AMD Releases more Carrizo Details: AMD's ISSCC 2015 Presentation

Discussion in 'AMD Processors' started by cageymaru, Feb 23, 2015.

  1. Pieter3dnow

    Pieter3dnow [H]ardness Supreme

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    And this is what is not working all of those markets AMD can't make money on because Intel buys design wins. funnelling money into the OEM or just free hardware tablet cpu (buy 1 get 1 free).

    The outlook can change for AMD if they can get their ducks in a row. This will take longer then 2016 new cpu(or apu) launch and it won't happen over night

    It is simply not possible to do what AMD always did , the last few years however are something that shows that they don't want to ship "new" products where they will not make money on,. AMD can't buy their own space on the market and does not have enough cash to start doing things in such a radical way where they will be able to sell a lot more cpu/apu.

    So pushing products in certain areas will not have a priority. But I'm not blaming AMD for this AMD is trying to find as many markets where the playing field is not totally in AMD disadvantage. Which means sadly that when AMD can make money somewhere else they will have to focus on that part. And even if FM2+ is something that makes money for AMD it is not what I'm looking for.
     
  2. daglesj

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    That's an even bleaker outlook than mine.:(
     
  3. durquavian

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    Start with AMD and their purchase of ARM which will then allow not just the possibility of server chips but also the ability to do with ARM what they did with x86, make custom chips, a lot like the consoles mister negative Nancy. And how about Zen and the minds that AMD has re-acquired for this special task. AMD has more than proven they can think outside of the box. Not every attempt will yield results that are extraordinary, but it is far better than sitting back and doing nothing.

    And unlike you I am quite pleased with the expected results that Carrizo brings albeit only to laptops and tablets. And unlike you I am well informed and intelligent enough to understand that the existence or lack thereof proves little of performance and also where to lay the blame when its attendance is lacking. OEMs make the choices and most of the time performance has quite little to do with it. So maybe it is time to separate the issues and stop masking your disdain with vague references and side skirting issues. You don't like the lack of AMD choices in laptops: blame the OEMs. We have seen enough of the performance of Kaveri to know it has a place, and now Carrizo helps improve on some of the pieces we want to be just a bit better. I am sure there will be a few Laptops again but if it is lacking it isn't AMD to blame at least not completely. The brunt of that blame is OEMs and Intel flooding the market and treading the razor-edge of impropriety with Contra-Revenue. Trust me, the state of affairs has a lot of persons/entities to blame and AMD is far down that list.

    That being said, the future does look to improve and AMD does seem to be showing a more tight running ship as far as restraint and sticking to their guns. Small form factor competition is tightening up even if desktop is not, at this moment. What AMD is doing with 28nm against Intels 22nm and 14nm is astounding. JUST ADMIT IT.
     
  4. KazeoHin

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    Huge AMD fan here, but AMD's current mobile competitiveness is more of a lack of effort from Intel than genius on AMDs part. Lack of competition creates a lack of innovation.
     
  5. maarten12100

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    What about Beema though it has half the tray price and is better than Haswell i3 in pretty much everything except single threaded perf.
    I think Carrizo will wreck Core M(eh) even at idle consumption. Intel's 14nm node was talked up big time when the time came however they seem to have just released it to please investors. Not ready and the chips requires very high voltages to attain desired clocks.

    Something that somewhat started with Llano which was clearly superior in efficiency but it didn't win enough for how good it was. Too bad.
    This is the exact reason why AMD will standardize their notebook offerings to fit the same package.

    Also those 15W Intel chips have load numbers in the 20-40W range.(14nm products in particular) (strange coincidence or conspiracy some will say variable tdp but having a laptop that drains that hard is a bad idea no amount of fanboy talk can redeem it)
    http://www.notebookcheck.net/HP-ProBook-430-G2-Notebook-Review.137859.0.html
    http://www.notebookcheck.net/HP-ProBook-450-G2-Notebook-Review.137513.0.html
    http://www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-XPS-13-9343-Touchscreen-Ultrabook-Review.135817.0.html
    http://www.notebookcheck.net/Acer-TravelMate-P236-M-Notebook-Review.137470.0.html

    Beema is pretty good it beats the i3 hands down but AMD needs an even better product and I hope Carrizo will deliver. Especially lower idle power is what is needed going from Kaveri. They need to get down in that 3W platform range.
     
