AMD Ryzen 6 Core and 4 Core Benchmark Leaks Rumor

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  1. Iching

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    Intel is no different than any other company. They all are pushing boundaries of what is borderline criminal. Because there are only AMD and INTEL offerings on the market it's more visible than in any other sector.
     
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    This isn't much of an issue anymore with the wide adoption of ARM processors.
     
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    None of that excuses Intel's actions nor does it allow for any white washing of their illegal actions though. Hell even if you're a Intel stock holder it doesn't make sense to do so.
     
  4. Tyns

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    My 6900k @ 4.3 GHz benches at 2131 (+12.9%) single threaded, 17750 w/ 16 threads (+41.5%), 16082 w/ 12 threads (+28.2%)
     
  5. VIC-20

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    When Athlon 64 X2 started to eat Intel's lunch, Intel started a price war by selling Pentium D at bargain basement prices. Even though Pentium D was much slower, it forced AMD to drop X2 prices and AMD lost a ton of potential revenue. I'm betting Intel will do something similar when Ryzen comes out. Should be an interesting year in CPUs price wise.
     
  6. vegeta535

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    It is a little different tho. Intel has the surpior product this time. That will make it interesting year in CPU world. I wanna see what Intel does and AMD's responce.
     
  7. dgingeri

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    I don't know if they really have the superior product yet. Things are showing very nicely for Ryzen right now, at really good prices. We'll get to see for certain soo enough.
     
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    I'm really tempted to stay with AMD for another generation, but I dunno ...
     
  10. Cali3350

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    Do they? For gamers I agree they do, for Video Editors? I think most would consider the 16 thread 350 chip as the superior product. For servers a 22 core Xeon is the best product, so if we are talking with no regards to price, I agree Intel has the better products. Though then again AMD is supposedly launching a 32 core / 64 thread server chip. If across all spectrums AMD will be offering more cores, thats potentially enough to make them have the better product. For the first time in years, I think the statement "Intel has the superior product" may be able to be questioned (lets wait till the NDA though).
     
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    if anything they know the intel name because theyve seen more ads. intel does way more marketing. what it really comes down to is that the average comsumer knows shit other than "how fast is it", "how many gigarams", "how much hard drives" it has and what free shit it comes with. that's it. 80% are so uninformed they don't know the difference between intel, nv and amd they only see numbers and free shit.

    yup! then you get to the slightly better informed and all they know is intel/nv. BUT
    the truly informed, the ones that know the pc world, know that there is good on both sides based on the usage scenarios.

    last time I was at best buy the selection for towers was basically 50/50 but the laptops selection actually had way more amd systems and almost every person there was oohing and ahhing over amd systems. "wow this ones just as fast but waaaay cheaper" they only see the numbers; speed, space and price!
     
  12. legcramp

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    This is the R5 1500 65w TDP version.... holy smokes.

    ZD3301BBM6IF4_37

    BB in the name means 65w = no XFR.


    Edit: R5 1600? lol
     
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  13. pgaster

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    I hope you are right, but I'm not sure. The leaks show the R5 1500 at 3.2 base and 3.5 Turbo. 3.3 and 3.7 are the 1600X in leaks, but I see what you are saying with the BB in the part number.
    Maybe that's an ES cpu and they turned down the clocks by 100Mhz for stability for retail production.

    https://videocardz.com/65892/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-1700x-and-ryzen-5-1600x-will-require-special-coolers

    https://www.techpowerup.com/230609/amd-ryzen-xfr-frequencies-revealed

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyl...ate-prices-and-new-motherboards/#70e855f131b0

    http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-processor-am4-ln2-cooling/
     
  14. BB Gun

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    LOL, Guess its time to upgrade....

    6 year old socket 1156 i7 2.8:
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    There's a reason I haven't run benchmarks in a long, long while..... :D

    Looking forward to some real price pressure.

    BB
     
  15. BloodyIron

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    Have any of you actually looked at the extent of the Intel ME (Management Engine)? Yeah, this is a big reason I'm very seriously considering moving to Ryzen. I'm not okay with silicon-level backdoors in my computer. Why should you be?
     
  16. DPI

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    What "good prices" are you referring to? AMD's suggested prices? Gougers won't let that happen for a good while, just like when Fury came out and it couldn't beat Nvidia but there were enough fanboys paying inflated prices for inferior performance.
     
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    I'll take my chances with alleged silicon-level backdoors with Intel on Windows 7 or 8.1 than not even having a front door with Ryzen on Windows 10.
     
  18. BloodyIron

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    I think that might be the stupidest thing I've seen someone post in this forum. Windows 7 and 8.1 is SOFTWARE not HARDWARE. Intel ME is so deep ingrained that if you have sufficient access to it you literally have total control over the BIOS, power state, what's being displayed, etc, all without the user even knowing what's going on. You can't even turn it off, ever. Read this : https://libreboot.org/faq/#intelme

    I have contact with security experts that have been studying Intel ME and were squelched by Intel legally so they don't release their findings. It's a big fucking deal.

