I mean,green is fine, I'd take a black or grey PCB if available , but that's about it. No decorative ramsinks, racing stripes or lights.
Lean, green and 32GB a stick - Samsung M-die, $142 at Ava.
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I mean,green is fine, I'd take a black or grey PCB if available , but that's about it. No decorative ramsinks, racing stripes or lights.
Well, you do realize that the only reason we got Bulldozer is because AMD didn't have enough money to spend on R&D, and the reason for that was that Intel illegally blocked them out of OEM sales and sabotaged performance in their popular compiler.
Sure, they settled for a billion dollars, but that was a fraction of the damage Intel did. They just had a near bankrupt AMD over a barrel and more or less forced them to settle for peanuts because they needed the money as soon as possible.
In the absence of competition - however - Intel have given us generation after generation of embarrassingly bad single digit performance increases.
I welcome this turn of events, and although AMD may not be quite as fast as Intel for gaming purposes, I look forward to buying one of their chips.
The true evil here is Intel. They have been a shady company from day one, with no qualms about using shameful litigation tactics to try to kill any competition.
Intel and the x86 Architecture: A Legal Perspective
I have reluctantly been using Intel for several years now, as I hated giving a shitty company like that my money, and finally I don't have to anymore.
Zen 2 IPC is pretty close to, if not above, current gen Intel stuff across the board. The big reason Zen 2 doesn't win out across the board is simply clock speed. Intel is promising big IPC gains from their Icelake mobile chips. If that holds true on the 10nm desktop parts I think we'll have proof of Intel resting on its laurels.As far as milking the mainstream with low core counts and new sockets/chipset goes.. Intel definitely deserves all the criticism they get.
However, regarding single digit performance gaines, since AMD hasn't actually surpassed Intel yet, I'm not yet convinced that Intel hasn't wrung x86 for almost everything they can get. We need to wait and see if AMD can actually surpass Intel and kick off some real performance leapfrogging to know if they were holding back.
Zen 2 IPC is pretty close to, if not above, current gen Intel stuff across the board. The big reason Zen 2 doesn't win out across the board is simply clock speed. Intel is promising big IPC gains from their Icelake mobile chips. If that holds true on the 10nm desktop parts I think we'll have proof of Intel resting on its laurels.
There's the patriot viper 4's too, red, but $104 for 16GB 3733c17, probably sammy. unknown availability, though.Lean, green and 32GB a stick - Samsung M-die, $142 at Ava.
All companies make bad products. I see Netburst didn't turn you away from Intel nor did Fermi turn you away from Nvidia.
Ha, this guy holds the record for the stupidest post in this thread, that's for sure. Bulldozer has nothing on the piece of shit Pentium D 820 and its ilk.
Netburst was an Epic fail, especially when tied to Rambus RAM (though not quite as bad as Bulldozer which had less then half the per core performance of the competition at the time in many workloads, and actually moved backwards in IPC compared to Phenom II), but what did you have against Fermi?
Both the GTX 480 and the GTX 580 were the fastest GPU's money could buy when they launched, and they were great products.
I had a GTX 470 that overclocked like a bat out of hell back then, and upgraded to a 580 after the refresh. No regrets.
Sure, they ran a little hot, but they were pushing the limits of what the 40nm process at the time could do.
Well, you do realize that the only reason we got Bulldozer is because AMD didn't have enough money to spend on R&D, and the reason for that was that Intel illegally blocked them out of OEM sales and sabotaged performance in their popular compiler.
Sure, they settled for a billion dollars, but that was a fraction of the damage Intel did. They just had a near bankrupt AMD over a barrel and more or less forced them to settle for peanuts because they needed the money as soon as possible.
In the absence of competition - however - Intel have given us generation after generation of embarrassingly bad single digit performance increases.
I welcome this turn of events, and although AMD may not be quite as fast as Intel for gaming purposes, I look forward to buying one of their chips.
The true evil here is Intel. They have been a shady company from day one, with no qualms about using shameful litigation tactics to try to kill any competition.
Intel and the x86 Architecture: A Legal Perspective
I have reluctantly been using Intel for several years now, as I hated giving a shitty company like that my money, and finally I don't have to anymore.
It's not just clocks. Getting to 5ghz still wouldn't bring it to complete parity, but it would be close enough and of course dominate in multi-threaded.
I'm hoping AMD rewards consumers with their loyalty by giving us a Zen2+ with higher clocks that is mostly compatible with current chipsets.
For the first time in over a decade, AMD has reached IPC parity with Intel.
On average, based on the results of 32 individual workloads Zen 2 even manages to provide slightly higher average IPC than Coffee Lake-S Refresh.
Thanks to it AVX-512 resources Skylake-X manages to stay a head in this test suite however, not by a large margin.
Well, the way I’m reading those charts is that post update the 7600 is not faster. Am I misreading something?
No you are not misreading. Our friend here is just trying to marginalize the improvements in one of the worst performing games for Ryzen.
If true then you know Intel has been majorly sandbagging big time.
I just looked on Amazon, 3700x appears in stock for me.Any idea when to expect these CPUs to actually be in stock? I'm too busy to constantly check newegg and Amazon. Signed up for email notifications on 3700x-3800x.
I only upgrade every half decade.. haven't seen things sell out this way in ages, either yields are low or desktop pc enthusiasm at an all time high.
The 7600k sits right up with the top-end Ryzen CPUs at 1080p, and above all of them at 1440p.
I just looked on Amazon, 3700x appears in stock for me.
In the pre-patch charts yes it does, post patch the 7600k wasn’t shown. And given that it appears the Intel parts shown didn’t change much with the patch it stands to reason that the results of the 7600k also didn’t change much and is now lower than the Ryzen parts shown.
