You should car about the heat since this video card will come in handy as a space heater
Winter is almost here
Guess it'll help some save on the heating bill then. Double win.
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Guess it'll help some save on the heating bill then. Double win.
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This bodes well for everyone, fastest top end single GPU to date at a significant cost reduction. It means (hopefully) lower prices on the green side as well. Anyone looking to upgrade around Xmas time should have a good variety of top end GPU's, both Red and Green, at much better prices than we have seen in some time.
nVidia fanboys should really just stop grasping for reasons why this release is somehow a bad thing.
nVidia fanboys should really just stop grasping for reasons why this release is somehow a bad thing.
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One of the features being showcased with the new lineup from AMD, even the rebrands (so the 280x/270x is not quite the same as a 7970/7870) is eyefinity without needing native DP or an active adapter.
You can see it explained more here - http://www.anandtech.com/show/7400/the-radeon-r9-280x-review-feat-asus-xfx/3
I want to see performance with BF4 and Mantle on a AMD CPU/GPU setup. Perhaps a 9590 to throw in to get the [H]ardest performance possible. Not that I am giving up my Titans any time soon...just really curious to see from a hardware performance/geek perspective.
I am a nvidia owner and I think its great that companies do this to reduce prices,
If they didn't nvidia would be a monopoly and AmD would be out of business.
I am sure if nvidia wanted too right now they could release a card that would destroy anything AMD could muster .
My question is, can you understand graphs? Please, tell me what you can extrapolate from this data.
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You've been here 10 years, really, what kind of stupid reply gimmick are you going with tonight. Recently learn about logical fallacy arguments in poli-sci or something?
We're not talking about starving kids in Africa, someone dropping $1100-2000 on multi-GPU setups is not going to worry about saving / paying an extra $3 a month in power costs at the worst possible usage case.
Awesome card for the money. Yes I was a bit disappointed with the power and heat output but not surprised considering AMD were still stuck on 28nm and had a much smaller die to compete. Over all Im very happy cause this will bring down the high end to more reasonable prices. Nvidia was really raping us with their pricing.
My question is, can you understand graphs? Please, tell me what you can extrapolate from this data.
It looks like to me corsair needs to release a liquid cooler for this video card ASAP and people need to ensure they have plenty of ventilation in the case
Forgot to mention a new power supply too
Remember power supply's degrade every year
Great. I'm sure Hardocp will let us know when they do.
From page 4 of the review:
Am I reading this correctly? Are you saying that 4k 60hz is supported over the HDMI1.4b connection? Or are you saying 4k is supported over hdmi, and 4k 60hz over displayport? Everything I read about HDMI 1.4b (I'm no expert but I can has google) indicates it added support for 1080p 120hz, but does not support 4k 60hz.
Am I reading this correctly? Are you saying that 4k 60hz is supported over the HDMI1.4b connection? Or are you saying 4k is supported over hdmi, and 4k 60hz over displayport? Everything I read about HDMI 1.4b (I'm no expert but I can has google) indicates it added support for 1080p 120hz, but does not support 4k 60hz.
Yep Im sure of that as well
....We all know that the all powerfull Nvidia always has a plan B just in case. Yep Im sure of that as well
LOL. This card's announcement/release has brought me many laughs.
Kudos to AMD for the entertainment.
Here here
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Hmmm.....still not happy with AMD's implementation of that. None of the three monitors I have are the same resolution let alone the same timing identical.
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Third party coolers will lower temps, and binning might lower power load.
The TI will be out by then
Sounds like i need to upgrade my NEC 2690s soon to 4k
I need to upgrade to LED anyway to save power these old NEC CFLs are creating too much heat and using 50 watts more then i want now
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true also don't forget the G92 gpu's where nvidia had a short stint of being more efficient til they either fired the guy that developed the G92 gpu or threw him off a bridge and released the GTX 200 series, lol.
i think some people are going a little nuts about the temps. i honestly think once we start seeing custom cooling on these cards the "omg the card runs at 95C" bullcrap will be completely forgotten. AMD's reference coolers have always been trash and anyone spending this kind of money is not going to save a couple dollars buying a reference card over a custom PCB/cooled card.
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Also why do some people seem to think that Maxwell will be the only alternative ? Amd have been working on their Maxwell counter as well.
290x(28nm) is only AMD's counter to the 780 (28nm). The fact that it competes well with a 1000$ titan makes the 290x even better. For the 99% of us who care about value this card is a godsend. Sure there are some negatives(heat/noise). Every review has them but then again titan perf for half the price ? In my books that's just FANTASTIC
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jesus fucking christ,AMD hit the ball off the fucking planet with this one!
Whatever the new version of HDMI is, it's on this card, and it supports 4k 60Hz
Well, the newest version of HDMI is 2.0, and part of it's feature set is 4k @ 60hz. But the article states it's only HDMI 1.4b. That's why I was trying to clarify what the card can and cannot do in terms of 4k connectivity.
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For the love of god I hope powercolor makes a vortex version of this card. I would buy it in a heartbeat. I can't help but love the design of those cards. Great review. Don't give a shit how much power it uses. This thing is a beast!
It's a video toaster!
I don't see custom coolers helping much, that heat is going to still need to be blown out of your system so you'll now have loud case fans churning instead of a loud blower fan on the GPU.
Powertune 2 now takes into consideration heat before throttling and it seems very easy to hit that 95 degree mark, after gaming on this card for an hour I would expect to see a performance drop unless you can keep those temperatures down, might be easy as opening a window if you live some place cold but in the summer or if you live where it's warm in the winter you'll throttle for sure.
