AMD to Host Livestream Event to Unveil Next Generation Ryzen Processors August 29th Monday

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SANTA CLARA, Calif., Aug. 16, 2022 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) — Today, AMD (NASDAQ: AMD) announced “together we advance_PCs,” a livestream premiere to unveil next generation AMD PC products. Chair and CEO Dr. Lisa Su, CTO and EVP Mark Papermaster, and other AMD executives will present details on the latest “Zen 4” architecture that powers upcoming AMD Ryzen™ processors and the all new AM5 platform built around the latest technologies including DDR5 and PCIe5, all designed to drive a new era of performance desktop PCs.
The show will premiere at 7 p.m. ET on Monday, August 29, on the AMD YouTube channel. A replay can be accessed a few hours after the conclusion of the event at AMD.com/Ryzen.


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Was hoping this would happen sooner than later. Gonna be interesting to see what these cost and how everything will eventually stack up vs. Raptor Lake. All I know is that the early leaks for the Zen 4 mobos = $$$$. They're mostly premium models, but still. Combine that with DDR5 (which is coming down but is still pricey) and a new Zen 4 build might be really expensive.
 

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Did AMD adopt its rumored LGA land grid array on any if its CPUS? I read about it in Maximum PC. No more bent pins but Motherboard pins could still bend unless the socket won't use pins maybe its a LGA socket without pins.
 

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AMD has to protect their bottom line and in a slowing market that means they will charge more, their parts are in demand and remain unchallenged in many market segments, and with a lack of competition you better believe they will charge us for the privilege of owning their hardware.
It's a funny world we live in where Intel is looking like "the budget" option.
 
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I think I'm going to skip a generation or three in the ongoing PC advancement wars. I'm finally in a place where I don't think anything is going to really stress my system moving forward. Let em work all the bugs out of the new platform before I even consider adopting anything new. I agree with Lakados AMD is going to likely up the ante on price on all their new stuff. Depending on how much @ss they kick. Combining 3D cache with later refreshes of the new 5nm lineup will likely elevate the product pricing into areas where Intel typically holds the title for insanely priced chips.

I'm guessing my next build, in a couple years, is going to put me into near poverty levels for a couple months just to upgrade...
 

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I'm about to pass my current system on, so I'm going to need to build something new in the next few months. I'll go with Intel in an instant if things are looking like they're going to cost 2X as much as a current build. Frankly, I've had fewer issues with Intel over the years anyway. Still, I'm hoping some of the pricing rumors are FUD stuff and the reality is much more reasonable.
 

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As much as I would love to upgrade, at 4k my CPU isn't the bottleneck. I too think I will skip a generation or 2 on the AM5 platform. Thats if Intel doesn't have some better overall.

I think my next upgrade would be a GPU since that it what is limiting me when it comes to gaming.
 

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aren't these the ones with that built in Microsoft polonium chip or whatever it's called?
 

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aren't these the ones with that built in Microsoft polonium chip or whatever it's called?
Haha, its "Pluton", and we're not sure about this. It was present on certain mobile Ryzen 6000 series, but there's going to be the question if it is going to be present on desktop CPUs and if so which ones (both AMD and Intel). Pluton is basically just a secure storage vault for either A) the same TPM2.0 credentials that used to be stored on the mobo's TPM chip B) some other sort of secret key put in place by the system owner or admin focused on business uses or C) able to be turned off entirely. Its not some sort of autonomous system / possible backdoor from what has been shown so far; its way less potential for that than Intel ME or AMD PSP. Pluton needs something to provision it and software/firmware to interact with it even if provisioned . There is absolutely a concern about privacy , proprietary lockdown, enforcing with things like remote attestation but that isn't specific to Pluton.

I am looking forward to Zen4 and the X670E chipset. I really hope that it is competitive with Intel's Raptor Lake (which has a strong showing on one particular banchmark, but we all know how that can be illusory ). This announcement should be good info for when the platform will go on sale, but one of my big concerns is about the 3DCache versions. I do not want them to come out an announce the new high end 7950X or whatever top end equivalent (among others) without saying anything about 3D, and then shortly thereafter announce/release a 7950X3D basically outmoding the previous version (and possibly accompanied by mobo intra-generation revisions). Its one thing if the 3D versions arrive late into the generation (and possibly are limited in model) as they did with the 5000 series - its understandable they couldn't announce the availability at the same time the rest of the 5000 series was launched. However, if that is not what happens this time given AMD has stated that Zen4 will mean a wider roll out of 3DCache , it would be nice if they announce it all at the same time. Ideally if they can launch the 3D versions at the same time that would be best, but if not I'd much rather have them say "Ryzen 7000 CPUs in stores September X. 3DCache versions arrive October/November X " if they insist on holding them back to compete with Raptor Lake .
 

