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AMD RX 9000-series livestream

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Going on record saying with Nvidia pissing so many normal gamers off, people who don't even know what a graphics card is are angry at the price of gaming machines, PC gamers are now more than EVER seeing Nvidia as too big, so many public issues with Nvidia's recent launch... AMD will never miss such an amazing opportunity...


... to miss this opportunity
 
KazeoHin said:
Going on record saying with Nvidia pissing so many normal gamers off, people who don't even know what a graphics card is are angry at the price of gaming machines, PC gamers are now more than EVER seeing Nvidia as too big, so many public issues with Nvidia's recent launch... AMD will never miss such an amazing opportunity...


... to miss this opportunity
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AMD finds a way ;).

Edit: This is like the nightly news when all you want is the weather report o_O.
 
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AMD finds a way, they came close... if $50 cheaper, they could have left the market to correct.

However, AMD would not be AMD if they did that.
 
With no reference design, no pressure for AIBs to provide value. Expect ridiculous prices from AIB
 
Not bad... these will sell out....
Hopefully the stock on these has been building up
 
Looks like AMD finally got the message, let's hope they actually have the inventory to satisfy demand.
 
I kinda like the look of this 'Crimson Desert' game - looks like a mature Tears of the Kingdom.

But - yeah, decent reveal, hopefully the reviews are positive (and the pricing stays sane). I'm trying to avoid falling for the hype train, but I'm feeling the pull. I used to love my R9 Nitro (before the Radeon VII turned me off AMD) and my 3080 is starting to get long in the tooth.
 
Large local supplier has confirmed that they started receiving stock before the RTX 50s and has now received 3 shipments. Bodes well that is isn't going to sell out in 60 seconds. I just wish AMD hadn't chickened out of producing a 5080/5090 competitor.
 
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Interest from the presentation that it was stated (claimed ?) that 85% purchase GPU's less than $700...
Is this hinting that 9070 XT is going to be their top model this series..
 
jlbenedict said:
Interest from the presentation that it was stated (claimed ?) that 85% purchase GPU's less than $700...
Is this hinting that 9070 XT is going to be their top model this series..
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? It's been speculated for months now that rdna 4 would have no 80 models. This is the rdna swansong
 
This looks like AMD execs would prefer to go have tiny revenue with decent margins rather than have rising revenue with low margins. It is what it is. The killer - no DLSS4.

7800XT was $100 cheaper than 4070 with extra ram, and AMD market share was halved basically over last year. Whether this launch is good or not depends on FSR4 implementation, and if history has anything to tell us, this will only sell if RTX cards are not in stock.
 
I doubt they will gain that many market shares. It's not a "wow so much better" value. It's like 20% better value, but as always with predictably worse features - though hopefully the gap with nvidia there is much smaller now. We will see.

Still I wouldn't be surprised if nvidia countered them by improving 5070 / 5070 ti supply and just swept the floor again.

Also the biggest chunk of the gaming GPU market isn't in the 500-700 bracket price range that they are targetting here, but even lower, as Steam hardware survey has shown time and again.

Of course cheaper cards are coming but it's not like nvidia will sit and wait either.
 
OnceSetThisCannotChange said:
This looks like AMD execs would prefer to go have tiny revenue with decent margins rather than have rising revenue with low margins. It is what it is. The killer - no DLSS4.

7800XT was $100 cheaper than 4070 with extra ram, and AMD market share was halved basically over last year. Whether this launch is good or not depends on FSR4 implementation, and if history has anything to tell us, this will only sell if RTX cards are not in stock.
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Maybe just for spite.. there will be 5000 series dump around the availability date of the AMD release :ROFLMAO:
 
OnceSetThisCannotChange said:
This looks like AMD execs would prefer to go have tiny revenue with decent margins rather than have rising revenue with low margins. It is what it is. The killer - no DLSS4.

7800XT was $100 cheaper than 4070 with extra ram, and AMD market share was halved basically over last year. Whether this launch is good or not depends on FSR4 implementation, and if history has anything to tell us, this will only sell if RTX cards are not in stock.
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As much as I am a supporter of good upscaling, IMHO the goal is still to have a good enough GPU where no upscaling is needed if possible. In modern games DLSS offers an image quality improvement but that is because TAA at default values is just pure, greasy dogshit that gets smeared across your screen and most game developers just leave it at that. DLSS gets rid of it (so does FSR) and replaces with a better AA of its own. But if a game developer actually puts some thought behind the AA implementation then native is always king in my book.
 
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$600 is right in that AMD sweet spot, just cheap enough to make it interesting, just expensive enough to make sure most people go with Nvidia.

It'll be an incredible value when it's discounted next year after everyone has their 5700 and 5700Ti cards at MSRP and nobody is shopping.
 
Twisted Kidney said:
$600 is right in that AMD sweet spot, just cheap enough to make it interesting, just expensive enough to make sure most people go with Nvidia.

It'll be an incredible value when it's discounted next year after everyone has their 5700 and 5700Ti cards at MSRP and nobody is shopping.
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If reviews show that performance matches what the presentation says, equal to 5070ti for 20% below MSRP, how is that not a win?

This is peak confirmation of "I want AMD to do well, so I can buy Nvidia cheaper"
 
TurboGLH said:
If reviews show that performance matches what the presentation says, equal to 5070ti for 20% below MSRP, how is that not a win?

This is peak confirmation of "I want AMD to do well, so I can buy Nvidia cheaper"
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Always the way, if amd were giving these things away some people would still have something to complain about.
 
TurboGLH said:
If reviews show that performance matches what the presentation says, equal to 5070ti for 20% below MSRP, how is that not a win?

