AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D Has the CCD on Top of the 3D V-cache Die, Not Under it

Flogger23m said:
I feel like they might to get market share and push more people onto AM5 platform. Though depending on how much demand there is and how many they can get on shelves maybe the price will stay up there. For the first time in a long time AMD is truly on top for gaming, so I suppose they can keep the price high. Unless BIOS/motherboard updates do something the current Intel releases are certainly not going to be popular for gaming.
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AMD isn't probably worried about Intel as much as their older lineup of hardware they have to compete with. When your new CPU has a ~3% increase in gaming performance compared to your older generation then your older products are now your biggest competitor. If people are still buying Intel then it's out of habit at this point. I don't know about getting people onto AM5 since the 5700X3D is still a good performer and can be picked up for $200 new. Someone with a 2700X or even a 1700X can either spend over $700 on a 7800X3D+motherboard+DDR5 and most likely a grand for a 9800X3D setup, or buy a $200 5700X3D and get a massive performance boost for gaming. I know what I would do. The only reason to go for a 7800X3D/9800X3D is for AVX-512, if you're running an OS like CachyOS which does take advantage of AVX-512. As far as I know, there's no games that make use of AVX-512. AMD really needs to push developers to add support for AVX-512, because I'm sure that would be a bigger boost on their newer CPU's.
 
xDiVolatilX said:
Why not just bookmark and frequent the actual news hardware websites and get a dozen headlines at your own leisure rather than having someone regurgitate it or repost it? Just dumping links half a dozen times a day is thirsty for engagement and not really organic. What if everyone did this? Having lots of members reposting headlines over and over for post count or whatever it's a bit cringe. Ask a real question or have a real discussion not just dumping links endlessly. It's basically literally spam posting which there is a good amount of already, no need to flood it with hundreds of tech feeds coming from every angle of the Internet.
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I prefer things the way they are now but please feel free to go to different sites for your news. This subforum would be pretty dead without erek’s on topic contributions. Sorry you don’t like it- there are lots of other subforums you can frequent so you don’t have to get offended by what goes on in here. Strangely there does seem to be a fair amount of discussion so I don’t think you have much of a valid point anyway.
 
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I also just noticed that this subforum is among the highest in terms of posts/engagement on the site so it seems what erek is doing gets the traffic aka lots of people like it and use his posts as the basis for user discussions. I fail to see a problem here.
 
gtrguy said:
I prefer things the way they are now but please feel free to go to different sites for your news. This subforum would be pretty dead without erek’s contributions. Sorry you don’t like it- there are lots of other subforums you can frequent so you don’t have to get offended by what goes on in here. Strangely there does seem to be a fair amount of discussion so I don’t think you have much of a valid point anyway.
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gtrguy said:
I also just noticed that this subforum is among the highest in terms of posts/engagement on the site so it seems what erek is doing gets the traffic aka lots of people like it and use his posts as the basis for user discussions. I fail to see a problem here.
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If you're the equivalent of living under a rock and want to put blinders on and depend on some random posts spammed on a forum then yes it's your preferred way of getting your information I suppose.
Or if your in touch with the tech world like most enthusiasts you already have seen everything getting reposted and spam.
There isn't much going on in the tech world. Once any development is made 1200 YouTube channels and other apps and sites all follow suit and copy and paste basically stealing each other's content for clout clicks and views. Most headlines get reposted and re-uploaded and regurgitated hundreds and hundreds of times in different languages all over the world wide web.

If you want a great source of hardware information you can go to one of the most popular sites for example gamers nexus website or YouTube channel Steve covers pretty much literally everything in one fall swoop and that's just one site.

So hundreds of others just regurgitating it is repetitive. So for me for example, I just have to scroll through the repost spam content on every site forum or videos everywhere.

Kinda like when someone asks a question and then gets DMs from moderators saying you have violated the rules of the site for a question that was already discussed and it being spam and should have searched first rather than repost etc The whole world is aware of it yet claiming that little Timmy reposting is the most valuable source for them is laughing 🤣

If you need someone to consolidate your news there are hundreds of tech influencers and sites that do it. Depending on a random is your choice but to me it's just spam. Lol.
 
xDiVolatilX said:
If you're the equivalent of living under a rock and want to put blinders on and depend on some random posts spammed on a forum then yes it's your preferred way of getting your information I suppose.
Or if your in touch with the tech world like most enthusiasts you already have seen everything getting reposted and spam.
There isn't much going on in the tech world. Once any development is made 1200 YouTube channels and other apps and sites all follow suit and copy and paste basically stealing each other's content for clout clicks and views. Most headlines get reposted and re-uploaded and regurgitated hundreds and hundreds of times in different languages all over the world wide web.

If you want a great source of hardware information you can go to one of the most popular sites for example gamers nexus website or YouTube channel Steve covers pretty much literally everything in one fall swoop and that's just one site.

