AMD to Host Livestream Event to Unveil Next Generation Ryzen Processors August 29th Monday

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Yeah if they ask for all the money then the feature set needs to be there and be performant all around. Not too much longer and the NDA lifts and we can see some actual reviews. I still think it’s going to be too expensive at first. Would love to be wrong. In my never ending attraction to the new shiny I’ve lived through a ton of early adopter “fun” on my last few builds and honestly I’m kind of over it. So I’ve sidelined myself on this wave.
 

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Yeah if they ask for all the money then the feature set needs to be there and be performant all around. Not too much longer and the NDA lifts and we can see some actual reviews. I still think it’s going to be too expensive at first. Would love to be wrong. In my never ending attraction to the new shiny I’ve lived through a ton of early adopter “fun” on my last few builds and honestly I’m kind of over it. So I’ve sidelined myself on this wave.
Regardless of performance I’m pretty sure that I am priced out of this round. I’m not stressing, there isn’t much out that I’m playing that overly taxes my machine at 1440p and what I’m currently finding time to actually play could be ran on a toaster at this stage.
 

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Regardless of performance I’m pretty sure that I am priced out of this round. I’m not stressing, there isn’t much out that I’m playing that overly taxes my machine at 1440p and what I’m currently finding time to actually play could be ran on a toaster at this stage.
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This is what frustrates me if AMD doesn't basically solidly thrash Intel, all this "competition" these days is not making things cheaper for the customer. Ever since these companies figured out that people would pay asinine amounts thanks to shortages, tariffs, crypto-boom-bullshit-money-printing etc... they now decide "Well gee, if we do anything less than pump it that much we'lre leaving money on the table!" which is pretty insufferable and how things get worse. The Asus Crosshair Dark Hero, the top X570 board was $400-500 or so. By Intel's 11th and by the 12th gen Alder Lake Z690 we saw the Asus ROG Maximus Extreme was like $1100-1300 MSRP and the "Glacial" version was $2000 with the watercooling super-monoblock from EK. The prices have just gone insane and though part of it might be that PCI-E 5.0 / DDR 5 was new for this launch, most of it is "because they can". Intel has a special history of pricing things extra high and cutting out feature (remember how you needed some special key widget to unlock certain features on some X299 boards atop their existing price) and AMD usually tried to be the good guy by comparison. Now, we're seeing a time when bothh have figured out they can just price things to the moon and at least so far people will buy.

Suffice it to say if they're even thinking of this they better be damn confident that they're going to have some incredible performance and features. NO corners better be cut. I don't want to see 20gbps USB4 vs 40gbps and they need to be functionally Thunderbolt compatible.. 10Gb NIcs, WiFi 6E or 7. The PCB build quality, and VRMs better be godlike and they need to have the Zen4 equivalent of the "Dark Hero's Best of Both Worlds PBO for single few/cores + all core OC manual mode", overclocking support across the board, and the ability to disable the AMD PSP. That's to say nothing for the performance of the top end CPUs and the potential 3DCache version themselves, but if they're going to ask for insane pricing like this as the new normal regardless of circumstances I hope they at least don't halfass it.
I don't think AMD is going to solidly thrash Intel... I think it's gonna be a +/- in different benchmarks as Intel screws around with their nomenclature with their nanometer die sizes. Really, that's the only thing holding Intel back right now... Their node inferiority, thus the rebranding of "we will call it what we think it should be.... just not the actual die size and" and you can pretty much tell it's not 5 or 3 nanometer based on how it takes a small nuclear reactor to power their CPUs and a special refrigeration unit... AMD on the other hand has had this node and efficiency thing going, the latter of which I appreciated very much. Looks like they're throwing the efficiency out the window in favor of performance... because if Intel is dumping assloads of power into their chips, why not do the same? I think AMD is gonna be faster than the 12 Gen parts, then 13th gen may be faster than the 7000 series and then maybe AMD drops a bunch of 3D cache on a refresh to be faster than the 13th Gen instead of just CRUSHING THE SHIT OUT OF INTEL... It's all about milking as much cash out of whatever you can get away with, not value and performance.

Now, when it comes to the insane motherboard pricing... I just can't do it. I never really have either. Paying over a grand for a desktop motherboard seems utterly stupid to me for a platform that generally is outdated in 1-2 years. Granted AMD has managed to keep AM4 alive for a while now, but some of that was done kicking and screaming as they got slammed by their consumer base for trying to drop support for older versions of the chipset. *I have also heard some pretty good murmurs about how the 7000 series is also compatible with the AM4 platform... Honestly, not sure why we don't see overdrive processors like Intel and Cyrix/VIA did for old 486 to Pentium systems. Seems like a stupid thing to completely omit a potential profit segment for them but I suppose I get that they would have to support the new chips on the older platform and that's just too much effort... (sorry for the side rant, again)*

Some people might really use all the features of a super duper kickass, soon to be outdated, desktop motherboard but I don't see the rationale other than creating boutique products meant to suck the oxygen out of consumers willing to pay for the new shiny version of the same shit that you can have for 200 bucks (or less) on the low end (X570). However, the high end of the X570 was only 4-500 bucks so, if you gotta have that cool looking stuff for bragging rights or Liquid Nitrogen OC'ing, I can deal with that.