    Seriously, from what you just wrote, it sounds like you have no fucking clue what you're talking about.


     
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  19. pendragon1

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    lol you'd rather take it the back door than the front :)
     
  20. dgingeri

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    The vulnerability of the Intel ME is rooted in using certain Intel 1Gb ethernet adapters, the ones that use the integrated networking MAC like the 82574, 82579, i217, i218, and i219. Others are not vulnerable to it because of lack of access to sidebanding. Other brands aren't even capable of this vulnerability. It's not so vulnerable as some people think.

    Here's something to consider in this side discussion: http://ark.intel.com/products/64404/Intel-Ethernet-Controller-I211-AT

    According to the specs, the i211 does not have sideband interface access, so therefore, any system that uses just the i211 cannot have access to the Intel ME.

    The only interface for the Intel ME is through a sideband connection to the NIC. If the sideband interface isn't connected, such as with most consumer level systems, or if the network chip does not have access to the sideband connection, like ALL of Marvell's NIC chips and most of the 10Gb NICs available, then it doesn't have access to the Intel ME. Since this is a chipset specific connection, with no link at all to PCI or PCIe, ALL add on NICs would be incapable of making that connection and therefore incapable of leaving a system open to an attack on the Intel ME.

    If you're really so concerned about the Intel ME as a vulnerability, get an addon NIC. (I run a Qlogic QLE3242 10Gb NIC, for example.) That completely takes the Intel ME out of consideration.
     
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  21. Tyns

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    What about their 10GbE adapters?
     
  22. LodeRunner

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    And if you read further down that page filled with scary bolded text, you find AMD has the same thing: the Platform Security Processor (PSP).
     
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  23. BloodyIron

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    My contact is actually uncertain of the prevalence of their security engine. There may be some systems without it, but Intel ME is in EVERY motherboard, it is not optional whatsoever. There is a possibility Ryzen might not be a solution to this, but we won't know till it hits.

     
  24. BloodyIron

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    I'm afraid I don't have any info on that element, sorry. Probably impacted too, since why would Intel change their tune?

     
  25. BloodyIron

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    The NICs is just one part of it, but not required for the Intel ME. Every intel CPU/chipset motherboard, whether it has an Intel NIC or not, has Intel ME with a bare minimum level of silicon on it. There's no oversight to this either. There are also scenarios where attempts to disable parts of Intel ME result in the computer physically turning itself off after 30 minutes. I don't recall the details of that scenario, but it's repeatable.

     
  26. nutzo

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    The 7700K is currently $299 at microcenter - that's $30 less than I paid last month :( + another $30 off a motherboard with a bundle.
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  27. dgingeri

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    The x540 and x520 do not, but the x550 does.

    To tell which are possible to have this, check the specs through Intel's ARK and look for the term "sideband". That will be the possibility that it could be possible. If it is an addon card, it can't in any case. If it is on the motherboard, the motherboard maker MUST physically connect the LOM chip to the chipset sideband interface, which not all do.

    The biggest indicator that something IS vulnerable is if it is listed as having Intel Vpro. Vpro is by definition, the end use for the Intel ME.
     
  28. dgingeri

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    It is there in every chipset, yes, but it is not always hooked up to the network, and it cannot be accessed from the OS. It is a management tool. It can read the OS, the memory, and the state of the machine, but it cannot be accessed or controlled from the OS. The only way it can be accessed is through the network sideband interface.
     
  29. dgingeri

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    If you really want to get into vulnerabilities, there is one BIG vulnerability that is in every single processor out today, and can run a monitoring, password stealing, spying program, completely invisible from the OS, and completely controllable from the OS or through any network or internet connection: virtualization.

    With virtualization technology, a hacker or the NSA could put an invisible VM on your machine and monitor everything you do and have it report back everything through nearly invisible network traffic. (The only way you'd tell is if you have constant packet sniffing hooked to your network.) The only sign something like that is running would be a small amount of memory the OS can't address.

    Of course, this takes several orders of magnitude more sophistication in programming to make happen, and usually requires some direct access to the system in question. The NSA could certainly do it, but I doubt they'd go through the trouble just to steal someone's banking password.
     
  30. collegeboy69us

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    I totally understand your feeling, I was on a 2500K @ 4.5Ghz and didn't upgrade for years... I didn't even *really* need to get my 6600k, I was mostly just bored and wanted to build a new system. I agree and understand the clock differences, at the end of the day the only thing that would have me even 1/2 interested in an AMD cpu is if it overclocks like crazy for an equal to lesser price than intel.
     
  31. Peter2k

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    You can't think in such terms

    be happy with the performance you got
    cuz it's great


    I'm happy with my 7600k @5.2 for now
    rather put the saved money into a bigger M2 drive


    if anything I'm looking forward to coffee lake and it's 6 core i7 on 1151 in a year (hey maybe Intel really, actually, for real keeps the same socket/chipset support since its the same architecture)

    and of course how high Ryzen can clock (binned 6 core and 8 core Intel parts top out for me at 4.4 here in Germany)
     
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    For me , when I build a gaming rig for myself , where I'm putting in a 1TB M2 drive , secondary sata SSD , Titan XP , 300 ish Asus Maximus Code Mb etc etc , the even thought of saving 30-50 on a CPU thats "almost" as fast just isn't even a factor.

