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AMD Ryzen 10000 series - general discussion

Will you switch platform if support for Zen 6 doesn't realize on existing AM5 chipsets?

  • This ultimately doesn't affect my purchasing decision.

    Votes: 19 90.5%

  • I'd be inclined to switch platform (to Intel or also to another PC platform like Mac).

    Votes: 2 9.5%
  • Total voters
    21
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Hi! This thread is for rumours, speculation and of course for actual facts regarding the next generation of AM5 processors, which is currently called Medusa Ridge architecturally, or in simpler terms Zen 6, while supposedly product named as the 10000 series. All thoughts and views are welcome, please post any interesting links.

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The attached poll is to survey how much compatibility of the upcoming generation matters for those who have a 600-series motherboard, though this applies to 800-series owners too. I'd like to remind, that 300-series mobos didn't get their bioses too soon to support the 5000 series once it launched, though in this context it should be reminded that offering support is also down to the mobo makers. Also, partial support, so not all-encompassing, is possible too, like some boost algorithm or whatever feature that might matter not being available on an older chipset - this is just a reminder too - but the poll doesn't take this into account so we'll assume that the support would be more or less perfect.
 
With how similar the 800 series is to the 600 series, if the 800 series get bios update the 600 should get them fast enough.,

I wonder how one can have any opinion about a platform change if Zen6 is on a new chipset without the Mac-Intel and the new Zen6/AM6 platform of that time all being unknown
 
LukeTbk said:
With how similar the 800 series is to the 600 series, if the 800 series get bios update the 600 should get them fast enough.,

I wonder how one can have any opinion about a platform change if Zen6 is on a new chipset without the Mac-Intel and the new Zen6/AM6 platform of that time all being unknown
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Indeed, that's why the responses are formed as they are. If Intel offers something uber uncompetitive, then it's up to price or one's principle if he wishes to support them anyway, in the case AMD didn't deliver their promises (at all or completely). Naturally if the difference in quality/performance is too great, nobody would likely consider the Intel option, but realistically no company would release a product into the market which is worthless, so in reality, there likely will be competition as usual, but the Intel option might not be as good as the AMD one: in this situation one might choose the former brand due to untrustworthiness of the other - principle is a factor in buying decisions, even if some customers wouldn't have any of their own, which is perhaps often wise, at least regarding PC components. If both platforms, Intel and AMD, are quite equal in the next generation, no slight victories would sway me back to AMD if indeed I'd had to buy a new mobo for their new generation. To me such logic doesn't seem too erratic at all and I'm interested how others think here, but I'd assume there are those kind of enthusiasts quite many here who buy simply what's the best. How do you LukeTbk would act, depending of course on what platform you are now?
 
Platform upgrade reaction to me is 100% dependant on what forced it, if AM5 bring DDR5 to the platform I have no issue with it and so on, the general soft promise from AMD is more no artificial socket push than an number of CPU gen on one and Intel has yet to beat AMD at it regardless of this 10,000 series.

And what does the 10,000 / new platfrom (is there is one) will be needed to know, same for what intel offer, to take an decision, if the upgrade mean a new motherboard I will start with zero opinion/sway either way, all depends on what the moment of the upgrade they offer for the price.
 
Not sure what you're asking, if existing AM5 motherboards don't work with Zen 6 and the new chipsets are also AM5? I don't think AMD would do that, and the answer would be no. If it's a new socket (AM6) with DDR 6 then maybe.
 
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Not sure what you're asking, if existing AM5 motherboards don't work with Zen 6 and the new chipsets are also AM5? I don't think AMD would do that, and the answer would be no. If it's a new socket (AM6) with DDR 6 then maybe.
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If you refer to CPU simply fitting a socket physically, this doesn't paricularly mean that the CPU will work with it. AM5 will likely stay, this can be expected, but will there be BIOS support for the new models for the 600-series motherboards is the question. Since the longer than Intel support is a pretty highlighted topic in this scene, do you expect no customers at all to not choose AMD over Intel partly for this reason, or is it just a neat bonus that may materialize one day if so happily might happen? I think longevity of the platform is one of the aspects customer ponders on when choosing between the alternatives, and, myself included, some have leaned on this (vague) promise when buying their AM5 CPU. This is a rather simple question really, it's another story if one buys his parts regardless of longevity of the platform, but in this case, complaining about Intel's platforms' shorter longevity is kind of a moot point, and it's another thing if you firmly believe in any case that the support will arrive (this is likely but not given, even last time an outlash was required for such to happen).

