AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT and RX 5700 Review Roundup

alxlwson said:
Almost everything you desire in an Acer XR382CQK
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Did you miss the size, and the NOT CURVED?

I also want nothing to do with curved displays. When my current display finally croaks, I will be looking for a QHD, preferably 30-32". Ideally it would have a IPS panel with a anti-glow filter like my current NEC, but I haven't seen anything that size with that kind of screen.

 
Snowdog said:
Did you miss the size, and the NOT CURVED?

I also want nothing to do with curved displays. When my current display finally croaks, I will be looking for a QHD, preferably 30-32". Ideally it would have a IPS panel with a anti-glow filter like my current NEC, but I haven't seen anything that size with that kind of screen.
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Did you miss the word "almost"?
 
alxlwson said:
Did you miss the word "almost"?
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It's not almost when you miss two of the most critical elements size, and NOT CURVED. An indication of importance was that it was in ALL CAPS.

While not stated, given the other specs, I will bet he didn't want Ultra-Wide either.

You also failed on refresh. He wanted 144Hz.

So basically the only thing you got right is screen type (IPS).
 
Snowdog said:
It's not almost when you miss two of the most critical elements size, and NOT CURVED. An indication of importance was that it was in ALL CAPS.

While not stated, given the other specs, I will bet he didn't want Ultra-Wide either.

You also failed on refresh. He wanted 144Hz.

So basically the only thing you got right is screen type (IPS).
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Almost has varying degrees of correctness ;)
 
5150Joker said:
Most reviews use canned benchmarks from a handful of games that nobody really plays. Go look at Hardware Canucks review of the 5700/5700XT showing pubg/fortnite results including the 1% times vs 2060S/2070S. I'm sure you will blame drivers but if that's the case, why should a consumer have to wait on AMD to fix their drivers on a finished product? I have a lengthy post about how most video card reviews are useless but I'm too lazy to dig up the link, it's on fps review forums.
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You are 100% correct!

And over time, given those one-off type results/reviews that those "canned sites" do, they become the outlier and blackswans. So that a consumer must do their due diligence and read 15+ reviews to get a good cadence of what is actually going on. And the more reviews you read, the better understanding you have.

When you read that many different reviews, a clear pattern emerges. The Industry favors Navi...! (in a massive way..)



As a consumer, I thought it was an easy choice and a breath of fresh air in the GPU space. And came here to rub elbows with technaughts and ramble in the excitement of some new builds... only to find bias. Getting hammered I decided to read everything I could, to combat the pseudo-ignorance I see popping up. But I am starting to figure it out and so is everyone else. Obvious is obvious at this point.



Sucks sometimes to be able to see it, it ruins the day.
 
Honestly the curve isn’t that bad. Normal browsing it is noticeable but games and movies I personally don’t notice the curve.

But yeah it’s a bit BS that almost all the Freesync 2 monitors are curved. Only one that doesn’t seem to be is a LG screen with a VA panel.
 
GoodBoy said:
Something they could do would be to have massive matches that are cooperative against an insane amount of NPC enemies... so 100 players, all together in a server with 10000 monsters in a crazy psycho onslaught! Would be nuts, and might be something not possible with players who play from their own pc. Could also be team battles of 100 vs 100, or gigantic team battles where one team is playing as demons..

Wrong.

Wrong again.
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How absurd are you going to be?
It's almost as if you will post anything no matter how absurd, if you think it wins you an argument. Please quit jamming up a Radeon RX 5700 Series thread. You are starting arguments with people about known facts... just to jamm this thread up. Obvious is obvious

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Pictures are worth a thousand of your lies.
 
Gamer X said:
You are 100% correct!

And over time, given those one-off type results/reviews that those "canned sites" do, they become the outlier and blackswans. So that a consumer must do their due diligence and read 15+ reviews to get a good cadence of what is actually going on. And the more reviews you read, the better understanding you have.

When you read that many different reviews, a clear pattern emerges. The Industry favors Navi...! (in a massive way..)