    I always buy the fastest single video card and CPU at the time for my gaming rig , and would love to have prices come down and more competition , but for many years the fastest gaming CPU has been intel , and the fastest gaming card had been Nvidia , and I currently see nothing that is about to change either of those.

    So the current hope for AMD is to be a "better" 2nd place in performance ? Just seems like a low bar.
     
  33. lenardo2

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    for me, i have a budget.

    this year it is my son's computer that NEEDS to be rebuilt
    needs a new CPU MoBo Ram and video card

    i've gone amd for my past several builds due to price...sure not getting the biggest bang for the buck, but i roll the cpu savings into the video card, so even with an amd cpu, i'm running at high settings on the main game i play (WoW) and my youngest plays overwatch, and LoL etc at pretty much 60fps on a 24" ultra wide screen...(video card was 400 dollars)

    with ryzen Looking decent and having ...rumored, decent pricing, i might just gut MY machine- toss the mobo ram and cpu from my machine in his case (antec p180 case) and give him a new video card, while i get the ryzen ram and mobo... for about 700.

    90 mobo- ~300 cpu, ~100 ram (16gig) leaving ~200 for a good midrange gpu...
     
  34. dgingeri

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    Actually, it is a different situation than you think. It is a matter of "I have this much, what can I get?" So, if someone has a budget of $1000 for a motherboard, CPU, and memory, the Ryzen 1800X would be great for him/her, because going with an Intel CPU, he/she would be confined to a 6 core processor. He/she would also have extra money to get 32GB of memory or a 1TB SSD instead of 500GB in the process of getting the faster processor. Also, if someone has a $400 budget for CPU, MB, and RAM, they can get a Ryzen 1200X and 16GB of memory instead of a Core i3 7350k with 8GB of memory.

    You're thinking of a basically unlimited budget, but most people don't have that. Most people have a budget they're confined to, and the Ryzen is looking like a far superior product for the price, at nearly every price point.
     
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    Waiting until the reviews, i don't trust benchmarks that can be completely loaded into the cpu's cache. I'd love for AMD to be competitive again just so Intel can stop being so lazy about their innovation. Because i'm pretty sure with how much intel spends into R&D they can do better cpus but choose not to because bottom line doesn't hurt them atm.
     
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    Again , basically , AMD has ceded ever having the fastest CPU or Video card is what you are saying.

    I stand by someone in the market for building a 4K gaming rig and looking at 1080ti's or Titans isn't worried about the difference between 250 or 300 dollars for a CPU.

    Again , I'm just asking if AMD has officially abandoned being the fastest. If so it's something that rationally or not , hurts them long term marketing and sales wise if it's just a known that if you truly want the fastest don't go with them.

    I was just hoping for competition at the top end , there once was that , but it seems that is gone for the foreseeable future.
     
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    Intel's year old 8 core is better then upcoming AMD's 8 core. Intel could easily drop the price on it to match if they want. Like I said earlier its depends how Intel wants to compete. They could crush all Ryzen hype very easy. If AMD can make a 32/64 core server chip you damn well know Intel could also. Intel supposedly has the most advanced chip fab out there.
     
  38. dgingeri

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    We haven't seen the Zen server offerings yet. They could have a 48 core/ 4 socket CPU waiting in the wings to claim the "fastest" mark.

    Your comment also has a lot of open interpretation to it. "Fastest" could be fastest for the money at certain price points, which it looks like they have. "Fastest" could be the fastest gaming CPU, which the 1800X might be in certain games. We don't know yet, but we will soon. Don't count them out just yet.
     
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    And Intel could have a 60 core 8 socket cpu waiting in the wings. No one really knows what Intel has waiting. That's why I think the next year will be very interesting. In the end I don't care cause I am happy with my 4770k and don't see a reason upgrade in the next few years.
     
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  40. Snowdog

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    I don't think we will see much acknowledgement from Intel at all. Outside of being directly questioned in an interview, where they will give politician/lawyer type answers completely void of content.

    I also expect Intel to do just about nothing on the price front.

    The reality is that AMD faces significant market inertia. A market flooded with cheap Pentium boxes, where the consumer knows nothing but has been taught for ages that Intel is best. So it will be hard to take off.

    On the enthusiast side, we have already numerous replies in these forums, from gamers who are sticking with Intel because just tiny lead in IPC, and more overclock potential.

    So where does that leave AMD? The enthusiast looking for a good deal on loads greater than 4 cores, while also not worried about potentially a tiny bit in less threaded applications/games?

    How big is that market?

    Intel is only going to respond after AMD starts taking significant market share, and that is only going to happen, if/when AMD gets better backing from the enthusiast crowd than I am seeing so far. Having enthusiasts on board will help more with the mass market buyers, making them more comfortable to choose AMD.
     
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