Well, all of the AMD CPUs were below all of the Intel CPUs on pre- and post-patch charts at 1440p.
At least that’s a valid statement even if you just moved the goal post.Well, all of the AMD CPUs were below all of the Intel CPUs on pre- and post-patch charts at 1440p.
Does anyone know if x570 with a 12 core supports pcie 4.0 bifurcation?
Yep my mistake, definitely above MSRP.Retail price or third party seller asking $100 more??? I can't find them for $329
This all leaves the question: How many other games favor intel in such a manor and don't get patched to properly support AMD? I am not saying that is the case, but we have no real way of knowing.
Any idea when to expect these CPUs to actually be in stock? I'm too busy to constantly check newegg and Amazon. Signed up for email notifications on 3700x-3800x.
I only upgrade every half decade.. haven't seen things sell out this way in ages, either yields are low or desktop pc enthusiasm at an all time high.
Does anyone know if the current AMD AGESA shipping with most x570 motherboards will post with a 3950x when they ship?
I'm tempted to order my motherboard now, so I make sure I get the one I want, but I don't want to wind up being stuck with a board I need to flash and no CPU to flash it with come September.
The CPU support list for boards should mention whether they support the 3950X or not. If not there are quite a few X570 boards with BIOS Flashback so you won’t need a CPU installed to update. I think MSI and Gigabyte have it along most of their X570 line.
ASUS Support said:As per our product engineers, any X570 chipset board will support the 3rd generation Ryzen CPUs out of the box. It will not require any BIOS updates for this to work with the 3950x.
I would not buy a MB now for a build happening months in the future.
Why?
Because a lot of MB vendors revise their boards (silkscreen v1.01, etc.) and the improvements could be nice to have or might even be somewhat important to have. For example, the very early C7H boards had an issue with voltage readings in software being off by 0.05V that was corrected in a revised version of the board. Details about this issue are in this post: https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?101617-Crosshair-VII-Hero-Essential-Info-Thread
I would not buy a MB now for a build happening months in the future.
Why?
Because a lot of MB vendors revise their boards (silkscreen v1.01, etc.) and the improvements could be nice to have or might even be somewhat important to have. For example, the very early C7H boards had an issue with voltage readings in software being off by 0.05V that was corrected in a revised version of the board. Details about this issue are in this post: https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?101617-Crosshair-VII-Hero-Essential-Info-Thread
Not trying to argue with you but MSI just updated much of their MB lineup to switch to 32 MB BIOS sizes. https://www.techpowerup.com/257240/...400-series-motherboards-with-256mb-bios-chipsThis is true, but revisions like that aren't all that common.
That is understandable.I'm just concerned that once launch quantities are depleted, there may be shortages.
This is a real possibility. Also, if you were thinking about getting B die memory, better to get it now before stock runs out AND prices are low-ish.I'm also concerned RAM and SSD's are going to spike back up in price
Not trying to argue with you but MSI just updated much of their MB lineup to switch to 32 MB BIOS sizes. https://www.techpowerup.com/257240/...400-series-motherboards-with-256mb-bios-chips
I'll have to take your word that revisions are rare since I only buy one board during its production lifetime. I just know that in the past, I've seen many versions of MBs that I own mentioned in forums and I usually have the earliest version of the board much to my chagrin.
That is understandable.
This is a real possibility. Also, if you were thinking about getting B die memory, better to get it now before stock runs out AND prices are low-ish.
I wouldn’t worry about buying a MB now is what I’m trying to say.
I've also seen slight changes to component selection even if the PCB revision markings never changed.
From my limited experience with the board industry (boards for custom medical equipment, not PC Motherboards) usually these changes have to do with parts obsolescence. There are so many little components on a board, and not all of them have long term lifespans, and their replacements may be subtly different to the point where they are not a drop in replacement. You often have to re-spin boards, not because something was wrong with the old ones, or because you are adding features, but simply in order to make the design work with the new replacement parts work.
This was huge during the implementation of the European ROHS directive which - among other things - banned the use of lead in most products causing electronics manufacturers to scramble. It was technically passed in 2003 and went into effect in 2006, but there were so many loop holes in the original version that implementation on many products was delayed and hit different companies depending on how their legal departments interpreted the regulation in different years.
In some cases previous leaded parts were discontinued in favor of parts without lead, causing board makers to scramble. In other cases the board makers were taking the initiative to produce ROHS compliant boards on their own initiative.
I've seen several board designs first hand that just stop working once you replace the old leaded parts with newer unleaded ones, having to be troubleshot and respun.
I think you should wait to get your board until a new revision comes out. What if they add a bunch of RGB to the board in the next revision, you wouldn't want to miss out on that right?Does anyone know if the current AMD AGESA shipping with most x570 motherboards will post with a 3950x when they ship?
I'm tempted to order my motherboard now, so I make sure I get the one I want, but I don't want to wind up being stuck with a board I need to flash and no CPU to flash it with come September.
I think you should wait to get your board until a new revision comes out. What if they add a bunch of RGB to the board in the next revision, you wouldn't want to miss out on that right?
I'm pretty sure that's exactly what he wants to miss out on.
Does anyone know if the current AMD AGESA shipping with most x570 motherboards will post with a 3950x when they ship?
I'm tempted to order my motherboard now, so I make sure I get the one I want, but I don't want to wind up being stuck with a board I need to flash and no CPU to flash it with come September.
We have absolutely no idea. The best thing you could do if you want to buy the board now is to buy one that supports flashing without a CPU or RAM installed.
If you look up a few posts, I contacted ASUS support. They claim their engineers say that it should be out of the box compatible with any current or future Ryzen 3000 chips, presumaböu provided there are no major architectural changes.
Retail price or third party seller asking $100 more??? I can't find them for $329
You got me Z.I feel like he might be intentionally sarcastic