So hundreds of others just regurgitating it is repetitive. So for me for example, I just have to scroll through the repost spam content on every site forum or videos everywhere.

Kinda like when someone asks a question and then gets DMs from moderators saying you have violated the rules of the site for a question that was already discussed and it being spam and should have searched first rather than repost etc The whole world is aware of it yet claiming that little Timmy reposting is the most valuable source for them is laughing 🤣

If you need someone to consolidate your news there are hundreds of tech influencers and sites that do it. Depending on a random is your choice but to me it's just spam. Lol.
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This is one of very few sites I visit. It works for me. Why are you here?
 
I am looking forward to the 9950x3d, it seems like the perfect upgrade to my very aging 3960x (which has proven to be the most amazing jack-of-all-trades system I’ve owned since the i7 920 so long ago.). 9950x3d would be a moderate boost in overall processing power and a big boost to gaming as well.
 
sphinx99 said:
I am looking forward to the 9950x3d, it seems like the perfect upgrade to my very aging 3960x (which has proven to be the most amazing jack-of-all-trades system I’ve owned since the i7 920 so long ago.). 9950x3d would be a moderate boost in overall processing power and a big boost to gaming as well.
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I am interested in the 9950x3d too, but
1. I don't need it as my 5950x does what I want
2. I want to wait a year or more to see if there are any issues with it
3. I don't know for my specific workloads what will be best...gaming is a distant 3rd or 4th
4. I am cheap and would like a lower price
 
DooKey said:
Yep, just like NV is doing.
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I felt that.

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1.1.2.3.5... said:
I am interested in the 9950x3d too, but
1. I don't need it as my 5950x does what I want
2. I want to wait a year or more to see if there are any issues with it
3. I don't know for my specific workloads what will be best...gaming is a distant 3rd or 4th
4. I am cheap and would like a lower price
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I would only be interested if it had both ccd's with v-cache and a way higher boost clock.

Like a base clock 5ghz with boost to 5.7-5.8. I bet that would sell well.
 
Brackle said:
I would only be interested if it had both ccd's with v-cache and a way higher boost clock.

Like a base clock 5ghz with boost to 5.7-5.8. I bet that would sell well.
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I'm pretty confident the 9950X3D will have a 5.6 or 5.7 boost clock.

I'm not so sure about vcache on both CCDs. My guess is either just more vcache (than 9800X3D) on one CCD. Or, they did somethin like a cache chiplet, as a sort of L4 cache. And its larger and is shared between both CCD.
 
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chameleoneel said:
I'm pretty confident the 9950X3D will have a 5.6 or 5.7 boost clock.

I'm not so sure about vcache on both CCDs. My guess is either just more vcache (than 9800X3D) on one CCD. Or, they did somethin like a cache chiplet, as a sort of L4 cache. And its larger and is shared between both CCD.
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Yeah that would be a no go in my book. People want v-cache on both CCD's. AMD knows this.....
 
The Ryzen 9800x3d can be overclocked, and it has the vcache in the right place. That's pretty much a selling point for me right there.
 
I see a lot of people already labeling this as a success and a big upgrade over what is already out there, and I would like to kindly remind everyone to temper expectations until independent review are out with full details. Lest we forget that AMD never misses and opportunity to miss an opportunity. Zen 5 has already proven to be more of a side-grade than anything else, and it would be better to continue thinking that and be pleasantly surprised than to get hype and be disappointed with reality later.
 
ZeroBarrier said:
I see a lot of people already labeling this as a success and a big upgrade over what is already out there, and I would like to kindly remind everyone to temper expectations until independent review are out with full details. Lest we forget that AMD never misses and opportunity to miss an opportunity. Zen 5 has already proven to be more of a side-grade than anything else, and it would be better to continue thinking that and be pleasantly surprised than to get hype and be disappointed with reality later.
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GPU bound states will still be GPU bound.
I mean some people buy 4090’s and 9800x3d’s to play at 1080p, but I can’t imagine there are many of them.
 
I think it does make sense for the CCD to be on top even with the heat sensitivity of the cache since it won't have to dump most of that heat through the cache. If true it will be interesting to see if there's any increase or decrease in cache latency with the new configuration as well.

The last generation AMD released the higher core count x3d CPUs first in what seemed like an attempt to sell as many as possible before the 7800x3d was released. AMD releasing the 9800x3d first this time has me curious if the higher core 3d chips will be better this time, even with the rumors of 3d cache on both CCDs I'm skeptical that they'll be better than the 9800x3d in gaming but the release order does make me wonder if they have something up their sleeve.
 
Ebernanut said:
I think it does make sense for the CCD to be on top even with the heat sensitivity of the cache since it won't have to dump most of that heat through the cache. If true it will be interesting to see if there's any increase or decrease in cache latency with the new configuration as well.