Now, AMD is punching out shit that has intel Pricing.... Because they think they can.

Their CPUs will be more expensive by 30-50 (this might actually be +$100) bucks on average, but they are essentially doubling motherboard pricing. I suspect that much of that is due to DDR5 and PCIe5 (especially all the lanes for it). On the High end you get some cool stuff, maybe. Like integrated Hardware Audio Cards (possibly), 2.5/5/10G NICs... (I have CAT 7 runs in my house for 2 connections... Never got 10G NICs to run 100% stable, they had issues initializing, though the transfers were awesome... But the NICS were Bl(R)ows(e)will cheese I picked up on sale for 40 bucks a piece; running 5G NICs flawlessly), all that WiFi and crazy VRMs that you can recharge your Tesla with... A zillion SATA ports for all the spinning disks and SSDs that I don't use anymore (m.2) A cool thermal shroud that either adds strength to the MB or wants to flex it in half... and maybe some cool lighting and water cooling (non essential on the latter part)...

I don't give a shit about bling, I don't care about features. I will happily run a system that is in the ugliest chassis on the planet as long as its cool, quiet and fast. Features I can add myself (and have). I almost always shoot on the lower end of the spectrum and milk any value I can out of it. When I Overclock, I try to light my VRMs on fire, first, before investing in some ultra high end board. I have had incredible fortune overclocking on most low to mid end motherboards, only recent one I popped a VRM on was a Gigabyte Aorus X470 Elite, pushing a 3600X a couple hundred Mhz out of spec. Picked up the ASUS TUF X570 (no WiFi) for around 175 bucks at the time and never had another problem.

If the motherboard wipes my ass for me, can generate a hot virtual girlfriend and climb into the sack with me, I will pay over a grand for a motherboard... otherwise, I will save the money and take a couple real women out to dinner.
 
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That confused me as well. I never really do much to apply my thermal paste/grease of choice. I just drop a dab in the middle. Seems like you'd have to be more careful applying it going forward.
Yeah... Maybe it's because AMD wants to "Air Cool that Shit" and so they cut holes in it. Or, just because laying an IHS on top of their golden bridges to other circuitry was a bad idea.... It's probably this.
 

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At least in my case, I'll essentially need to build something new soon, and I'd rather build something with the latest gen parts if I can. If we're seriously looking at $600+ for a standard motherboard (+ the cost of the processor and DDR5) they better absolutely kick the shit out of the 5800X3D on a $220 x570 Tomahawk. Yeah, I want the option for PCIE 5 drives, but I don't exactly feel that justifies an additional $500-1000.
 

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Remember these are the top end mobos they've been showing, the more budget options will seemingly show up later.
 
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At least in my case, I'll essentially need to build something new soon, and I'd rather build something with the latest gen parts if I can. If we're seriously looking at $600+ for a standard motherboard (+ the cost of the processor and DDR5) they better absolutely kick the shit out of the 5800X3D on a $220 x570 Tomahawk. Yeah, I want the option for PCIE 5 drives, but I don't exactly feel that justifies an additional $500-1000.
Low end x670 boards will be around 400-450 bucks. I don't expect the new processors to kick the shit out of the current gen parts. They will be faster than 12th Gen Intel parts I'm fairly certain. However, my performance on my 5900X is close enough to 12th Gen in most respects that I don't see the point in dropping an assload of cash to early adopt the 7000 series. As far as gaming goes, the 5800X3D is gonna be a great option for anyone (if you are light on other stuff) and it's essentially a 12th gen equivalent. Probably the best value out there right now in terms of price & performance if you're a gamer. 5000 series is probably the last, great, affordable line of AMD processors we will see in the foreseeable future.
 
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Remember these are the top end mobos they've been showing, the more budget options will seemingly show up later.
Entry level X670 Boards are 420-500 bucks... The budget ones will have worse options on them just like they did with the budget 500 series boards. Cheapos in the next gen will likely drop PCIe5 in favor of PCIe4 connections and be 200-250 bucks (B650). With the B620 probably sitting around what X570 Boards go for in the 139-180 dollar price range. None of that sounds cheap to me
 
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I'm stuck on a Intel i5 10500 and 16GB of ram. I really want to upgrade and can do it via Intel but really want to go AMD this time around. Mainly to run a couple vm's I'd like an 8c/16t cpu with at least 32GB of ram. If the upgrade cost is way over an i7 plus more DDR4 ram I might wait this round out...ram is cheap enough but a 11700 is still too pricey.
This is why you really don't want to be an early adopter...

Early AGESA Versions Responsible For Possible Ryzen 7000 Delayed Release​

AGESA Strikes Again!