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I am wanting to upgrade but worry about prices of CPUs and motherboards. 32GB of DDR5 is around $200 for Corsair going by a quick check at newegg but not sure if it is good stuff for these new CPUs. I will certainly be waiting a while though. Hoping to get a stable board that has a few BIOS updates installed from the factory. The original Ryzen launch was a bit rough. But ASRock did an excellent job supporting my motherboard. Really lived up to my expectations for AM4 and ability to upgrade to new CPUs.
 
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Haha, its "Pluton", and we're not sure about this. It was present on certain mobile Ryzen 6000 series, but there's going to be the question if it is going to be present on desktop CPUs and if so which ones (both AMD and Intel). Pluton is basically just a secure storage vault for either A) the same TPM2.0 credentials that used to be stored on the mobo's TPM chip B) some other sort of secret key put in place by the system owner or admin focused on business uses or C) able to be turned off entirely. Its not some sort of autonomous system / possible backdoor from what has been shown so far; its way less potential for that than Intel ME or AMD PSP. Pluton needs something to provision it and software/firmware to interact with it even if provisioned . There is absolutely a concern about privacy , proprietary lockdown, enforcing with things like remote attestation but that isn't specific to Pluton.

I am looking forward to Zen4 and the X670E chipset. I really hope that it is competitive with Intel's Raptor Lake (which has a strong showing on one particular banchmark, but we all know how that can be illusory ). This announcement should be good info for when the platform will go on sale, but one of my big concerns is about the 3DCache versions. I do not want them to come out an announce the new high end 7950X or whatever top end equivalent (among others) without saying anything about 3D, and then shortly thereafter announce/release a 7950X3D basically outmoding the previous version (and possibly accompanied by mobo intra-generation revisions). Its one thing if the 3D versions arrive late into the generation (and possibly are limited in model) as they did with the 5000 series - its understandable they couldn't announce the availability at the same time the rest of the 5000 series was launched. However, if that is not what happens this time given AMD has stated that Zen4 will mean a wider roll out of 3DCache , it would be nice if they announce it all at the same time. Ideally if they can launch the 3D versions at the same time that would be best, but if not I'd much rather have them say "Ryzen 7000 CPUs in stores September X. 3DCache versions arrive October/November X " if they insist on holding them back to compete with Raptor Lake .
I would suspect that AMD is going to hold off on releasing 3D cache versions of their chips until they are "forced" to. Kicking up the pricing on the 7000 series lineup is almost a given. If their benchmarks can edge out Intel on their stock lineup, then I don't think we will see the 3D cache until well after the initial launch and only if Intel pushes out something that "regains the gaming crown". The tech has been there for them for at least a generation, but they waited until Intel pushed out 12th Gen chips and could actually claim (with their pressure cooker power draw and heat generators) that they had retaken the gaming crown. The 3800X3D essentially put a product out there that's 1 Ghz or more below Intel frequencies and still matching their performance (roughly). It became one ofthe best value gaming chips available in short order and I have seen it in stock often enough to be widely available.

In my mind, if it costs more money to make... AMD is just like every other business on the planet regardless of how people seem to think they are the underdogs. They will milk their core architectural releases as much as possible before even bothering with additional cache memory. If they can go the entire release cycle of the 7000 series without the 3D cache, I suspect they will. It's not about giving the consumer the best product, it's about making the most money for AMD and being "good enough" or just a tad faster than Intel in benchmarks and bragging rights.

Only time will tell, however. I'm happy for competition in the CPU space, once again. Hope that goes on for some time.
 

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Might be time to finally build me a new system! The additional cores going from 4C/8T to 16C/32T would be appreciated by me.
The current system is still going strong and can't complain, but would be nice to get a decent bump up.
 