This is peak confirmation of "I want AMD to do well, so I can buy Nvidia cheaper"
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Pretty much, I want AMD to do well so it makes video cards cheaper.

It's fine if you think that people not buying AMD makes them AMD's mortal foe, but I don't get myself lost in hating or loving corporations.

AMD's benchmarks are going to be very kind to their hardware, companies talk up their products often to the point of lying, even if you love them with all your blessed little heart. Do you remember the layers of BS caked on the 50 series launch? The cards kind of suck for the money. I hope these deliver, I'm switching to Linux sometime this year and unless things have changed Nvidia is not a great experience on Linux plus my 3080 is feeling.. old.. Fortunately I don't give a rats frozen arse about ray tracing so it's highly unlikely Nvidia has any advantage to offer me.

And yes, I want AMD to do well so it makes Nvidia cheaper, but I'm not emotionally invested in this. I don't want one of them to win, that would be bad, it's currently bad and can easily get worse. I just want them beating one another up. Though even if they're at each-other's throats there are other factors in pricing, TSMC being one of the biggest factors (speaking of lack of competition). Also the fact that neither company is making much money off of gaming at all compared to the data centre.

It feels like we're getting scraps.

From both companies.
 
I hope AMD has success so Nvidia drops their prices to where AMD then drops their prices and then I get a AMD card that I really want so I don't have to buy and extra fire extinguisher.
 
Twisted Kidney said:
Pretty much, I want AMD to do well so it makes video cards cheaper.

It's fine if you think that people not buying AMD makes them AMD's mortal foe, but I don't get myself lost in hating or loving corporations.

AMD's benchmarks are going to be very kind to their hardware, companies talk up their products often to the point of lying, even if you love them with all your blessed little heart. Do you remember the layers of BS caked on the 50 series launch? The cards kind of suck for the money. I hope these deliver, I'm switching to Linux sometime this year and unless things have changed Nvidia is not a great experience on Linux plus my 3080 is feeling.. old.. Fortunately I don't give a rats frozen arse about ray tracing so it's highly unlikely Nvidia has any advantage to offer me.

And yes, I want AMD to do well so it makes Nvidia cheaper, but I'm not emotionally invested in this. I don't want one of them to win, that would be bad, it's currently bad and can easily get worse. I just want them beating one another up. Though even if they're at each-other's throats there are other factors in pricing, TSMC being one of the biggest factors (speaking of lack of competition). Also the fact that neither company is making much money off of gaming at all compared to the data centre.

It feels like we're getting scraps.

From both companies.
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Yeah same, I want AMD to make things move even if I'm just going to be buying nvidia for the foreseeable future.

I target the top tier of cards (which is x90 now though I'm skipping 5090), which AMD has not competed with in forever, and I make full use of the features nvidia excels at, in many of the games I play.

AMD won't magically close that gap but more and cheaper cards for everyone is the end goal. They are both companies that love to screw their customers and ultimately seek profit and do plenty of devious things, there is really no difference. I buy the products that tick my boxes, and ideally everyone should be able to do the same, at competitive prices.
 
TurboGLH said:
If reviews show that performance matches what the presentation says, equal to 5070ti for 20% below MSRP, how is that not a win?

This is peak confirmation of "I want AMD to do well, so I can buy Nvidia cheaper"
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Zarathustra was questioning this a couple days ago and here it is on display :ROFLMAO:.
 
Twisted Kidney said:
Pretty much, I want AMD to do well so it makes video cards cheaper.

It's fine if you think that people not buying AMD makes them AMD's mortal foe, but I don't get myself lost in hating or loving corporations.

AMD's benchmarks are going to be very kind to their hardware, companies talk up their products often to the point of lying, even if you love them with all your blessed little heart. Do you remember the layers of BS caked on the 50 series launch? The cards kind of suck for the money. I hope these deliver, I'm switching to Linux sometime this year and unless things have changed Nvidia is not a great experience on Linux plus my 3080 is feeling.. old.. Fortunately I don't give a rats frozen arse about ray tracing so it's highly unlikely Nvidia has any advantage to offer me.

And yes, I want AMD to do well so it makes Nvidia cheaper, but I'm not emotionally invested in this. I don't want one of them to win, that would be bad, it's currently bad and can easily get worse. I just want them beating one another up. Though even if they're at each-other's throats there are other factors in pricing, TSMC being one of the biggest factors (speaking of lack of competition). Also the fact that neither company is making much money off of gaming at all compared to the data centre.

It feels like we're getting scraps.

From both companies.
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kalston said:
Yeah same, I want AMD to make things move even if I'm just going to be buying nvidia for the foreseeable future.

I target the top tier of cards (which is x90 now though I'm skipping 5090), which AMD has not competed with in forever, and I make full use of the features nvidia excels at, in many of the games I play.

AMD won't magically close that gap but more and cheaper cards for everyone is the end goal. They are both companies that love to screw their customers and ultimately seek profit and do plenty of devious things, there is really no difference. I buy the products that tick my boxes, and ideally everyone should be able to do the same, at competitive prices.
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We should all get used to these prices then.

Both companies are in it for the money. Both companies are selling every scrap of silicon they can get through TSMC, and for AMD the best return by far is on Epyc.

It's not about emotion, it's just practical. If buyers aren't going to buy, even when (*if, we're discussing based on available data) you offer a performance comparable product, for *20% less money, why would you price cards any lower?

I also want competition, fighting in the trenches, bare knuckle kind of fighting. But I'll also buy a card from either company.

Straight up saying:

"Yeah same, I want AMD to make things move even if I'm just going to be buying nvidia for the foreseeable future"

Tells AMD that they shouldn't bother trying to fight on price, just extract maximum $$ and move on.
 
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