As a consumer, I thought it was an easy choice and a breath of fresh air in the GPU space. And came here to rub elbows with technaughts and ramble in the excitement of some new builds... only to find bias. Getting hammered I decided to read everything I could, to combat the pseudo-ignorance I see popping up. But I am starting to figure it out and so is everyone else. Obvious is obvious at this point.



Sucks sometimes to be able to see it, it ruins the day.
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Clickbait videos are bad enough, but one from GamerX, yeah won't be rewarding that with a click.

Media bias against AMD is laughable, reviews have been overwhelmingly positive. It's not the total home run that Zen 2 is, but that is reality, not Media bias.
 
IdiotInCharge said:
You know, except the cooler, the drivers, the software, the broken overclocking...

:D
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Yes, those are valid criticisms... if & when they are true.

-Coolers are a non-sequitur, moot.
-Drivers work. (see software)
-Software. Updates are forthcoming, and even reviewers are assured of this. Nothing in AMD's past has indicated it is going to abandon Navi. So assume that RDNA and Navi's drivers to only get better. And many of the Reviewers reflect this.
-Overclocking is broken..? Or is it you do not understand how Navi OC? It seems many review sites figured it out. Navi will gobble up all the cooling you can give it. What many are upset about, is no controls to undervolt, or underclock Navi.
 
Snowdog said:
:rolleyes:

Cargo Pants look lame, and the pockets add weight, catch on things.

2060 Super RTX features cause zero harm. 2060 Super performs almost like 5700XT, uses less power, runs quieter and for the same price has RTX features.

Need my big blue HWUB graph to see how close 2060 Super is to 5700XT, but it is looking a little too close for comfort, IMO.
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causes zero harm?

LOL. I guess it is fine for Nv to slap on extra shit to jack the price higher, convince as many that bought them or are looking to "just buy it"

other features over the years that AMD or others wanted to do @ less or no extra cost and NOT "forced" to only use their product that they will ensure to scrap features and shit that no longer aligns with what THEY want regardless of what WE the ones who buy would prefer etc.

just like PhysX which was "cool" unfortunately with this ray trace crud is another "oh but that does not have dedicated NVIDIA raytrace therefore it must suck"

blekkkk.

IMO that raytrace is "free" sure, after you spent x extra hundreds for the "ability".... funny how they (Nvidia) as well as "others" make such a huge stink about AMD not using Nvidia specific CUDA or w/e things but when it came to others such as tessellation or freesync Nv could "not be bothered" they prefered to do a mishmash of hard/software just to avoid dedicated (prefered) method of doing so (save them $$$$$$$$$) a moment later they are vehement that their version of freesync i.e Gsync costs little extra (yeh right) works better (mehh) and only Nv can do any of the multitude of Nvidia specific "features" (not really, but it sure allows them to slap a coat of expensive paint of turds.

I myself base on the hardware in question, not the little "oh but it can do 24x shadow instead of only 12x, only costs more and turning that on drops performance to even worse than dealing with not a "nice" shadows" (sort of speak)
 
Snowdog said:
Clickbait videos are bad enough, but one from GamerX, yeah won't be rewarding that with a click.

Media bias against AMD is laughable, reviews have been overwhelmingly positive. It's not the total home run that Zen 2 is, but that is reality, not Media bias.
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I read your post history.
You are unable to click and watch that video because of cognitive dissonance. The mere fact you are afraid to discuss it or any opposing idea, and always run from it, is very telling of why you keep interrupting AMD threads...

You were confronted with facts and you deflected once again. Proving you are unwilling to discuss Navi as you tow some snickering narrative. To mean that means you are not worth my time, bcz your unwilling to discuss.


AMD has a $349 GPU matching Nvidia's brand new (3 days old) $500 RTX 2070 SUPER in certain games. How as a gamer can't you be "OMFBBQ" excited about that? Then hearing the bigger brother is coming. Most People in the gaming industry are thinking "wtf" if little sis is punching above her weight, then wtf is big-brother going to do...?