Perhaps the better question is, if there ever will be any meaningful CPU upgrades for the owners of 600-series boards, but I'd still bet there will be, since Intel will likely catch up AMD's current offerings already in their next generation, so Ryzen 10000 has to be rather good to be competitive. I wouldn't count Ryzen 9000 as a meaningful upgrade over the 7000 models, unless you go from the very weakest CPU of 7000 to one of the best of 9000, but likely such customers are few since you rarely get the best chips for cheap enough even if used; usually people don't buy the cheapest if they are not budget conscious/constrained.

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If you refer to CPU simply fitting a socket physically, this doesn't paricularly mean that the CPU will work with it. AM5 will likely stay, this can be expected, but will there be BIOS support for the new models for the 600-series motherboards is the question. Since the longer than Intel support is a pretty highlighted topic in this scene, do you expect no customers at all to not choose AMD over Intel partly for this reason, or is it just a neat bonus that may materialize one day if so happily might happen? I think longevity of the platform is one of the aspects customer ponders on when choosing between the alternatives, and myself included some have leaned on the promise when buying their AM5 CPU. This is a rather simple question really, it's another story if one buys his parts regardless of longevity of the platform, but in this case, complaining about Intel's platforms' shorter longevity is kind of a moot point, and it's another thing if you firmly believe in any case that the support will arrive (this is likely but not given, even last time an outlash was required for such to happen).

Perhaps the better question is, if there ever will be any meaningful CPU upgrades for the owners of 600-series boards, but I'd still bet there will be, since Intel will likely catch up AMD's current offerings already in their next generation, so Ryzen 10000 has to be rather good to be competitive. I wouldn't count Ryzen 9000 as a meaningful upgrade over the 7000 models, unless you go from the very weakest CPU of 7000 to one of the best of 9000, but likely such customers are few since you rarely get the best chips for cheap enough even if used; usually people don't buy the cheapest if they are not budget conscious/constrained.
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AM4 had 3 generations of CPUs, unless they're moving to a new socket I don't see any reason why 600 series motherboards wouldn't get support. It makes no sense unless they're changing something major on the chipset, which I highly doubt they are. If they can't get bios support for those boards and nothing has really changed gen on gen, it's a major problem.
 
I feel 800 vs 600 series chipset are so similar that it will not be an issue (they are almost the same no ?, if it work on 800 it has really good chance to work on the 600 like it happened with AM4 all along)

Yes of course if Zen6 do not work on 600 series it could make people shift to a cheaper-better intel platform if it exist, (because keeping their current motherboard would have been cheaper but it is not the case anymore), direct swap make CPU upgrade more tempting
 
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LukeTbk said:
I feel 800 vs 600 series chipset are so similar that it will not ben an issue (they are almost the same no ?)

Yes of course if Zen6 do not work on 600 series it could make people shift to a cheaper-better intel platform, (because keeping their current motherboard would have been cheaper but it is not the case anymore), direct swap make CPU upgrade more tempting
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If Zen 6 isn't on x670, I'll probably never make a build planning on having extended support ever again which would mean intel would be back in the conversation for me absolutely. There's rumors of 12 ccds for Zen 6. If they have a single ccd with 12 cores and 3d-vcache I would love to have that. Not at the expensive of completely swapping my board though, I'd just keep what I have until it's far too out of date.
 
For a 24 core AMD CPU I would buy a new mainboard (and RAM if required).
 
