AMD Radeon RX 6800 and RX 6800 XT Unboxing

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I don't assume that because even AMD didn't show parity if you read between the lines. SAM / resizeable BAR is coming to Ampere too which makes that gain moot.

Raster/$ should end up around parity at MSRP, though Nvidia will have more total raster in the price tier.

VRAM/$ AMD will have more obviously.

Depends what your priorities are. I take 10-20% more raster at the sacrifice of 38% VRAM any day if I have a choice. But at this point I don't and will take 3080 or 6800XT whatever I can buy first.
what's your indication that a 3080 is 20% faster than a 6800XT?
 

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what's your indication that a 3080 is 20% faster than a 6800XT?
I mentioned 10-20%, and speculating based on AMDs slides where they needed OC + SAM against stock Nvidia just to come even in cherrypicked titles. We'll see benches soon enough.
 

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I mentioned 10-20%, and speculating based on AMDs slides where they needed OC + SAM against stock Nvidia just to come even in cherrypicked titles. We'll see benches soon enough.

That's a hell of a swing. 5000 series CPU benches were right in line with what they announced at launch, from what I can tell. You think that they exaggerated by 20-30%? That's what it would take to swing the numbers to 10-20% in Amperes favor. We'll know in a couple days, but that's a strong position to take this close to the finish line.

https://www.amd.com/en/gaming/graphics-gaming-benchmarks
 

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nah, MSRP only, i got a spare 3090 now :(
Well if all you care about is the MSRP then the price won't be affected at all, Nvidia isn't going to drastically cut the cost on the cards to compete with AMD, now they might release "Ti" or "Super" versions that drop the price to the point of why would you want the "regular" version but I wouldn't expect anything too drastic. What will probably change is the demand side of things, but that largely depends upon how much stock Nvidia throws out into the wild, otherwise it may be difficult to sell a card at MSRP to someone when that someone can just buy a brand new one at MSRP anyways.
 

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They'll likely just do more game bundles. They won't touch MSRP, usually, because they don't want to piss people off. However, they'll give folks more free games if needed.
 

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That's a hell of a swing. 5000 series CPU benches were right in line with what they announced at launch, from what I can tell. You think that they exaggerated by 20-30%? That's what it would take to swing the numbers to 10-20% in Amperes favor. We'll know in a couple days, but that's a strong position to take this close to the finish line.

https://www.amd.com/en/gaming/graphics-gaming-benchmarks
No they didn't exaggerate by 20-30%, not sure where you're getting that. And the 5000 series benches didn't have the same variables so I don't think they're relevant, unless its to support the argument that "AMD doesn't exaggerate anymore". Perhaps - it's a positive sign.

We're just sharing opinions here, quite possibly worthless, and I'm simply suggesting the numbers are fudged 10-20% with Rage OC + SAM being enabled, and that the cards will be more even with those toggled. And then whenever Nvidia rolls out SAM for Ampere it'll be another round of benches.

Don't get me wrong, the cards are already so close that I'd buy either one today sight unseen even before benches, if one was available.
 
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Not sure where you're getting 20-30%. And the 5000 series benches didn't have the same variables so I don't think they're relevant, unless its to support the argument that "AMD doesn't exaggerate anymore". Perhaps - it's a decent argument.

We're just sharing opinions here, worthless as they are, and if I had to bet money I'd say the slides at your link are fudged somewhere in the 10-20% range -- once OC + SAM are toggled I suspect they'll be more even. Don't get me wrong, the cards are already so close that I'd buy either one even before realworld benches if it was actually available.

The benches they listed show mostly 10%+ in AMDs direction. To be 10-20% faster it would need a 20-30 swing in Nvidias favor. They only included SAM in those benches too. I know we're only talking back and fourth here, but I just don't see a swing that large. The point on the 5000 series was exactly what you said, I honestly think that AMD right now is under promise / over deliver.

Since we're throwing out our expectations, I expect the benches they listed to be 2-3% slower without SAM and overclocking to be fairly impressive, even on reference cooled cards.
 
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Since we're throwing out our expectations, I expect the benches they listed to be 2-3% slower without SAM and overclocking to be fairly impressive, even on reference cooled cards.
My interest is definitely piqued reading the tech reviewers teasing "this thing can overclock" talking about 6800XT today. OC headroom on Ampere is objectively poor and not the usual 20%+ of the past few gens, and so 6800/XT AIB card overclocks should be very interesting.
 