 
Susquehannock said:
Rumors of Radeon VII demise. Hmmm ... (source ... source)
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I am not sure if this is really the case, but it seems reasonable. The Radeon VII was always very expensive to produce due to the use of HBM2 memory. If nothing else, the Radeon 5700XT / 5700 cards are cheaper to make.

Beyond that, I don't know about the media giving the Radeon 5700's a raw deal. I think if there is any bias against them its disappointment over the fact that AMD is only competitive with the mid-range NVIDIA GPU's. There are still cards above it in the product stack. The RTX 2070 Super and Super FE are generally faster, as are the RTX 2080 and RTX 2080 Ti's. That's allot of cards AMD has no answer for. The Radeon 5700XT also has no ray tracing support and even if it had it, the cards are unlikely to be fast enough to make any use of the feature. Don't get me wrong, the data I've seen suggests the 5700/5700XT are good cards for the money and do slot in nicely at certain price / performance points and are competitive there. That's great and there are plenty of reasons to be excited if those products appeal to you. A friend of mine is indeed looking at a 5700XT and it looks like a good choice for him given his budget.

Even so, AMD may have returned to the glory days as a CPU maker, but we are far from seeing anything similar happening on the GPU front. Most of the tech media are enthusiasts as well. I think everyone wants to see something challenge NVIDIA on the top end and give us choice across the entire product stack. If nothing else, some people want to see NVIDIA knocked down a peg or two.
 
dragonstongue said:
causes zero harm?

IMO that raytrace is "free" sure, after you spent x extra hundreds for the "ability"....
(snipped bunch of irrelevant griping)
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Sure if x = between 0 and 1. It's not multiple hundreds.

How it stacks right now:

5700Xt Raster performance slots between 2060 Super at the same price, and the 2070 Super with and RTX for $100 more. Depending on the review, 5700XT performance may be closer to 2060s or 2070s, but it's always between them.

So:

You can pay ZERO more for 2060S, and get RTX, but you do get slightly less performance. For 0 Hundreds more.

Or

You can pay $100 more for 2070S, and get RTX, but you do get slightly more performance. For 1 Hundred more.
 
Snowdog said:
Sure if x = between 0 and 1. It's not multiple hundreds.

How it stacks right now:

5700Xt Raster performance slots between 2060 Super at the same price, and the 2070 Super with and RTX for $100 more. Depending on the review, 5700XT performance may be closer to 2060s or 2070s, but it's always between them.

So:

You can pay ZERO more for 2060S, and get RTX, but you do get slightly less performance. For 0 Hundreds more.

Or

You can pay $100 more for 2070S, and get RTX, but you do get slightly more performance. For 1 Hundred more.
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I'd agree with that. The other caveat is that there aren't a significant number of RTX enabled games. So you either get the extra performance now (5700XT) or hope that more RTX games come out later before the card is obsolete (2060 Super) at the $400 price point.
 
Snowdog said:
Sure if x = between 0 and 1. It's not multiple hundreds.

How it stacks right now:

5700Xt Raster performance slots between 2060 Super at the same price, and the 2070 Super with and RTX for $100 more. Depending on the review, 5700XT performance may be closer to 2060s or 2070s, but it's always between them.

So:

You can pay ZERO more for 2060S, and get RTX, but you do get slightly less performance. For 0 Hundreds more.

Or

You can pay $100 more for 2070S, and get RTX, but you do get slightly more performance. For 1 Hundred more.
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RT performance on a 2060 is a joke even the 2070 is marginal.
 
Snowdog said:
Sure if x = between 0 and 1. It's not multiple hundreds.

How it stacks right now:
5700Xt Raster performance slots between 2060 Super at the same price, and the 2070 Super with and RTX for $100 more. Depending on the review, 5700XT performance may be closer to 2060s or 2070s, but it's always between them.

So:You can pay ZERO more for 2060S, and get RTX, but you do get slightly less performance. For 0 Hundreds more.
Or
You can pay $100 more for 2070S, and get RTX, but you do get slightly more performance. For 1 Hundred more.
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This^ is proof that some People can't think outside their box.




As some are just blatantly ignoring anything or response or fact you throw at him, because they are part of what those videos are talking about. How Jensen doesn't have enough influence to manipulate the blatant truth.