I voted switch platform for the reverse reason. I'm on Intel now, and I'll be more interested in Zen 6 if they dump AM5 and go with a new platform with more PCI-e lanes and hopefully DDR6 support. If Zen 6 is on AM5 it'll likely be the last generation on AM5 since DDR6 is coming, so no longevity benefits. If they reheat X670 again like they did with X870 I'll reject whatever they come up with.
 
The main game that I care about is primarily CPU limited, so I'll almost certainly upgrade right away to whatever the successor to the 9800X3D is as long as it's a drop-in upgrade for my existing X870E motherboard. If it's not a drop-in upgrade, then I'll probably hold off a bit longer since upgrading Motherboard+CPU+RAM(probably) is a lot more expensive than just upgrading the CPU. It would be nice if there was a single-CCD option that had more than 8 cores, but it won't be a deal-breaker if that doesn't happen.

Of course, I'll also keep an eye on what Intel manages to come up with. But given how much the games I play love the 3D cache, I don't realistically see Intel becoming the best option for my use-case scenario unless they come up with something truly amazing.
 
I don't know what I will do but I know it will be stupid af. Just like going from 5800X3D to 7800X3D to 9800X3D and most recently, (still to try) 9950X3D.
 
zandor said:
I voted switch platform for the reverse reason. I'm on Intel now, and I'll be more interested in Zen 6 if they dump AM5 and go with a new platform with more PCI-e lanes and hopefully DDR6 support. If Zen 6 is on AM5 it'll likely be the last generation on AM5 since DDR6 is coming, so no longevity benefits. If they reheat X670 again like they did with X870 I'll reject whatever they come up with.
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A memory controller that supports both DDR5 and DDR6 is always a possibility, as is with Alder Lake and Rocket Lake, which support both DDR4 and DDR5.
 
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As much as I want to build a new rig, I just dont need it on the 9 series, but with the 10 series, I could see it being the time to move on from my 5950x rig....but just spec'n out a 9 series system, looks like I would be around $3k CAD mark (spend prob $2500 CAD 3 years ago for my current rig all in)

Would love to see more USB-C ports and less sharing of PCIe lanes with NVMe and such most x8** boards do now pending on what you have connected...
 
I just upgraded to x870e with the plan of swapping to a zen 6 x3d chip. A $100 7700 is the placeholder until then. If they decide to not bring zen 6 to am5 then I'll just grab a 9950x3d.
 
I went 3900X > 5900X > 9800X3D. If the 10XX0 line stays on AM5, I might upgrade to a new CPU, especially if they release a 12 core 1 ccd part. If they move to a new socket, I won't be heartbroken. Will probably just wait for the subsequent generation to upgrade motherboard/CPU/RAM all at once. I don't have any brand loyalty, so if Intel is the more compelling option by then, I'll buy Intel.

I don't love the 10XX0 naming scheme. Makes me wonder if they'll change it up a bit.
 
AMD has a really nice thing going with it's sockets: AM2 was DDR2, AM3 was DDR3, AM4 was DDR4, and now AM5 is DDR5.

However: AMD is now a big player which means they can make really anti-consumer choices and not be punished for it. So I fully expect them to start swapping out sockets like Intel does. Because: "What are you going to do, buy the inferior competition?"
 
KazeoHin said:
AMD has a really nice thing going with it's sockets: AM2 was DDR2, AM3 was DDR3, AM4 was DDR4, and now AM5 is DDR5.

However: AMD is now a big player which means they can make really anti-consumer choices and not be punished for it. So I fully expect them to start swapping out sockets like Intel does. Because: "What are you going to do, buy the inferior competition?"
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Do they make a lot off chipset licensing? I'm sure they've done the math about how many fewer upgrades they have to sell for a CPU + chipset upgrade to outperform a CPU only upgrade on their revenue sheet. My guess is there's a profit incentive for them to release another generation on the same platform, but maybe more people would do a motherboard + CPU upgrade than I expect.
 