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I am wanting to upgrade but worry about prices of CPUs and motherboards. 32GB of DDR5 is around $200 for Corsair going by a quick check at newegg but not sure if it is good stuff for these new CPUs. I will certainly be waiting a while though. Hoping to get a stable board that has a few BIOS updates installed from the factory. The original Ryzen launch was a bit rough. But ASRock did an excellent job supporting my motherboard. Really lived up to my expectations for AM4 and ability to upgrade to new CPUs.
I would imagine we will have to give it a year or two before we see any of the "good stuff" in the DDR5 space at affordable prices. The stuff that comes out in the beginning of the release cycle is almost never what we end up with near the middle or end of it (unless you don't care about memory frequencies). I'm curious how AMD is handling their Fabric interconnects in the 7000 series and where the sweet spot for Memory will be (or if they will decouple it entirely at some point).

I jumped the gun on the 5900x when the prices dropped. They dropped yet a bit lower but I have not regretted my purchase in any way. It's a beast compared to the 5600X, but even that was pretty damn good. If you want the best value, grab an AMD 5000 series chip, cram some ram into it that Maxes the Fabric speeds and kick your feet up and sleep through a release generation or two. If you game, primarily, pickup a 3800X3D for like 350 bucks or less at Microcenter or on sale. This generation of AMD is probably going to be the last value platform for a long while. I expect PCIe5 to crank prices up across the board on motherboard releases. Nothing is gonna use it unless your aim is to have datacenter+ speeds in your home and pay top dollar for some new PCIe5 M.2 Drive. I'm running a PCIe4 drive with high durability and it's not the fastest (faster ones are 1/3 as durable) but its crazy fast compared to both my old M.2 PCIe3 and anything I have ever had before it. Fast enough.

My Advice, Save money, buy cheap and sit on your ass for a couple years loving the hell out of your rig that's more than capable of tackling everything that comes out for a good long while.
 
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Might be time to finally build me a new system! The additional cores going from 4C/8T to 16C/32T would be appreciated by me.
The current system is still going strong and can't complain, but would be nice to get a decent bump up.
Unless you're attempting to render a science fiction movie... Why? Price is pretty good, sometimes, but even moving to a 3800X will be a massive uplift in anything that utilizes your max thread count (currently) or more). The 3900X was (or is) as low as 339 bucks... 12/24 is gonna make that 4790 look like a Childs toy.

I know, because I ran a 4790K for a number of years. Been really happy with even the 5600X compared to it in price, efficiency and performance.
 

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Here's a damn good reason not to upgrade to the next gen Ryzen Platform

Asus AMD X670E Motherboards Listed, Starting at $670​

By Anton Shilov published about 18 hours ago
Up to $1260 for the extreme X670E model

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/asus-x670e-motherboards-listed

That's what's scaring me. I'm seeing that all over the place. I'm hoping this is happening just because they aren't supposed to be available yet. I'm not paying that kind of $ for a Mobo. Hell, I don't plan on paying 1/2 that. If that's what Zen 4 Mobos are going to be running, I'm going with team blue.
 

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Unless you're attempting to render a science fiction movie... Why? Price is pretty good, sometimes, but even moving to a 3800X will be a massive uplift in anything that utilizes your max thread count (currently) or more). The 3900X was (or is) as low as 339 bucks... 12/24 is gonna make that 4790 look like a Childs toy.

I know, because I ran a 4790K for a number of years. Been really happy with even the 5600X compared to it in price, efficiency and performance.
Thought about that, but as you can see, go very long between upgrades. Only update in the last few years was gpu going from 970 to 1080Ti. If upgrading now, delta between a whole new 5600 or 7950 may not be as big. Did not want to go older generation.

I run 2 VMs (VMWare Workstation) also almost all the time for side work and testing. With the current system, they have to be paused when gaming or editing in DaVinci Resolve. I know 7950x may still be overkill, so may compare it to the 7900 when the time comes.
 
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Thought about that, but as you can see, go very long between upgrades. Only update in the last few years was gpu going from 970 to 1080Ti. If upgrading now, delta between a whole new 5600 or 7950 may not be as big. Did not want to go older generation.

I run 2 VMs (VMWare Workstation) also almost all the time for side work and testing. With the current system, they have to be paused when gaming or editing in DaVinci Resolve. I know 7950x may still be overkill, so may compare it to the 7900 when the time comes.
If you have the money to burn, then go for it. However... PCIe5 Graphics cards doesn't really even exist yet. You will be getting shafted for early adopter fees. Though, like I said, if money is no object then do what you want to. I would suspect that the 5900X would be more than enough for you. However, you could easily go balls deep and grab the 5950X if you wanted to.