Navi architecture is so powerful, it has.... a just released $499 RTX 2070 SUPER on it's knees in Battlefield. Jensen is shatting some big bricks right now! He knows how small Navi is, and how fast it going (2.2Ghz) and AIO cards are coming, that will put the Radeon 7 out to rest..?

AMD's Navi RDNA is a clear win against Nvidia and is a crushing blow to Jensen.
 
Gamer X said:
This^ is proof that some People can't think outside their box.




As some are just blatantly ignoring anything or response or fact you throw at him, because they are part of what those videos are talking about. How Jensen doesn't have enough influence to manipulate the blatant truth.

Navi architecture is so powerful, it has.... a just released $499 RTX 2070 SUPER on it's knees in Battlefield. Jensen is shatting some big bricks right now! He knows how small Navi is, and how fast it going (2.2Ghz) and AIO cards are coming, that will put the Radeon 7 out to rest..?

AMD's Navi RDNA is a clear win against Nvidia and is a crushing blow to Jensen.
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I say this with a 5700XT on it's way...

You're overstating the case. There are always going to be some wins and losses for both Nvidia and AMD depending on the game engine, etc. Sure, BF is one example of AMD performing above a card $100 more expensive, but there are others (Fortnite) where it performs under a somewhat cheaper Nvidia card. Overall, this is a step in the right direction for AMD, but it's not any sledgehammer to Jensen's hopes and dreams (as much as I wish it was).
 
DedEmbryonicCe11 said:
NVidia has pushed the pricing upwards successfully already. Are we ever again going to see $200 cards that blow away anyone passed their teens? Lower bins of the 5700 chip can be produced for $300 after a few months. I'm sure the Asian market for example will see a cheap variant we don't get in the west that's further gimped with some disabled RAM/bandwidth or whatever.
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Well the 1660ti is often under $250 now. And the 2060 has some deals dipping under $280.
 
I don't mind the curved screens and prefer it in the ultrawide 21:9's. Got one now and its really great, just want to go to a higher refresh. Still waiting, but the asus PQ35VQ is still not available... it will be a VA panel, but linus reviewed it and it did well.
 
Gamer X said:
Yes, those are valid criticisms... if & when they are true.
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They're all true for the reviews.

Gamer X said:
-Coolers are a non-sequitur, moot.
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Not for the reviewers ;)

Gamer X said:
-Drivers work. (see software)
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There are a number of games that show abysmal frametimes- to the point of being unplayable.

Gamer X said:
-Software. Updates are forthcoming, and even reviewers are assured of this. Nothing in AMD's past has indicated it is going to abandon Navi. So assume that RDNA and Navi's drivers to only get better. And many of the Reviewers reflect this.
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Updates that weren't available to reviewers at the time of review?

Gamer X said:
-Overclocking is broken..? Or is it you do not understand how Navi OC? It seems many review sites figured it out. Navi will gobble up all the cooling you can give it. What many are upset about, is no controls to undervolt, or underclock Navi.
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It will gobble up all the cooling and all the power you give it, and return <5% extra performance. That's >50% power draw for <5% performance. That's broken.


I did not argue that the issues won't be addressed. In fact, I've argued repeatedly that potential buyers would be best served by waiting for AMD to get stuff sorted.
 
Gamer X said:
...Navi architecture is so powerful, it has.... a just released $499 RTX 2070 SUPER on it's knees in Battlefield.
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True. If you are only buying a video card now, to only play Battlefield V, then yes, the 5700xt is your go-to value proposition. For just about every other game, and for several of the most played games, it's slower. It also has no RTX, so for anything other than Battlefield V only players, it is not only slower, but already obsolete.

Gamer X said:
AMD's Navi RDNA is a clear win against Nvidia and is a crushing blow to Jensen.
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Most people who can think for themselves and look past fanboy ranting and biased youtube videos by AMD sycophants/AMD shills (AMD paid viral marketing)/ disagree with the above statement.