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Well if all you care about is the MSRP then the price won't be affected at all, Nvidia isn't going to drastically cut the cost on the cards to compete with AMD, now they might release "Ti" or "Super" versions that drop the price to the point of why would you want the "regular" version but I wouldn't expect anything too drastic. What will probably change is the demand side of things, but that largely depends upon how much stock Nvidia throws out into the wild, otherwise it may be difficult to sell a card at MSRP to someone when that someone can just buy a brand new one at MSRP anyways.
what about resale value of the card? that's what i'm concerned with
 

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what about resale value of the card? that's what i'm concerned with

The resale of the 3090's looks like it is decidedly coming down possibly under MSRP for a used card. They can even be found much more often in stock compared to ANY variety of 3080 which is still very high relatively. I don't see AMD helping the situation, nor a potential 3080Ti which should have similar performance for ~$500 less.

If you're worried about resale, sell it now.
 

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The resale of the 3090's looks like it is decidedly coming down possibly under MSRP for a used card. They can even be found much more often in stock compared to ANY variety of 3080 which is still very high relatively. I don't see AMD helping the situation, nor a potential 3080Ti which should have similar performance for ~$500 less.

If you're worried about resale, sell it now.
trying to... in the FS thread, even at MSRP it's falling off a cliff:


L.GrammToday at 1:09 PM​

i have two also


[1:09 PM]
though.. i think the ability to sell them has dropped dramatically in the last week

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Exec:
could be many things
1: I havent kept up, but it could be that anyone willing to buy 3090 at high prices already bought one
2: BigNavi
3: PS5 and XSX are out now
4: more people getting the 3080 they wanted
5: companies like EVGA setting up a wait list so you can add to the queue and then get an email later when it's your turn
no need to f5 forver
 

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Yep. But everything has to be a conspiracy nowadays. The idea that Nvidia or anyone else is "artificially limiting supply" is the most nonsensical one, since there's utterly no reason to when covid-crunch and now holiday crunch are doing the supply-limiting for them, and prices on everything are already unprecedented.
On the flip side, what benefit does anyone have to not have enough product to sell? We seem to go through this every new product release in that the demand is much higher initially than the supply. Especially with AMD now releasing their new cards, you'd think that Nvidia would pump up the production to the nth degree. I still believe this is the new marketing gimmick to get people to fear of missing out (FOMO). Did we forget about Bitcoin booms and bust? The price of GPU's nearly doubled, which AMD and Nvidia didn't stop them, but in fact produced special cards to cater to them. Nvidia was telling investors that the crypto boom will be back. When was the last time you bought a new to market GPU at or bellow MSRP? Never happens.
FWIW I think AMD did release benchmarks - just take their presentation slides and knock off 15% - because that's where real-world, apples-to-apples benches will land. Which will still be incredible cards. And still won't be able to buy one.
Personally I couldn't care for AMD or Nvidia's new cards since Cyberpunk 2077 has a recommended requirement that is basically a potato. I'd also like to see 3rd party benchmarks and not depend on AMD's benchmarks -15%.

how is Intel and/or Nvidia cheaper?
Intel Core i5 10600K = $270
AMD Ryzen 5 5600X = $300

RTX 3070 = $500
RX 6800 = $570

It's cheaper to go with Intel+Nvidia.
and where exactly is Nvidia going to get supply for another model?
Same place where they got a GTX 1070 Ti. Take an existing better product and lock less CUDA cores. Don't be shocked to find a RTX 3070 Ti that is basically a 3080 but with slightly less locked parts and more VRAM.
 

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As for the card, I'm not a fan of that red stripe, they should have made that black or ARGB.
Take that red stripe away and it would have been even more obvious how they tried to rip off the 20 series cooler, but I do agree, it would have looked much better.
Yep. But everything has to be a conspiracy nowadays. The idea that Nvidia or anyone else is "artificially limiting supply" is the most nonsensical one, since there's utterly no reason to when covid-crunch and now holiday crunch are doing the supply-limiting for them, and prices on everything are already unprecedented.

FWIW I think AMD did release benchmarks - just take their presentation slides and knock off 15% - because that's where real-world, apples-to-apples benches will land. Which will still be incredible cards. And still won't be able to buy one.
Remember when people were saying that nvidia had only released a hand full of cards and there wasn't any scalpers? Yeah, that didn't age well, scalpers magically became reality when AMD released their CPUs, and will be just as bad for their GPUs too. The sneaker hypebeast scalpers are now taking over PC DIY. :mad:
 

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Take that red stripe away and it would have been even more obvious how they tried to rip off the 20 series cooler, but I do agree, it would have looked much better.