You're likely going to have a nice wait on your hands for the 7000 Series stuff. They're announcing stuff soon but the release\ & availability will take longer. My money is on more mainstream parts and core counts between 6-8 being available. Higher tier parts will be hard to get for a couple months.

You do whatever you want to. However, I would severely caution anyone against being an early adopter. There are a number of growing pains with each new architectural advancement. This will be no different in the beginning with the 7000 series.
 
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That's what's scaring me. I'm seeing that all over the place. I'm hoping this is happening just because they aren't supposed to be available yet. I'm not paying that kind of $ for a Mobo. Hell, I don't plan on paying 1/2 that. If that's what Zen 4 Mobos are going to be running, I'm going with team blue.
I'm guessing Team Blue is gonna cost you a pretty penny when the 13th Gen stuff drops. If your budget for a motherboard is 300 bucks, the new stuff will likely be sitting around 420 bucks for the bottom of the high end chipsets. Mid Level and low level releases could be months out and still debut at high prices.

You're looking at expense of the PCIe5 stuff and all the early adoption pricing for either team (Red or Blue) is going to reflect that. Once it has six months to a year+ to mass produce the hell out of the stuff, you might see prices come down. Assuming there isn't another global pandemic, nuclear exchange, or China Invades Taiwan...
 

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Here's a damn good reason not to upgrade to the next gen Ryzen Platform

Asus AMD X670E Motherboards Listed, Starting at $670​

By Anton Shilov published about 18 hours ago
Up to $1260 for the extreme X670E model

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/asus-x670e-motherboards-listed

I wont be upgrading at those costs, that is way to much money for just a motherboard. I will be happy to let them rot on the shelves until they realize those prices won't move product. 5900X does the job just fine for me.
 

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That's the extreme chipset. There's still going to be a regular X670, I think starting close to $200, and a B650.
The regular X670 is allegedly supposed to debut around 419 dollars.... No 200 bucks, maybe the B620 will be 200 bucks...
 

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The regular X670 is allegedly supposed to debut around 419 dollars.... No 200 bucks, maybe the B620 will be 200 bucks...
My bad--I had seen an article on Tom's Hardware recently, but i just went back and it was a Z690 board.

I've got a 5800X and a 12600K so I will probably skip both Raptor Lake and Zen 4.
 

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If you have the money to burn, then go for it. However... PCIe5 Graphics cards doesn't really even exist yet. You will be getting shafted for early adopter fees. Though, like I said, if money is no object then do what you want to. I would suspect that the 5900X would be more than enough for you. However, you could easily go balls deep and grab the 5950X if you wanted to.

You're likely going to have a nice wait on your hands for the 7000 Series stuff. They're announcing stuff soon but the release\ & availability will take longer. My money is on more mainstream parts and core counts between 6-8 being available. Higher tier parts will be hard to get for a couple months.

You do whatever you want to. However, I would severely caution anyone against being an early adopter. There are a number of growing pains with each new architectural advancement. This will be no different in the beginning with the 7000 series.
All valid points. When I am ready (may end up being another year again....anytime i am ready, something else comes up lol), may look at the 5900/5950 if this year.
 
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All valid points. When I am ready (may end up being another year again....anytime i am ready, something else comes up lol), may look at the 5900/5950 if this year.
You can add up to 128 Gigs of RAM to the current batch of X570 boards out there. I would imagine adding a ton of RAM and a serious uptick in cores will serve you incredibly well. Support for Intel series processors prior to 8th Gen drop off a cliff in 2024. I would hope that the 5000 series has a long and fruitful support cycle, but you never know... Now with MS intending to push out a new OS every 3 years. At least the bugs that hampered AMD on Win11 have all been, seemingly, ironed out. My front room 5600X seems faster than my den 5900X just from the OS alone. That was a fresh build with a spare windows 7 Pro COA I had laying around. Probably need to get around to doing the fresh build for my Den too... but I've been dragging my feet.
 

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I'm stuck on a Intel i5 10500 and 16GB of ram. I really want to upgrade and can do it via Intel but really want to go AMD this time around. Mainly to run a couple vm's I'd like an 8c/16t cpu with at least 32GB of ram. If the upgrade cost is way over an i7 plus more DDR4 ram I might wait this round out...ram is cheap enough but a 11700 is still too pricey.
 