Hopefully the 290 non x doesn't run so freak'n hot.
It's a video toaster!
I don't see custom coolers helping much, that heat is going to still need to be blown out of your system so you'll now have loud case fans churning instead of a loud blower fan on the GPU.
Powertune 2 now takes into consideration heat before throttling and it seems very easy to hit that 95 degree mark, after gaming on this card for an hour I would expect to see a performance drop unless you can keep those temperatures down, might be easy as opening a window if you live some place cold but in the summer or if you live where it's warm in the winter you'll throttle for sure.
Hopefully the 290 non x doesn't run so freak'n hot.
Thanks for providing this factual data. I see that the hot spot is no where on the gpu.
What if you stick this video card outside this winter? Would that help?
I wonder if AMD should be providing warning labels to place outside your pc. Small children or adults could potentially need a skin Graf after touching this 290x
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I'm glad it exists as nvidia will need to drop prices.
Also a bunch of questions:
Since it downclocks due to temprature - were the tests done in case ? How do clock speeds behave after few hours long gaming session ?
Also a bunch of questions:
Since it downclocks due to temprature - were the tests done in case ? How do clock speeds behave after few hours long gaming session ?
Yeah, thread was great until the trolls showed up in force to once again justify their purchase. Anyway 1 week until 290 NDA and a month until third party cooling solutions.
"silent mode"
"uber mode" note the higher RPM on the cooling fan.
15 minutes of Crysis 3 and you can see once the card hits 94 degrees it throttles the core clock down slightly to attempt lowering the temperature.
I wonder just how loud 100% fan is on this cooler
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It was bound to happen. It always does. Expect to see the same arguing points over and over again for a few days.
15 minutes of Crysis 3 and you can see once the card hits 94 degrees it throttles the core clock down slightly to attempt lowering the temperature.
It's still a great card compared to a thousand dollar titan. I like the fact AMD has j made it possible to spread the cards far apart in crossfire by not needing a cable. But is it really worth running over a 100 watts more then a Nvidia sli solution
Idk
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/radeon_r9_290x_crossfire_vs_sli_review_benchmarks,4.html
Personally I think a gtx780 non reference board cooling is a better way to go right now
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You didn't get the point. Waterblocks are required to achieve in R9 290X what you can with stock coolers with 780s in SLi. With the Ti bios people are running 1200+ clocks on 780s in SLi configuration. This implies almost a ~40% increase in core clock that is usually translateable into ~25%+ performance increase compared to 780 stock speeds.Slightly bipolar are we? $200 makes no difference, but waterblock prices are important
Makes sense . It still seems AMD might have a upper hand on drivers the next few months by squeezing more out of this card. I also am wondering how many complaints will be on new egg and amazon review forums etc how this card is so hot it is causing system crashes and component failures
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Failure_modes_of_electronics
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GTX Titan Quad-SLI has been dethroned: http://hwbot.org/submission/2441980_smoke_3dmark11___performance_4x_radeon_r9_290x_41531_marks
The best is yet to come!
The best is yet to come!
First off, after weeks of anticipation I'd like to thank Brent and Kyle for delivering such a detailed review.
The 290X certainly is a powerhouse given that it can compete with the best that nVidia has to offer, but I can't help but think that once the dust settles, and prices are dropped and the 780 Ti is available that those who wish to water cool and overclock their cards (like myself) will likely opt to spend the additional money for the 780 Ti. The overclocking headroom and efficiency ultimately make more sense to me.
Props to AMD though. The 290X is a bit late, but it's an absolute monster in the price/performance department. And I hope this isn't taken as me pooping on AMD... my current card is a 6970, so not only am I a happy AMD owner, but I'm also in the market for a new card before 2014.
The 290X certainly is a powerhouse given that it can compete with the best that nVidia has to offer, but I can't help but think that once the dust settles, and prices are dropped and the 780 Ti is available that those who wish to water cool and overclock their cards (like myself) will likely opt to spend the additional money for the 780 Ti. The overclocking headroom and efficiency ultimately make more sense to me.
Props to AMD though. The 290X is a bit late, but it's an absolute monster in the price/performance department. And I hope this isn't taken as me pooping on AMD... my current card is a 6970, so not only am I a happy AMD owner, but I'm also in the market for a new card before 2014.
Awesome card, would love to get 2 of them, but until AMD includes custom resolutions creation to allow for downsampling, AMD is a no-go for me.
Please Kyle, you need to investigate and promote the benefits of downsampling, as these is a game-changer for many people still gaming in 1080p (big-TVs, projectors). We need AMD to step-up their frame in this regard and at least offer the same functionality as NVIDA to have some competition (even better would be variable resolutions and downsampling/upsampling on a per-frame basis, that would be potentially even better than the GSYNC solution from NVIDIA, which is awesome on paper).
Please Kyle, you need to investigate and promote the benefits of downsampling, as these is a game-changer for many people still gaming in 1080p (big-TVs, projectors). We need AMD to step-up their frame in this regard and at least offer the same functionality as NVIDA to have some competition (even better would be variable resolutions and downsampling/upsampling on a per-frame basis, that would be potentially even better than the GSYNC solution from NVIDIA, which is awesome on paper).
Has this forum really had to put up with 10 years of your trolling or is it a recent thing for you?
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Yeah, I'm not sure either then. Will have to look it up later.