Show me a Navi that is beating a 2080... you can't, as there isn't one. What you have shown me is a navi that is basically tied with my >2 year old 1080Ti.
I'm the clear winner as I have had this performance for over 2 years now and I don't have to spend anything to continue having this performance. It only took AMD 2 years to get here... so yeah, they are BEHIND massively.
 
GoodBoy said:
True. If you are only buying a video card now, to only play Battlefield V, then yes, the 5700xt is your go-to value proposition. For just about every other game, and for several of the most played games, it's slower. It also has no RTX, so for anything other than Battlefield V only players, it is not only slower, but already obsolete.



Most people who can think for themselves and look past fanboy ranting and biased youtube videos by AMD sycophants/AMD shills (AMD paid viral marketing)/ disagree with the above statement.

Show me a Navi that is beating a 2080... you can't, as there isn't one. What you have shown me is a navi that is basically tied with my >2 year old 1080Ti.
I'm the clear winner as I have had this performance for over 2 years now and I don't have to spend anything to continue having this performance. It only took AMD 2 years to get here... so yeah, they are BEHIND massively.
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I used Battlefield as only ONE example dude. You know this, I asked you if you wanted a chart war and you backed down because there are some 20+ reviews that are telling you that you are wrong. You can't keep lying anymore, not even to yourself. People here have already challenged you to pick a review site and then discuss. You are unable to.



Yes, I think everyone is away that there are games where Nvidia's GPU fare better..! And good for them. But those reviews, or games or the minority and doesn't shed light where the AMD card equal or besting nvidia in a 20 game spread. Navi is even beating up on Vega 7nm too. So Nvidia cheerleader's shouldnt feel bad, Radeon VII gamer's feel your woes. Do understand, there are some reviews where Nvidia lost in nearly every game. Anandtech shows how powerful Navi's new RDNA architecture is.


Most of the tech giants are not talking about this (Navi's dominance), because it would be improper, while Jensen is whipping egg off his face. The can only shunt Navi's driver/software issues. Navi will easily see a 5%~ 10% increase in performance in many games, over the next few months as the drivers get some polish.



RDNA ftw...

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Look people. If you can't talk about or debate things we will close this thread. Just because someone disagrees with you or points out where you are wrong that is NOT A REASON to keep reporting posts. Reporting posts helps us do our jobs, abusing the report post button because you don't like argument is not what it is there for and it WILL get you warned.

So, let's keep to a nice civil discussion and use but not abuse the system. Understood?
 
GoodBoy said:
I don't mind the curved screens and prefer it in the ultrawide 21:9's. Got one now and its really great, just want to go to a higher refresh. Still waiting, but the asus PQ35VQ is still not available... it will be a VA panel, but linus reviewed it and it did well.
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Hey bro, don't conveniently skip over post #289. Simply not fair to everyone if you won't reconsile.


As for Monitors..?
Understand that Xbox and PlayStation will both be FreeSync2.0. Not-to-mention, (but I will) Samsung TV's already support FS2.0. The next pancea of gaming is OLED gaming and zero ghosting and 144Hz stable panels.

I have a 34" for 3+ year now and looking to go bigger. The 38" is coming down in price and that 49" Samsung is insane for MMO'ers.


G-Sync is dead, good luck with your Monitor... mine is for sale shortly (Acer x34 g-sync).
 
Gamer X said:
You are 100% correct!

And over time, given those one-off type results/reviews that those "canned sites" do, they become the outlier and blackswans. So that a consumer must do their due diligence and read 15+ reviews to get a good cadence of what is actually going on. And the more reviews you read, the better understanding you have.

When you read that many different reviews, a clear pattern emerges. The Industry favors Navi...! (in a massive way..)



As a consumer, I thought it was an easy choice and a breath of fresh air in the GPU space. And came here to rub elbows with technaughts and ramble in the excitement of some new builds... only to find bias. Getting hammered I decided to read everything I could, to combat the pseudo-ignorance I see popping up. But I am starting to figure it out and so is everyone else. Obvious is obvious at this point.



Sucks sometimes to be able to see it, it ruins the day.
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Its only an easy choice because rtx is likely a joke on this generation of cards and a poor investment. Low ram probably too.