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I would imagine we will have to give it a year or two before we see any of the "good stuff" in the DDR5 space at affordable prices. The stuff that comes out in the beginning of the release cycle is almost never what we end up with near the middle or end of it (unless you don't care about memory frequencies). I'm curious how AMD is handling their Fabric interconnects in the 7000 series and where the sweet spot for Memory will be (or if they will decouple it entirely at some point).

I jumped the gun on the 5900x when the prices dropped. They dropped yet a bit lower but I have not regretted my purchase in any way. It's a beast compared to the 5600X, but even that was pretty damn good. If you want the best value, grab an AMD 5000 series chip, cram some ram into it that Maxes the Fabric speeds and kick your feet up and sleep through a release generation or two. If you game, primarily, pickup a 3800X3D for like 350 bucks or less at Microcenter or on sale. This generation of AMD is probably going to be the last value platform for a long while. I expect PCIe5 to crank prices up across the board on motherboard releases. Nothing is gonna use it unless your aim is to have datacenter+ speeds in your home and pay top dollar for some new PCIe5 M.2 Drive. I'm running a PCIe4 drive with high durability and it's not the fastest (faster ones are 1/3 as durable) but its crazy fast compared to both my old M.2 PCIe3 and anything I have ever had before it. Fast enough.

My Advice, Save money, buy cheap and sit on your ass for a couple years loving the hell out of your rig that's more than capable of tackling everything that comes out for a good long while.

I have a Ryzen 3700X and ASRock X370 Killer SLI/AC. I am wanting to upgrade my motherboard as well, mainly because this one can only run one PCIe NVMe drive at full speeds if I am not mistaken. I do believe with new BIOS updates I am loosing some features, not sure if there are any relevant ones. The good news is it does support the 5800X3D, which I was considering. But assumed I would just go with an entirely new platform next. I went from a 1600X to a 2700X to my current 3700X, so I have been happy with ASRock and their support, and will likely buy from them again.

For RAM I just need something that would allow the CPU and RAM to run at full speeds. Back when I bought this board it was very finicky and required specific RAM (Samsung B-Die if I recall?). Which each BIOS update it got better but initially the RAM I had would run at a lower speed otherwise it wouldn't boot. That is what I am trying to avoid. I don't necessarily care much for overclocking of RAM, unless it is very helpful for performance.

If a board around the same quality as my current one is $400, I will of course consider grabbing a 5800X and holdout for another year or two. Assuming they're still in stock.
 
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I'm stuck on a Intel i5 10500 and 16GB of ram. I really want to upgrade and can do it via Intel but really want to go AMD this time around. Mainly to run a couple vm's I'd like an 8c/16t cpu with at least 32GB of ram. If the upgrade cost is way over an i7 plus more DDR4 ram I might wait this round out...ram is cheap enough but a 11700 is still too pricey.
Why don't you just source an upgrade on your current platform? The 10 Series Intel processors were actually pretty decent, 11th gen was lousy. Push that to an i7 or more that you find for cheap (if possible) and double your ram. I would love to sit here and extoll the virtues of doing a complete upgrade to AMD but... Use what you got, save some money and it will probably run great. If you have the disposable cash, then sure go AMD. A 10900K is less than 400 bucks and gives you 10 Cores and 20 Threads! That's a drop in processor (assuming your board can deliver power to it) that will save you a couple hundred bucks that you would require to fine tune a Ryzen platform with.
 
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I have a Ryzen 3700X and ASRock X370 Killer SLI/AC. I am wanting to upgrade my motherboard as well, mainly because this one can only run one PCIe NVMe drive at full speeds if I am not mistaken. I do believe with new BIOS updates I am loosing some features, not sure if there are any relevant ones. The good news is it does support the 5800X3D, which I was considering. But assumed I would just go with an entirely new platform next. I went from a 1600X to a 2700X to my current 3700X, so I have been happy with ASRock and their support, and will likely buy from them again.

For RAM I just need something that would allow the CPU and RAM to run at full speeds. Back when I bought this board it was very finicky and required specific RAM (Samsung B-Die if I recall?). Which each BIOS update it got better but initially the RAM I had would run at a lower speed otherwise it wouldn't boot. That is what I am trying to avoid. I don't necessarily care much for overclocking of RAM, unless it is very helpful for performance.

