AMD To Collaborate with ASMedia For PCIe 4.0 Chipsets

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  1. AlphaAtlas

    AlphaAtlas [H]ard|Gawd Staff Member

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    Citing "industry sources," a recent report from Digitimes claims that ASMedia Technology is "expected to land contract design orders for all mainstream PCIe chips from AMD even after the US chipmaker rolls out X570 motherboard chipsets that support PCIe 4.0 in mid-2019." However, in the same sentence, the report says that ASMedia won't tape out their PCIe 4.0 solutions until the end of 2019. This seemingly corroborates an earlier report from GamersNexus claiming that X570 motherboards will launch with AMD designed, Epyc derived chipsets that support PCIe 4.0, but also suggests that AMD will continue to partner with ASMedia for lower-end "X500 series" chipsets.

    Despite speculation that AMD will stop working with ASMedia in the development of next-generation 500 series motherboard PCH chipset after developing X570 motherboard chipsets on its own, ASMedia has maintained that its partnership with AMD in the next-generation 500 series chipsets will remain unchanged,as it has secured all the orders for mainstream motherboard PCH chipsets, the sources said. The company will roll out complete tape-outs for PCIe 4.0 solutions by the end of 2019, the sources added.
     
  2. ole-m

    ole-m Limp Gawd

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    Seems like this is really what's delaying zen2, not really cpu's :p
     
  3. Legendary Gamer

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    The initial EPYC derived silicon will be costly, they're looking at ASMedia to churn out some low cost stuff for the lower end. So, the timing is gonna be about right. AMD will release their higher end chips first before they roll out their super affordable chips anyway.
     
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    Guess that means that the speculation that the 500 series will be a scaled down eypc chipset that idles at 15 watts is also wrong?
     
  5. lucidrenegade

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    Considering EPYC doesn't have an external chipset like Ryzen does, AMD must be pulling the I/O related stuff from EPYC to create one from scratch.
     
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    Never had a particularly good time with ASMedia products in past so will be definitely aiming for earlier Zen2 stuff if this is the case... once you guys have beta tested it for a month or two ;P
     
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    I agree, I have always hated their controllers on any system I've worked with. ASMedia sucks.
     
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    You do realize asmedia created both ryzen chipsets? So if you buy any ryzen anything, its running on asmedia.
     
  9. Legendary Gamer

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    Now that you mention it... LOL!!!! I only own one board Tomahawk B350. Yeah, you're right! I remember reading that... Shit happens, I am always happy to admit when I'm an idiot! ;)

    I read what you wrote, thought for a second... laughed out loud and responded.

    I, however, have had a ton of bad experiences with anything ASMedia related on Intel MBs and any sort of add in card that possessed their chips in the past couple years.
     
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    Oh yes i know all to well on the "fake" pci-e adapters. Look in device manager, and your "pcie serial card" is really a pci serial, with an AS adapter chip that converts to to pci-e. I have even seen it go backwards, and bought what i thought was a real pci card, and found out its a new pci-e chipset, that has an AS chip that converts it back to pci...
     
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  11. Zarathustra[H]

    Zarathustra[H] Official Forum Curmudgeon

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    Yeah, didn't Asmedia have a major fail last time around causing all kinds of delays and problems for AMD?
     
  12. Zarathustra[H]

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    I think Asmedia gets a bad rap because of all the cheap StarTech type junk their chipsets go into.

    Hopefully AMD has greater validation requirements on them than their typical products. If you set strict enough requirements and require that they pass them, you aren't going to be launching junk, but you could wind up with delays when they fail the first N times. (This is my best guess for what happened with the Asmedia delays when Ryzen first launched)
     
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    On a side note, please please please offer some sort of motherboard/chipset configuration able to split all of that juicy delicious bandwidth from those fancy PCIe 4.0 lanes going to the chipset into a larger quantity of previous gen PCIe lanes available as slots on the motherboard.

    Limited expansion abilities for my legacy first and second gen PCIe cards is the sole reason I have been hesitant about buying Ryzen thus far.
     
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    I think the worst part of it is that you find their chips on every generic board on the planet these days. QC is a lot worse on those than even the StarTech ones.

    I would suspect you're right on the validation requirements.

    I had completely forgotten they worked on the AMD Ryzen chip-set. I'm gonna have to cut them some slack in the future. The biggest issues I had with Ryzen were the BIOS/Microcode support. I still don't think I'm running a formalized BIOS on my Tomahawk 350, still have a Beta BIOS on it. They (MSI) were so slow to get their BIOS updates out when I picked up that 1700. I had no issues with the chip set at all. Considering the motherboard just kept on delivering better and better performance with each version of Microcode AMD released says something about ASMedia not sucking on AMD ;).

    Totally agree about sharing the PCI-E 4.0 bandwidth.
     
  15. Zarathustra[H]

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    I think a lot of this is that motherboard manufacturers have gotten used to paying very little attention to AMD solutions because the volume hasn't been there. As AMD solutions become more and more popular I don't think they can justify letting their AMD boards be second class citizens anymore. At least that is my hope.
     
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