I only upgrade my CPU every 9 years now. Used to be every 9 months 20 years ago. Not to concerned. I didnt go in at the top of AM5 CPUs so I will have some cheap used options later on if I want.
 
I don't really understand the answers. No, I wouldn't buy a new platform for Zen 6, if that's what you're asking.
 
MavericK said:
I don't really understand the answers. No, I wouldn't buy a new platform for Zen 6, if that's what you're asking.
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Agreed. I'm going to ride my 9800X3D for the next 2-3 years unless Zen 6 is a huge upgrade.
 
AMD reaffirmed its commitment to using the same sockets for many years by announcing that AM5 will continue to see new Ryzen processors for another three years, to 2027, and beyond. I fully believe that Zen 6 will be compatible with all existing AM5 motherboards. Maybe even Zen 7 but that is not guaranteed at all. We can look back about how AMD said no Zen 3 support on B350/X370 and the backlash was wild, so they backtracked. This will not happen again.

I'll likely upgrade my 7900X3D to a single CCD X3D part. I want to hold off for a while too since Asrock boards have been killing 9800X3Ds left and right. Don't really plan on switching out this X670E Steel Legend, it suits me well.

And if you want to look at more rumors, obligatory MLID videos:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=970JyCapx8A


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jek6D3fY1X8
 
Dopamin3 The PC Gamer article is a year old. I'm glad you separate that you believe, as do I, that all the existing motherboard models will get the support for Zen 6, but the article only talks about the socket, which may mislead people even on forums as this. Though, are there perhaps so weak mobo models released, that likely would be A620 boards, that cannot run properly the most high end CPUs? For such mobos I can understand if the motherboard maker prevents the most consuming CPUs from working or rather do not list them as supported, but that's another thing altogether. In all factuality we do not have concrete promise on what sort of support we are getting, but what we can concretely derive from the article, is that indeed the socket will receive some sort of new CPU models till 2027, but please note that the wording is vague on purpose, I'd claim - likely they cannot yet say how the upcoming architectures pan out decisively enough, which is natural in a long design process.

Intel doesn't operate like this likely for two primary reasons: For the designing factor of CPUs, it is best not to lock anything down too far into the future to make the platform as good as possible, while this also may make the work of their engineers more comfortable. Secondly, you'll retain better business relations with the mobo makers if you enable them to sell more boards overall.

Yet I spell out the following about the poll: My purpose is to find out how much in fact customers of AMD care if they can slot a new CPU into their existing (AM5) board, or if people are only making a fuss about this fact just because it's appears consumer friendly. Consumer friendliness is certainly good, but we should keep things in proportion so we don't hype this edge of the other CPU maker more than it deserves praise (at this point). As I've said, I'm certainly one of those who care about this possibility and will be truly bummed if it doesn't realize adequately or at all. The poll suggests so far (15 vs 2 votes) that people here do not actually care, so even if AMD decides to bypass the support plans, they can still triumph on further sales if they manage yet to offer a stellar new product line. Of course even I, if desperately needing a new CPU in a moment where AMD offers superior products while the Intel ones are bad both quality and price wise, might too buy AMD again, but I'd be certainly inclined to buy Intel if the situation shores this option.

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GamerNerves It doesn't matter the date of the article, that was a direct statement from AMD. Look at the existing CPU support for A620 boards. Can you find a single one that isn't validated for the 9950X / 9950X3D? I don't think it exists. If it can support that high of a TDP chip (even if not well, and you need airflow, and the VRM runs hot, and no PBO) it will also support Zen 6. Go back to A320 on AM4, I think all boards ended up getting Zen 3 support. Even something like a lowly Asus Prime A320M-K supports 5800X3D, 5950X etc... Blame the motherboard manufacturer for any A320 boards that didn't get support (if they exist) and blame them again if hypothetically some A620 boards don't get support (which again I doubt). You should not be powering the highest end CPU with the lowest end motherboard in the first place- VRM is the most important area and that's where they are all lacking. AMD will provide AGESA to the motherboard manufacturers and the ball is in their court.
 
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