If a board around the same quality as my current one is $400, I will of course consider grabbing a 5800X and holdout for another year or two. Assuming they're still in stock.
A couple things. I haven't had any issues with NVMe drives on my 170 buck non WiFi ASUS TUF X570. I am running a PCIe4 Drive at full speeds (X370 only supports PCIe3 IIRC), prior to that I was running a PCIe3 at Full Speeds.

The 5800X3D is a great drop in option if you love your current setup

Make Sure you read up on your BIOS updates and update the board to the level you want.

Moving to the final 5000 Series Support BIOS is "allegedly" irreversible on 300-400 series boards and overwrites the MB's ability to support older chips. (This could be BS, but I have yet to verify this) Just make damn sure that's the route you want to take if you're going that way. Also, I have noticed that 5000 series support on older chipsets supposedly will not support 5000 Series IGPU parts. Not sure if people have tested this or not. All the BIOS updates for my current server says they are not supported while normal 5000X parts are. Wanted to upgrade my old 300 series to run a 5700G but I am afraid of hosing that board...

Chipsets prior to the 400 Series had issues with RAM Tuning. Much of this was resolved with BIOS updates. My B350 was very finnicky, but I eventually got it to run 3200Mhz with non B-Die Memory. I think the memory is less an issue now. Might be tricky to push a 300 or 400 series board past 3200 Mhz but it's still probably doable (with non Samsung B-Die memory). As far as I can tell, 500 Series AMD chipsets are drop in the RAM, pick the XMP profile and you're good (if you don't want to manually tweak the memory).

Not sure how Processors prior to the 3000 series will handle fabric speeds above 3200 memory speeds (Probably not well)
 

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Why don't you just source an upgrade on your current platform? The 10 Series Intel processors were actually pretty decent, 11th gen was lousy. Push that to an i7 or more that you find for cheap (if possible) and double your ram. I would love to sit here and extoll the virtues of doing a complete upgrade to AMD but... Use what you got, save some money and it will probably run great. If you have the disposable cash, then sure go AMD. A 10900K is less than 400 bucks and gives you 10 Cores and 20 Threads! That's a drop in processor (assuming your board can deliver power to it) that will save you a couple hundred bucks that you would require to fine tune a Ryzen platform with.

I already understand everything you said but sometimes you just want a change. And what hardcore gamer doesn't like to tinker with OC'ing to get more? 😁
 
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I already understand everything you said but sometimes you just want a change. And what hardcore gamer doesn't like to tinker with OC'ing to get more? 😁
Overclocking Ryzen is almost pointless. The amount of performance gains you will see are limited. FABRIC speed is what you really worry about, fully populating all your RAM slots adds a boost to Ryzen 3000 and up systems and I don't touch the frequencies anymore aside from settings I tweak in the BIOS.

Overclocking Intel, on the other hand, is more functional in my experience. I have done so on nearly every generation of their processors.
 

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Overclocking Ryzen is almost pointless. The amount of performance gains you will see are limited. FABRIC speed is what you really worry about, fully populating all your RAM slots adds a boost to Ryzen 3000 and up systems and I don't touch the frequencies anymore aside from settings I tweak in the BIOS.

Overclocking Intel, on the other hand, is more functional in my experience. I have done so on nearly every generation of their processors.

And yet I still what to change it up...tweaking the cpu, fabric speed and memory to tweak out the most sounds fun to me.
 
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And yet I still what to change it up...tweaking the cpu, fabric speed and memory to tweak out the most sounds fun to me.
As you wish

It's a Buzzkill on the AMD side. Setting Fabric Speed just means putting in Memory that's rated at a certain speed. Tweaking the CPU usually boils down to if you choose to enable an extended boost frequency in the BIOS, for another 100 Mhz. There is no real room to configure the 5000 series. You could do it with the 3000 series and below and it made a difference (I lit my VRM on fire on one motherboard trying to push a 3600X to its limits). Overclocking the 5000 series is boring.
 

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As you wish

It's a Buzzkill on the AMD side. Setting Fabric Speed just means putting in Memory that's rated at a certain speed. Tweaking the CPU usually boils down to if you choose to enable an extended boost frequency in the BIOS, for another 100 Mhz. There is no real room to configure the 5000 series. You could do it with the 3000 series and below and it made a difference (I lit my VRM on fire on one motherboard trying to push a 3600X to its limits). Overclocking the 5000 series is boring.