Remember when people were saying that nvidia had only released a hand full of cards and there wasn't any scalpers? Yeah, that didn't age well, scalpers magically became reality when AMD released their CPUs, and will be just as bad for their GPUs too. The sneaker hypebeast scalpers are now taking over PC DIY. :mad:

I know zero can't see me, so this is even better. But the lack of actual stock + scalpers is where we're at right now. You can see the ordered/sales/shipped data from proshop to know that nvidia isn't shipping shit.

https://www.proshop.de/RTX-30series-overview (chrome adds at th to the end of some numbers when translating from german to english, idk why)
 
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Pro-tip: watch GN videos at 1.25x playback speed. It’s actually much more enjoyable since it feels like normal speed for some reason.
Bob Segers against the wind at 1.10...then go back to 1.00 and realize that it’s too slow. Try it, it’ll change your life.
 

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There is no benefit to AMD releasing benchmarks before they sell.
Specially since youtuber will accept to promote the product without in exchange having the right to review them before launch.

That what happen when reviews shift to need the clicks publications, you can impose all the embargo you want on them, what are they going to do, refuse to do unboxing videos ?
 

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Jayztwocents showed off The AMD branded waterblocks from EK, for Ryzen and RDNA 2. Its pretty nice looking. And the review kit came in a gun case?!

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I mentioned 10-20%, and speculating based on AMDs slides where they needed OC + SAM against stock Nvidia just to come even in cherrypicked titles. We'll see benches soon enough.
Yeah, so you said you think Ampere is 10-20% faster. That means there is some indication to you, that Ampere is 20% faster (in some cases). And I am wondering how/where you are figuring that sort of lead?

AMD themselves said/showed that currently, the benefits from SAM are all over the place. But if we average out what they have shown, we can currently expect gains less than 8%, average. Although the actual numbers vary so wildly, I think in this case, it should actually be looked at game by game.

And I don't think the games they have posted numbers for are cherrypicked. I mean, they show us a couple of games where AMD loses. A couple of games where AMD is more or less the same as Nvidia, and a couple of games where they have a notable lead. Its a healthy spread and at least seems to indicate an attempt in showing us reality and what to expect.

But even if you take AMD's worst shown matchup and then assume the gain from SAM in that matchup is also the same as the largest they have shown with actual numbers (Which is actually from one of their best shown matchups. +13% with SAM and rage mode enabled)--------well then you might maybe be able to sort of squeeze out one claim of about 20% behind Ampere without SAM. But that's not even a real situation. So...


And because Nvidia has now released some statements about possibly enabling something like SAM for their own cards, does not suddenly make AMD's SAM irrelevant. Nvidia's statements were ass covering PR.
AMD's SAM will be usable at launch and the performance gains from it, whatever they may be, will always be relevant. Nvidia's solution is not relevant until they show it working and you can then actually use it in some capacity. And we have no idea what that will actually be like, in reality. But based on how Nvidia is supporting Freesync----I would expect a very slow rollout over the next year or more.
Similarly, AMD's announcement of their Fidelity FX Super Resolution feature, does not make DLSS suddenly moot. And when it finally does become available, it could be great or it could be fine or it could suck. DLSS absolutely sucked for a year before one single game finally came out with DLSS 2.0. And a year after that we have.....maybe 10 games with DLSS 2.0/2.1?
I'm not expecting Nvidia to be quick about their SAM feature. And I honestly have zero idea what to expect from AMD's super resolution feature.

Personally I couldn't care for AMD or Nvidia's new cards since Cyberpunk 2077 has a recommended requirement that is basically a potato. I'd also like to see 3rd party benchmarks and not depend on AMD's benchmarks -15%.


Intel Core i5 10600K = $270
AMD Ryzen 5 5600X = $300

RTX 3070 = $500
RX 6800 = $570

It's cheaper to go with Intel+Nvidia.

Same place where they got a GTX 1070 Ti. Take an existing better product and lock less CUDA cores. Don't be shocked to find a RTX 3070 Ti that is basically a 3080 but with slightly less locked parts and more VRAM.
Again, the most benefit they showed from SAM and Rage mode together, was 13%, in one single game. SAM is not an across the board 15%. Its not even yet been shown to be 15% in one title. So, we shouldn't then expect to be subtracting 15% from all RDNA 2 performance numbers.

