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I concur. Can't watch because throttled net connection. Could someone write a short summary?
Clearing inventory and corona-chan has fucked up everything this year..I like Robert so I'm just picking on him here. But if AMD wants to bring faster performance to market as fast as possible why are they delaying 4000 series?
I like Robert so I'm just picking on him here. But if AMD wants to bring faster performance to market as fast as possible why are they delaying 4000 series?
Meh, didn't get intel's shit, not getting this either. Take the flame bait elsewhere.LOL. AMD becomes Intel? Same uarch, slightly higher clocks. AMD fans rejoice.
Big MEH.
LOL. AMD becomes Intel? Same uarch, slightly higher clocks. AMD fans rejoice.
Big MEH.
I may just go ahead and get a 3700X. The deals right now on it are pretty good. Zen 3 might be delayed or more expensive on launch.
Getting the right motherboard for a good price seems to be the bigger hurdle right now. I want PCI-E 4.0 for future-proofing but B550 motherboards are mostly out of stock right now and the X570 boards are higher priced. The cases I'm interested in are either out of stock or marked up way too high.Yeah. Right now the B450 boards are much cheaper than the B550 boards, and the R5 3600 and R7 3700X are very well-priced. A B550 board and XT cpu seem like a comparatively poor value.
Yeah. Right now the B450 boards are much cheaper than the B550 boards, and the R5 3600 and R7 3700X are very well-priced. A B550 board and XT cpu seem like a comparatively poor value.
I agree they will wait to release but likely will keep developing in the background.I think what this really means is that AMD doesn't see any need to rush to market with the Ryzen 4000 series. I think it makes business sense to AMD to delay the CPU. The reasons could be numerous, but Zen2 is doing just fine against Intel right now. I think the XT series CPU's also show us that the yields on these CPU's are getting better and they can start offering them with slightly higher boost clocks. This will only help them on the gaming front and extend the lead over Intel's Comet Lake / Cascade Lake-X CPU's outside of gaming.
Competition isn't just about always having the better product. It's a chess game involving business decisions as much or more than anything else. Hell, a lot of time the better product isn't what wins. It's releasing the right product at the right time and pricing it appropriately. AMD's done excellent work since Ryzen launched and it's made all the right moves since then with only a few stumbles here and there. I think B550 has come way too late and the APU model numbering is stupid. Otherwise, AMD's done well here. It clearly has no reason to worry about Comet Lake or Cascade Lake-X. Continuing to improve on Zen3 and wait to counter Intel's next move makes sense.
Yeah. Right now the B450 boards are much cheaper than the B550 boards, and the R5 3600 and R7 3700X are very well-priced. A B550 board and XT cpu seem like a comparatively poor value.
Those price increases can't be right.
AMD is nowhere near as far ahead as Intel used to be, they can't be this reckless with good will.
Can they?
They're not price increases; they're the same price as the parts they're replacing were at launch.
pretty much what brothermichigan said, they're not increasing prices.. they lowered all the non XT chip prices and put the XT chips at the original release price of the old x series chips.. if they were pulling an intel they would of put the 3800XT at 500 dollars and EOL'd the chips they were replacing since that's essentially what intel did when they replaced the 9900k with the 9900KS.
The difference is, this is a 6 month refresh.... Not a 6th year refresh. I always figured zen would be announced this year but not actually ship until Q1 2021... Less than 1 year after a 15% IPC increase seems a bit to fast to release a new uarch. I'm not super excited about the refresh, but they could have done absolutely nothing too... Yields are getting better so they are passing it on to the customer without charging more than normal MSRP. If they cancelled zen3 and said this was it, then I'd compare it to what Intel has been doing, but that's just not the case.LOL. AMD becomes Intel? Same uarch, slightly higher clocks. AMD fans rejoice.
Big MEH.
Paper launch it in October and they haven't told a lie? Start shipping in April and boom all promises kept and goals met.AMD is still on record as saying Zen 3 will be launched early Q4.
Paper launch it in October and they haven't told a lie? Start shipping in April and boom all promises kept and goals met.
Meh.
I may just go ahead and get a 3700X. The deals right now on it are pretty good. Zen 3 might be delayed or more expensive on launch.
Well not necessarily a paper launch, but a very limited supply one essentially what they did with the 3000 launch they "Launched" in Q4 2019 but deliveries didn't start happening until Q1 of 2020 and even those for the first bit were 3 or 4 processors at a time.Possibly, since they just said "launch," but there's no reason to think there will be a gap anywhere near this large. AMD has been very good with execution under Lisa Su and getting these parts on the market by the holidays would be a big deal, especially given that Intel probably won't have a competitor available in time. The XT parts aren't nearly as exciting.
Yeah, I think the demand is there to make any stock disappear quick on release. I'm just impressed they have a new chip releasing so close to zen2 considering the 10-15% boost that gave us. Of course. I want it sooner, but really they have to sell these for some time to make money, lol. Intel milked 2-3% gains for years, not 12 months and I didn't hear so much complaining about it getting pushed back (maybe it was because there wasn't any excitement, lol).Well not necessarily a paper launch, but a very limited supply one essentially what they did with the 3000 launch they "Launched" in Q4 2019 but deliveries didn't start happening until Q1 of 2020 and even those for the first bit were 3 or 4 processors at a time.
Why do people keep saying this, the price is the same as what it's replacing. So 5-10% performance.for the same exact price... yet people are complaining. I understand with zen3 being so close there is good reason to wait (I'll most likely wait as well), but that doesn't mean extra performance at the same price is a crappy deal or somehow AMD trying to take advantage of people, lol. They could have not given us any extra performance and people would still buy them. Now they get a slight bit more most likely due to yields improving. Imagine Intel offered a 9700kt that was a 9700k but 5% faster and charged the same??? Yeah I can't really imagine it either.Pretty much. 4%ish increase in performance at 20% markup in price. I'll wait until Zen 3.
Sounds to me AMD had a bunch of binned CPU's lying around and need to offload them.