Good point...maybe side step with a 3000 series 8 core and sell the Intel combo. The games I play don't max out the cpu generally.
 
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Good point...maybe side step with a 3000 series 8 core and sell the Intel combo. The games I play don't max out the cpu generally.
I would totally avoid the 3000 series, it's slower than what you have by a fair margin in Single Threading and gaming capability. Ryzen didn't start really kicking Intel's behind until the 5000 series. Even then, the 10900K would likely edge out the 5800K in some benchmarks. You wouldn't see a boost until you moved to a 5900K. The 5800X3D will kill everything in the 10 Series lineup in Gaming ONLY. It's lower frequencies and locked overclocking will leave you slower in other non gaming applications (likely).
 
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Bowman15 if you have disposable income the 7000 series is likely to support more overclocking headroom. Looks like the 7700X is base clock around 4.5 and boosts to 5.4 Ghz. You will pay for early adoption dearly but the processor should be around 400 bucks, and the lowest of the X670 boards will be 400+ ... and then there's the issue of finding the correct DDR5 RAM and now knowing exactly what the sweet spot for the Ryzen Fabric. So, according to what you're saying, perhaps, risk taking and early adoption will yield the kind of stress nightmare you thrive in!

There's also the fact that the IHS seems to have "holes" in it... Will make for an interesting installation with TIM that is electrically conductive but is best for water cooling mounting. (I don't even think I would want to screw with it on the 7000 series, just use something like PK3, Arctic5 or Thermal Grizzly instead)

I always get a bit worried when I'm installing tech I have no experience with at the early adoption phase. You know, when I'm already 2+G's in the hole with the investment and things don't work...
 

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There's also the fact that the IHS seems to have "holes" in it... Will make for an interesting installation with TIM that is electrically conductive but is best for water cooling mounting. (I don't even think I would want to screw with it on the 7000 series, just use something like PK3, Arctic5 or Thermal Grizzly instead)

That confused me as well. I never really do much to apply my thermal paste/grease of choice. I just drop a dab in the middle. Seems like you'd have to be more careful applying it going forward.
 

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Here's a damn good reason not to upgrade to the next gen Ryzen Platform

Asus AMD X670E Motherboards Listed, Starting at $670​

By Anton Shilov published about 18 hours ago
Up to $1260 for the extreme X670E model

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/asus-x670e-motherboards-listed
This is what frustrates me if AMD doesn't basically solidly thrash Intel, all this "competition" these days is not making things cheaper for the customer. Ever since these companies figured out that people would pay asinine amounts thanks to shortages, tariffs, crypto-boom-bullshit-money-printing etc... they now decide "Well gee, if we do anything less than pump it that much we'lre leaving money on the table!" which is pretty insufferable and how things get worse. The Asus Crosshair Dark Hero, the top X570 board was $400-500 or so. By Intel's 11th and by the 12th gen Alder Lake Z690 we saw the Asus ROG Maximus Extreme was like $1100-1300 MSRP and the "Glacial" version was $2000 with the watercooling super-monoblock from EK. The prices have just gone insane and though part of it might be that PCI-E 5.0 / DDR 5 was new for this launch, most of it is "because they can". Intel has a special history of pricing things extra high and cutting out feature (remember how you needed some special key widget to unlock certain features on some X299 boards atop their existing price) and AMD usually tried to be the good guy by comparison. Now, we're seeing a time when bothh have figured out they can just price things to the moon and at least so far people will buy.

Suffice it to say if they're even thinking of this they better be damn confident that they're going to have some incredible performance and features. NO corners better be cut. I don't want to see 20gbps USB4 vs 40gbps and they need to be functionally Thunderbolt compatible.. 10Gb NIcs, WiFi 6E or 7. The PCB build quality, and VRMs better be godlike and they need to have the Zen4 equivalent of the "Dark Hero's Best of Both Worlds PBO for single few/cores + all core OC manual mode", overclocking support across the board, and the ability to disable the AMD PSP. That's to say nothing for the performance of the top end CPUs and the potential 3DCache version themselves, but if they're going to ask for insane pricing like this as the new normal regardless of circumstances I hope they at least don't halfass it.
 
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