A 5600x is strictly better than a 10600k. A 6 core 5600x in rendering and encoding, performs like an 8 core Intel 10 series. And in games, the stock 5600x is as good as and sometimes even better than, a manually overclocked 10600k. The extra cost is literally for extra performance. Its not actually a good matchup for Intel, even considering the lower price of the 10600k. And the fact is, they both have cheaper products which are probably better values. And in that case, Intel probably has a more clear win. The 10600 non-k and 10700 non-k are really good values, if you bother to tweak their turbo behavior. Which can be done on almost any motherboard. But you can punch even lower than that, with 10500 or AMD's Zen 2 3600 and probably still have better performance/$

From what we know so far, the RX 6800 is as fast or faster than a 3070 in raster performance and also has double the VRAM. So again, you are paying more, for seemingly a strictly better product. It is definitely a little bit muddier, in this case. Because we don't yet have 3rd party benches. We don't know the RT performance of the 6800. But it is kind of funny to see someone hold up the lower VRAM as a potential value benefit for Nvidia, after all of the VRAM criticism Ampere has received on this forum. However, I am inclined to agree a bit on that point. As I think once next gen game releases are in full swing, 3070/6800 class GPUs will be clearly identified as 1440p cards and not really able to play at 4K. And 8gigs of VRAM will probably be enough for that.
However, I don't think there is anything stopping a board partner from releasing an 8gig 6800. I am pretty sure I saw a quote on that somewhere. Once supply equals out a bit, I wouldn't be surprised to see it. But for now, the 8 gig 3070 could indeed be a bit of a value win, yep. But...it may not matter if you can't buy them anyway.

Yes, eventually, Nvidia will have a larger spread of products. They love doing that. But I don't see it anytime soon. They have not been able to deliver on 3 products, so far. And all indications point to them barely being able to produce the 3060, as well. I do not see them realistically releasing any in between cards, anytime soon. In fact, the rumored higher VRAM cards were actually confirmed canceled, at this point. I wouldn't expect to see higher VRAM 3070 or 3080 until like February or something. And that's a maybe. And likewise, AMD could also release additional cards. As noted, an 8 gig 6800 is very possible. Or look at whey they did with the 5600xt. The whole thing keeps moving.

Maybe Nvidia will do something short term like they did with the RTX 2060 KO. One board partner, EVGA, offers that product. A special variant 2060 with more cuda cores and a lower street price.
So maybe they will work with EVGA to release one or two higher VRAM SKUs. and if you want the extra VRAM, you have to buy an EVGA product. That seems like a more feasible move, than releasing entirely separate products. Who knows...
 
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Intel Core i5 10600K = $270
AMD Ryzen 5 5600X = $300

RTX 3070 = $500
RX 6800 = $570

It's cheaper to go with Intel+Nvidia.
Lol, cheaper if you buy slower parts... Great comparison, lol. You can go even cheaper if you get an i3 & gtx 1060!!! Man, so cheap. Seriously, you compare a 5600x that is more like a 10700k than a 10600k, then compare the 6800 which is closer to the 3080 than the 3070... And say it's cheaper. You can drop it into a on h410 and save even more $$ (and run even slower). Or you can be serious and say a 5600x + $100 b550 is as cheap as a 10600k+z490 but faster and cheaper than a 10700k while performing very similar. The 6800 is more than a 3070 but faster... It's slower than a 3080 and cheaper. Perf/$ comes out similar between them so it's just buying the performance level you're after. You didn't 'save' money, you bought slower parts ;).
 

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Jayztwocents showed off The AMD branded waterblocks from EK, for Ryzen and RDNA 2. Its pretty nice looking. And the review kit came in a gun case?!

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Idk I like being able to see the liquid flowing through the block.
 

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what about resale value of the card? that's what i'm concerned with
You should never be concerned about resell value of computer hardware. Prices can tank rather quickly. You seen what the 3070 did to 2080ti when announced. We were still over a month away from 3070 and so many people tried too off load 2080ti for cheap. I would try and return that 3090 to the retailers if you still can.
 

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These embargos are annoying, but for what its worth I saw Phoronix, the Linux review site, has been testing as well. https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Radeon-RX-6800-Box - As the author says, AMD wouldn't be sending copies to such a Linux specific site if they didn't expect it to perform well and be supported on the platform, so that's a good sign indeed.