AMD Is Still On Track For a September 15th release, but there is still a possibility Zen 4 will be delayed to the 27th.

For unknown reasons, previous rumors have indicated that Ryzen 7000's release date could get postponed from September 15th to the 27th. But now, according to a report by HardwareLuxx,(opens in new tab) we know why. AMD is reportedly dealing with AGESA issues on the motherboard side, which will be the main culprit for the postponed release date if it becomes official.

It is easy to guess why AMD is having such difficulty with its low-level motherboard software. AM5 is a brand new motherboard architecture, housing new connectivity standards for AMD, such as DDR5 and PCIe 5.0, as well as brand new chipset designs. All in all, testing every single nook and cranny of brand new system architecture is difficult (if not impossible) to do under time constraints.

It is why almost all brand new platforms from Intel and AMD have "game breaking" bugs on launch day, due to the developer and engineering inexperience with bleeding-edge architectures.
 

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Entry level X670 Boards are 420-500 bucks... The budget ones will have worse options on them just like they did with the budget 500 series boards. Cheapos in the next gen will likely drop PCIe5 in favor of PCIe4 connections and be 200-250 bucks (B650). With the B620 probably sitting around what X570 Boards go for in the 139-180 dollar price range. None of that sounds cheap to me
I expect the B650 stuff in the 150-200 range without all the features the x670 stuff has. There will be sub 150 boards but you won’t get them in the first wave of the b650 crop. I mean, i guess $200 for a board is kinda expensive, but if that’s the kind of category somebody’s finances fit into, they’re better off on a used board and putting that money towards a gpu IMO. Time will tell where it all shakes out.

IE nobody fucking panic(yet)
 
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I expect the B650 stuff in the 150-200 range without all the features the x670 stuff has. There will be sub 150 boards but you won’t get them in the first wave of the b650 crop. I mean, i guess $200 for a board is kinda expensive, but if that’s the kind of category somebody’s finances fit into, they’re better off on a used board and putting that money towards a gpu IMO. Time will tell where it all shakes out.

IE nobody fucking panic(yet)
Not gonna panic because I'm not buying the next generation of stuff. 😂
 
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Confirmed specs for 7950X
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3950X at $749 → 5950X at $799 and then → 7950X at $699 at msrp. Hmm.....
 

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Yeah the launch pricing is actually better than I was hoping. Can't wait to see some reviews.
 

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Wondering if 13900K will match the price at $699 or higher because it has more cores.
 

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That RDNA3 demo was stupid.....Not even sure whats the point lol

Just showing you they have working hardware that can play a modern game well. They don't want to tell you anything more then that for now.
 

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Pricing seems pretty attractive as the 7900x is the same MSRP as my 5900x.

The high end isn't too bad considering. The mid range r5/r7 not so much. Drop $50 off those two and its more interesting. I mean its better than staying the same as last gen msrp, at least for the 7700X. The 7600X is the same price though facing sub $300 12600 chips. DDR5 prices and mobo prices being a big question on total system cost.
 

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If the performance is going to be dead on with the 13th gen Intel CPUs, I'd like to see some tasty price wars.

I'm thinking the 7600x/7700x in a tidy little ITX build would be fun, maybe on the B650E chipset.
 

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So Intel:
is increasing core counts each generation
has the threaded advantage
has the cheaper platform
has the Price per SKU advantage
Has options for budget systems with cheap but fast enough i3 level SKUs
but has slightly SLIGHTLY slower single thread speed.


and now AMD:
Hasn't increased core counts for three generations
is raising prices on most of it's parts
Has a new, expensive platform.


So this is reversed roles of Ryzen first-gen vs 7th gen Core all over again.

My, how quickly did AMD sit on their throne and pull out their dick to auction off sucking privileges.
 

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So Intel:
is increasing core counts each generation
has the threaded advantage
has the cheaper platform
has the Price per SKU advantage
Has options for budget systems with cheap but fast enough i3 level SKUs
but has slightly SLIGHTLY slower single thread speed.


and now AMD:
Hasn't increased core counts for three generations
is raising prices on most of it's parts
Has a new, expensive platform.


So this is reversed roles of Ryzen first-gen vs 7th gen Core all over again.

My, how quickly did AMD sit on their throne and pull out their dick to auction off sucking privileges.
Well, lets be honest. I would put it as Intel is catching up to AMD when it comes to core counts.

We have no idea if they have an SKU advantage because we are all comparing this to last gen Intel. The Raptor Lake series is coming out very soon. We will know pricing soon.

I also understand why the platform is more expensive. PCI Gen 5 M.2 slots, full 16x slots etc on those expensive boards. You want the bells and whistles you have to pay for it. Intel doesn't have anything to combat that "yet".

Last thing. Sure its expensive now. But you will have 3+ years of CPU upgrade support. Where with Intel you are on a dying platform.

Still, I am passing this generation. With 4k its all about being GPU limited.
 
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