  6. daglesj

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    So what I read there was "blah blah not AMD's fault blah blah performance!"

    Interesting.
     
  7. durquavian

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    So you concede based on ignorance and an obvious lack of knowledge. Well glad we could clear that up.

    Seriously though, you should spend less time being negative and accept certain facts as they are not skewed to meet you slanted view. Like this whole discussion isn't really anyone's fault just a circumstance of being and effects. It isn't as simple as you try to make it sound. Business decisions aren't made the way you seem to make it.

    Carrizo can be a huge win. So how does AMD get some wins for us to purchase? Maybe they have to front some funds like Intel. Maybe they don't care till Zen and wont push the issue, so we can continue with this discussion on for another year or more.

    But none of the past or current offerings take away from the performance of Carrizo and the desire of some to have a laptop with it.
     
  8. durquavian

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    WORST rationale ever. AMD is already on Intel heels and with Carrizo stands a chance to beat them. THIS ISNT DESKTOP! Felt the need to state that, so many posters seem to lump all processors into their arguments when it is not the case. AMD in the low power market has stiff competition for Intel and is far from being blown out of proportion like other segments.
     
  9. daglesj

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    I don't quite think you're seeing my point and getting a little stressed about it.

    I like AMD.

    I like AMD products. (I'd like to buy more but they either don't exist or offer the value I want)

    I would like to see AMD succeed.

    I and others just feel that unless AMD make some major changes to some of their strategies, the current situation we've had for the past 7 years isn't going to change for the better.

    I'm sure there is plenty of work going on at AMD right now that's fantastic but we just don't expect that to come through in any great quantity or quality due to the current pit AMD are in. How can the current situation we have as AMD consumers be changed?

    I would love to see AMD surprise us all and come up trumps over the next 12-18 months but can it wait that long? Something drastic needs to happen.

    I'm not talking in some long dead language am I? Can I make this any clearer?
     
  10. fixedmy7970

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    yes, we all understand that you think very highly of yourself and that you think you understand the market better than AMD's marketing team and CEO.
     
  11. daglesj

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    Okay well I wish you all the best of luck with this one.

    Enjoy.
     
  12. Pieter3dnow

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    Maybe to many people underestimate what is going on. Sometimes people have this 1 dimensional view and ask for simple solution. Not enough AMD products to choose from make more products....
     
  13. Lunas

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    there is plenty of products but there is none on the shelf there should be a8 and a10 apu based desktops at stores that carry desktops from what i saw nope celeron and i3s have pushed any remaining amd based e1 or a series off the shelves at my local walmart they had 2 amd based laptops in a end cap on clearance they were an a4 based and an a6 based laptop both by hp. A year ago i was able to see 4-5 amd laptops a4 6 and 8 and there was an all in one now they are gone replaced with all intel.

    they need to cut them some shelves and hook some manufactures...
     
  14. fixedmy7970

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    Actually Mediatek is licensing amds radeon cores, and thats a huge market
     
  15. durquavian

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    I really want to see Carrizo laptop performance. Especially the now integrated south bridge and what total laptop power use changed with it.
     
  16. 1/2 bent

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    lol I think a lot of people think they know whats best for a company on these forums and how they could run it and make it profit.. When really they don't know whats going on and you hit the nail on the head on this post. Just let them spew their shit.
     
  17. Pieter3dnow

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    Not just that but how about a tablet we have seen some prototypes that had predecessors in it. Since this is less power it should work nicely at least for windows.

    Think "most" of "us" would buy something that has pretty decent specs even if it was at a slightly higher price then competing products.
     
  18. durquavian

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    Seen a lot of interest from others for one, especially the discovery tablet shown at CES last year.
     
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    Me too - I'd love a head to head with the just released Asus FX-7600p based laptops (N551zu and X550ze) that have yet to make it to the US and the new Carrizo FX even in a beta matchup of performance (cpu/gpu) and battery life. Going almost 3 years now with my HP A10-4600m, still getting around 4 or 5 hours of VS2013/SQL Server work out of it on the original battery. If the Carrizo can deliver even better battery life (which I think everyone would agree in comparison to the flagship 2012 Trinity based APU it should), while still delivering better cpu and gpu performance, it's a win win for me.
     
  20. durquavian

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    They mentioned that since the south bridge is on die the PCI-E lanes would be few. Considering no need for dGPU would that be a huge hinderance say for HDD or SSD?