While I'm curious to wait for benchmarks, I'm wondering if the AIB partner board variants will release soon or if it will be stock configuration for a few weeks at least? I'm curious if there will be a difference in performance or features from high end offerings from Asus ROG , AORUS, and Sapphire? Lastly, apparently the AMD 6900 XT - the highest end, will NOT be given a concurrent release and wont show up until December? Hope they have full comparisons and review data by independent 3rd parties by its launch, especially as its said there wont' be AIB versions of this one at all and possibly direct AMD branding only.
Well I plan on getting a generic reference card because it wil have the most compatability with water blocks
 

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Lol, cheaper if you buy slower parts... Great comparison, lol. You can go even cheaper if you get an i3 & gtx 1060!!! Man, so cheap. Seriously, you compare a 5600x that is more like a 10700k than a 10600k, then compare the 6800 which is closer to the 3080 than the 3070... And say it's cheaper. You can drop it into a on h410 and save even more $$ (and run even slower). Or you can be serious and say a 5600x + $100 b550 is as cheap as a 10600k+z490 but faster and cheaper than a 10700k while performing very similar. The 6800 is more than a 3070 but faster... It's slower than a 3080 and cheaper. Perf/$ comes out similar between them so it's just buying the performance level you're after. You didn't 'save' money, you bought slower parts ;).
lol. Spot on!
 

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You should never be concerned about resell value of computer hardware. Prices can tank rather quickly. You seen what the 3070 did to 2080ti when announced. We were still over a month away from 3070 and so many people tried too off load 2080ti for cheap.

They've rebounded now though; almost all of the 2080ti cards on ebay are selling for > $800, and even 1080ti cards on ebay are selling for over $400 right now.
 

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Yup, as many warned. With games like AC Valhalla and Cyberpunk people were going to get desperate for a 2080ti since they couldn't get any of the new generation.
 

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They've rebounded now though; almost all of the 2080ti cards on ebay are selling for > $800, and even 1080ti cards on ebay are selling for over $400 right now.

Sell them now for sure at those prices. At some point stock is going to stabilize, and Pascal/Turing card prices are going to plummet.
 

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Sell them now for sure at those prices. At some point stock is going to stabilize, and Pascal/Turing card prices are going to plummet.

Prices of GPUs might come back to MSRP by june next year, I guess

Speaking at the recent Jefferies Interactive Entertainment Virtual Conference, Xbox CFO Tim Stuart expressed his belief that supply shortages of Microsoft’s next-gen consoles could continue until April 2021.

https://www.thefpsreview.com/2020/1...-x-s-shortages-may-continue-until-april-2021/
 

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Sell them now for sure at those prices. At some point stock is going to stabilize, and Pascal/Turing card prices are going to plummet.

Used prices will return to what the market will bear, somewhere between where we are now and the ampere-announcement panic selling (those poor bastards). The reality is that there is always going to be a good market for used GPUs within a generation or two, because there exists a sizeable number of people who don't play the latest games until they have been out for several years. Maybe they are putting together a budget build, maybe they built a new system and just want a placeholder card for the time being, or maybe they are just upgrading their old system to get a few more years out of it.
 

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I WANT THAT CASE
I’m sure it’s a Pelican knock-off; AMD used to occasionally send out engineering samples in those. The real deal will run you two, three hundo, but if you’re serious about protecting your electronics, it’s worth it.

Also if you’re flying, put a gun in there to keep the TSA out of it. Plenty of people check electronics, camera equipment, and other expensive property with guns because TSOs can’t open it and steal stuff.
 
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Used prices will return to what the market will bear, somewhere between where we are now and the ampere-announcement panic selling (those poor bastards). The reality is that there is always going to be a good market for used GPUs within a generation or two, because there exists a sizeable number of people who don't play the latest games until they have been out for several years. Maybe they are putting together a budget build, maybe they built a new system and just want a placeholder card for the time being, or maybe they are just upgrading their old system to get a few more years out of it.

If there is good stock of the 3070 at $500-550, there is no reason to pay the same price for a 2080Ti. Likewise, if the 3060Ti beats a 2080 Super, then you wouldn't think that a 2080 Super is worth more than $350 tops upon good availability of the 3060Ti.

Until there is good stock, it's pretty much fair game on pricing though.
 

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If there is good stock of the 3070 at $500-550, there is no reason to pay the same price for a 2080Ti. Likewise, if the 3060Ti beats a 2080 Super, then you wouldn't think that a 2080 Super is worth more than $350 tops upon good availability of the 3060Ti.
Sure, the market will determine the value of the used card, but the two cards are roughly comparable, and the 8GB vs 11GB may be a factor. I still wouldn't expect a used one gen older card to come in at the same price as a current gen card though, and the $800 price for a used 2080ti is most certainly an S&D bubble.

Until there is good stock, it's pretty much fair game on pricing though.

Agreed on that, pic related omgwtfbbqlol

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Also if you’re flying, put a gun in there to keep the TSA out of it.
Since when? It's been a long time since I flew with a gun but I'm pretty sure I found a "hi there" tag in my case once.
 
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