The last generation AMD released the higher core count x3d CPUs first in what seemed like an attempt to sell as many as possible before the 7800x3d was released. AMD releasing the 9800x3d first this time has me curious if the higher core 3d chips will be better this time, even with the rumors of 3d cache on both CCDs I'm skeptical that they'll be better than the 9800x3d in gaming but the release order does make me wonder if they have something up their sleeve.
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You make a good point, I remember the 7800X3D being delayed, because AMD wanted to double-dip and get those sweet-sweet FOMO buyers grabbing the higher-end parts before something more affordable was available.

I always say: expect a company to do whatever makes them the most money. So if the performance of the dual-CCD CPUs is going to be higher, I would expect them to milk it.
 
Brackle said:
Yeah that would be a no go in my book. People want v-cache on both CCD's. AMD knows this.....
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Yes, everyone has been saying they want it... but will enough of them still want it at at least $100 over the 7950X3D and 7900X3D? And it remains to be seen whether or not v-cache on both CCDs will resolve the stutter problem on the 7950X3Ds and 7900X3Ds. That is once again not mentioning the fact that almost no game is scaling past 8 cores and a very limited number is scaling past 6 cores.
 
Tsumi said:
Yes, everyone has been saying they want it... but will enough of them still want it at at least $100 over the 7950X3D and 7900X3D? And it remains to be seen whether or not v-cache on both CCDs will resolve the stutter problem on the 7950X3Ds and 7900X3Ds. That is once again not mentioning the fact that almost no game is scaling past 8 cores and a very limited number is scaling past 6 cores.
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I hope that whatever tools AMD has implemented to prevent games from spanning the two CCDs isn't "Oh just configure Game Bar"
Because that hurts.
 
Tsumi said:
Yes, everyone has been saying they want it... but will enough of them still want it at at least $100 over the 7950X3D and 7900X3D? And it remains to be seen whether or not v-cache on both CCDs will resolve the stutter problem on the 7950X3Ds and 7900X3Ds. That is once again not mentioning the fact that almost no game is scaling past 8 cores and a very limited number is scaling past 6 cores.
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That also depends on how long you keep your CPU. A decade ago there wasn't much of a spread between 4 core i5, and 8 "core" i7 processors; but the latter aged a lot better.
 
DanNeely said:
That also depends on how long you keep your CPU. A decade ago there wasn't much of a spread between 4 core i5, and 8 "core" i7 processors; but the latter aged a lot better.
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My 11 year old 8-core E5-1680V2 was barely keeping up with a GTX 1080Ti and definitely could not keep up with my RTX 3080Ti. In World of Warships, my GPU utilization with the 3080Ti was averaging 40% with CPU utilization barely exceeding 30%, which meant at least 4 of my cores were useless. The 7800X3D immediately sent GPU utilization to 100% while CPU utilization decreased to about 20%.

The simulation and RTS games I play demand all the single threaded performance they can get and benefit from the v-cache, hence choosing the 7800X3D a few months ago over a 7600X. But based on my admittedly limited experience, by the time the 7800X3D and 9800X3D become core-count limited in games, it will be time for a full platform upgrade anyways.
 
Tsumi said:
My 11 year old 8-core E5-1680V2 was barely keeping up with a GTX 1080Ti and definitely could not keep up with my RTX 3080Ti. In World of Warships, my GPU utilization with the 3080Ti was averaging 40% with CPU utilization barely exceeding 30%, which meant at least 4 of my cores were useless. The 7800X3D immediately sent GPU utilization to 100% while CPU utilization decreased to about 20%.

The simulation and RTS games I play demand all the single threaded performance they can get and benefit from the v-cache, hence choosing the 7800X3D a few months ago over a 7600X. But based on my admittedly limited experience, by the time the 7800X3D and 9800X3D become core-count limited in games, it will be time for a full platform upgrade anyways.
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I'm not disagreeing that both are obsolete today (even though I am still using a i7-4790k). There was a few year wide window when the i7s could still give decent performance but the i5s were starting to struggle in a lot of titles. While most games will probably always benefit from single threaded performance they managed to scale out enough to choke 4 thread systems well before 8 thread ones got in trouble.
 
Brackle said:
Anyone know if reviews are tomorrow? Or the day of launch?
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It was leaked a while ago that the review embargo has a Nov 6'th date, with launch on the 7'th.
But I don't believe AMD said anything official.
 
Lot of those leaker numbers look quite good and an interesting not used to see tests.

chameleoneel said:
Needs to be compared to 7800X3D. We already knew it would be better than the 9700X. And these numbers are similar to the performance difference between a 7800X3D and a 9700X.
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Sure for game, but the non-game vs 9700x are interesting as well.
 
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