Good Old Gamer was the tech tuber I mentioned earlier claiming Navi is neither Vega nor Polaris replacement so people should stop crying on price or something. Price wise it isn't Polaris and Perf wise in the product stack its equal or better to Vega and better than Vega prices (till recent cheap vegas). Its a Vega replacement. The media is mostly ripping on the blower coolers.

My gripe is, no matter what, the gpu market has me having to spend $350+ to get a decent upgrade from 3-5 year old parts that cost less than that at the time. Toss in AIB cards that are $50-80 more expensive than reference/FE and I'm done. Saw that 2070Super Evga triple card that is $580 for 1% more perf on techpowerup yesterday.

Wake me up for custom 5700/xt reviews with an actual cooler on it and the 2080super.
 
Gideon said:
RT performance on a 2060 is a joke even the 2070 is marginal.
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Sure if you are expecting to play at 4k. But If you have a 1080p monitor (which most gamers do), then the 2060 Super can deliver 80-100 FPS with DXR enabled in the first group of RT enabled games, as I indicated earlier in the thread:
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That isn't a joke, nor marginal.

There seems to a few people that will insist you must play at 4K, so RTX is not viable, and further seem to think developers have peaked in RT optimization, and some even believe it actually gets worse from here.

The reality is that most of us play on 1080p, and even a 2060 Super can deliver decent RT performance there. Developers are going to get better over time in optimizing RT performance. We already have Doom Eternal developers saying how much better their Vulkan RT implementation is going to be.

kirbyrj said:
I'd agree with that. The other caveat is that there aren't a significant number of RTX enabled games. So you either get the extra performance now (5700XT) or hope that more RTX games come out later before the card is obsolete (2060 Super) at the $400 price point.
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Doom Eternal and CP 2077 are two VERY big titles with RT support announced, and IIRC you get two RT enabled games included as well. Maybe CP 2077 will hit the 2060 Super too hard, but from what the Doom Eternal devs have said, I expect it will be quite good for that.

I don't play 5 different games a week, not even 5 different games a month, more like that in a year. If it has a couple of RT games included to mess with until Doom Eternal, and CP 2077 launch, that is PLENTY for me. Though I would probably just be catching up on Witcher 3 for quite a while.
 
And you just proved the point by citing games that aren't out yet as reasons to be excited about RT ;).

And my next order or business is probably to finish off AC: Odyssey's DLC which has no RT, so I won't miss it anyway.
 
kirbyrj said:
And you just proved the point by citing games that aren't out yet as reasons to be excited about RT ;).
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Pretty hard to buy a card in the price range of the RTX cards and not get hardware RT. You would basically be planning to upgrade again for those games in a year.

I get that at lower price levels it's not much of a choice, but I will also point out that most people, including most enthusiasts, keep their GPUs long enough that buying a GPU without RT right now would be a mistake.
 
IdiotInCharge said:
Pretty hard to buy a card in the price range of the RTX cards and not get hardware RT. You would basically be planning to upgrade again for those games in a year.

I get that at lower price levels it's not much of a choice, but I will also point out that most people, including most enthusiasts, keep their GPUs long enough that buying a GPU without RT right now would be a mistake.
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I disagree but mainly because I think Nvidia is greedy enough to keep charging top dollar to get playable performance above 1080p with newer more complex engines.

Actually I probably will upgrade again lol.
 
kirbyrj said:
And you just proved the point by citing games that aren't out yet as reasons to be excited about RT ;).
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Yes, but you said "hope that more RTX games come out later" future. These games are announced, with shipping dates, so there isn't really much "hope" involved. These are pretty much sure things.

You get free RT enabled "Wolf Youngblood", target date is later this month, and it looks like all future iD Tech game engine games will be RT enabled.

The other RT enabled freebie, Remedy's Control with target date in August.

If I built a new PC today with a 2060S, I would likely still be finishing Witcher 3, Wolf YB, and Control long after Doom Eternal and CP 2077 came out, so really no chance I would run out of games or even RT enabled ones to play.
 
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