForce RTX 2080 Ti performance for $430?
     
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    I'll let someone else answer your question, since that isn't something I was suggesting.
     
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    They can't and they won't.
     
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    You mean when Nvidia sells something for a stupid amount of money other should follow suit if the price was $1100 or $1150 it suddenly becomes truth ?

    The correlation between money and products can only reflect seriously if the prices match?

    Or are you advocating that AMD can't make a fast videocard regardless of the money ???
    The video in question is in this link
     
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    Sorry, I misread what you said.

    Radeon VII isn't even as fast as the GeForce RTX 2080 despite having 1028 Gb/s memory bandwidth using very expensive 16GB HBM2.

    Now, how exactly is AMD going to achieve GeForce RTX 2080 Ti performance for $430?
     
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    Maybe Navi is a different architecture. This might be weird but supposedly it is different from a die shrink of a last generation 14nm professional compute card.
     
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    Maybe it's just more of your wishful thinking
     
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    I can't wait to build an all AMD rig capable of ultra 4K @60 fps for $1000.

    It's going to be great.
     
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    How do you plan to do that?
     
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    Navi is supposedly still based on GCN.
     
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    Navi 10 is a 7nm shrink of GCN as far as I've heard.
     
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    For this to make sense when you guys write GCN GCN would not have evolved from day one.

    GCN is nothing more the a designation which AMD took a good while ago describing certain aspects regarding compute and chip lay out used to streamline compute.

    That is all that GCN stands for, it would amount to as much as saying there is ice in ice cream...

    Hence you have different architectures after the Radeon 6970 there all GCN.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics_Core_Next
    I could say that I am shocked that you did not even know that Radeon VII was a die shrink of Radeon Instinct 25.
    But I am not :)
     
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    So you are presuming what I know?

    Radeon VII is a consumer version of the Radeon Instinct MI50, which aside from the addition of the INT8 and INT4 instructions, is just the Vega (that we are all familiar with) taken to 7nm.
     
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    Okay, if we want to be pedantic (and that's okay :D ) then Navi 10 is supposedly a die shrink of the latest revision of the GCN architecture, which as you say has undergone a number of revisions since it debuted (I think we're now up to revision 6 by my count?). But it's still fundamentally the same architecture rather than a completely new one.

    I'm not sure where anyone else has mentioned Radeon VII in this discussion, so if you want to make assumptions about what I think or know then that's your prerogative. But I'd rather you didn't put words in my mouth. I'm well aware that VII was a re-purposed Instinct 50, and this was absolutely common knowledge when VII launched.
     
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    If that were true, I'd dump my 1070 Ti and buy one of those Samsung freesync TVs in a heartbeat.
     
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    He wasn't talking to you, he was replying to _Mockingbird. And Radeon Vii has been mentioned several times already.
     
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    Cool, is all good then :)
     
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    Sell your card, buy a nice custom cooled Vega56/64 (I had tons of them) or go with the VIIs under water...And get that beautiful gaming beast of a TV....I have a brand new one sitting in it's box waiting to move to it's new home next week.

    The short time I have played with one cannot begin to express how much those of us that gave these sets love then. I got my 65" brand new for $899 with a free 5 yr SQ warranty from Costco.
     
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