AMD Radeon 6700 XT Launch Live Stream - 10am 3/3/21

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True. But let's face it, Minecraft's historically poorly-performing used to need all the gpu help it could get.

Hey minecraft rtx is very gpu intensive. (sure it's only the lights/shadows/reflections that have changed, but it's a pretty big change)
 

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Is review embargo tomorrow?
I could've sworn i saw something about a 17th review and 18th buy date. but all of the articles i pulled up after seeing your post just say launching on the 18th. But the leaks have given us a pretty clear picture at this point. so they may as well let reviews drop tomorrow.
 

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Overall, we do wish two things, either the Radeon RX 6700 XT was faster, or it was priced lower. We think the $479 price tag is a bit steep for the performance experienced. If you consider that the GeForce RTX 3060 Ti was similar in gameplay experience, albeit slower, but has a suggested retail price as low as $399, then it makes the Radeon RX 6700 XT seem overpriced.

https://www.thefpsreview.com/2021/03/17/amd-radeon-rx-6700-xt-video-card-review/9/
 

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Overall, we do wish two things, either the Radeon RX 6700 XT was faster, or it was priced lower. We think the $479 price tag is a bit steep for the performance experienced. If you consider that the GeForce RTX 3060 Ti was similar in gameplay experience, albeit slower, but has a suggested retail price as low as $399, then it makes the Radeon RX 6700 XT seem overpriced.

https://www.thefpsreview.com/2021/03/17/amd-radeon-rx-6700-xt-video-card-review/9/

The other side of the coin is that you can't get a 3060Ti for $399 unless you are extremely lucky. Most of the AIB cards are in the $550-600+ range and the 3070 cards in the $650-750+ range (and people are lined up trying to buy at those prices). Even the significantly poorer performing 3060 12GB is $499 for AIB cards and you can't find that those either.

Honestly, it's no different than if AMD and Nvidia said the MSRP of the 6900XT and 3090 was $1 respectively. All that number is is a marketing number. Interested to see what the "real" cost of these cards is after the BBA cards are gone (within seconds no doubt).
 

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Overall, we do wish two things, either the Radeon RX 6700 XT was faster, or it was priced lower. We think the $479 price tag is a bit steep for the performance experienced. If you consider that the GeForce RTX 3060 Ti was similar in gameplay experience, albeit slower, but has a suggested retail price as low as $399, then it makes the Radeon RX 6700 XT seem overpriced.

https://www.thefpsreview.com/2021/03/17/amd-radeon-rx-6700-xt-video-card-review/9/
I do remember people here arguing with me that the 6700XT wasn't overpriced. Looks like I'm right again and Anthony from Linus Tech Tips seems to come to the same conclusion. It performs far slower than the RTX 3070, and barely matches the performance of the RTX 3060 Ti. Just cause AMD said it'll perform like a RTX 3070 doesn't mean it will. Now watch as AMD pushes bios updates that overclock the memory to justify the $480, just like they did for the 5600XT. The only reason anyone would buy a RX 6700XT is because you can't buy an Nvidia card.

 

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I do remember people here arguing with me that the 6700XT wasn't overpriced. Looks like I'm right again and Anthony from Linus Tech Tips seems to come to the same conclusion. It performs far slower than the RTX 3070, and barely matches the performance of the RTX 3060 Ti. Just cause AMD said it'll perform like a RTX 3070 doesn't mean it will. Now watch as AMD pushes bios updates that overclock the memory to justify the $480, just like they did for the 5600XT. The only reason anyone would buy a RX 6700XT is because you can't buy an Nvidia card.

The 5600XT official bios update situation for more performance was certainly not the best situation. But....it IS free performance.

And hey, now Nvidia is doing bios updates to add resizeable BAR ;)
 

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i *was* excited. now, not so much. going to wait. possibly for months.

The fact that there is a card launch and maybe some levels of stock should get you excited. At least you have a chance to buy a card. After the first group of cards are gone, these will be $600+ if you can find them. AIB cards will probably start at $600+. Sure if I had a choice between a $399 3060Ti and a $479 6700XT, I'd probably grab the Nvidia card, but I can't buy the $399 card. At best I might have a chance to buy a comparable card at $600 from a NE shuffle. You might actually have a full 30 seconds to attempt to buy a $479 6700XT.

MSRP is an illusion.
 

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The fact that there is a card launch and maybe some levels of stock should get you excited. At least you have a chance to buy a card. After the first group of cards are gone, these will be $600+ if you can find them. AIB cards will probably start at $600+. Sure if I had a choice between a $399 3060Ti and a $479 6700XT, I'd probably grab the Nvidia card, but I can't buy the $399 card. At best I might have a chance to buy a comparable card at $600 from a NE shuffle. You might actually have a full 30 seconds to attempt to buy a $479 6700XT.

MSRP is an illusion.
yeah - not excited. I have a 5700 (flashed xt) and I am going to just wait. MSRP for these were reasonable, but the hoops and scarcity premiums arent worth it. long gone are cards that come with game add ins also.

I am hoping/betting those days return within the year. (hopefully)
 

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GN Steve.

He's got it right... yes the 6700 xt is better then the 5700 xt. However you can take how much better it is and directly corollate that to the bump in price from 57 to 67. The value proposition is stagnant. Yes we can expect a 6600 that will sell for the 5700 XT price with the exact same performance.

Of course Nvidia and AMD can get away with this at the moment.... but yes it is disappointing. Both companies have what should have been a exciting bump generationally... which is now just disappointing. Price creep is one thing, what is happening at the moment is just straight up gouging. (and I'm talking about MSRPs not even counting the gouging happening at every point in the supply chain)
 

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I do remember people here arguing with me that the 6700XT wasn't overpriced. Looks like I'm right again and Anthony from Linus Tech Tips seems to come to the same conclusion. It performs far slower than the RTX 3070, and barely matches the performance of the RTX 3060 Ti. Just cause AMD said it'll perform like a RTX 3070 doesn't mean it will. Now watch as AMD pushes bios updates that overclock the memory to justify the $480, just like they did for the 5600XT. The only reason anyone would buy a RX 6700XT is because you can't buy an Nvidia card.


Another way of looking at this is that at 1080p the 6700 XT trades blows with the 3070 & 1440p (where its being positioned by AMD) then its competing against the 3060ti

So this boils down to the monitor you have & resolution you are gaming at (assuming RTX & DLSS is not a factor)
 

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Another way of looking at this is that at 1080p the 6700 XT trades blows with the 3070 & 1440p (where its being positioned by AMD) then its competing against the 3060ti

So this boils down to the monitor you have & resolution you are gaming at (assuming RTX & DLSS is not a factor)
More importantly is Ray-Tracing since that's the only real advantage these cards have over the previous AMD generation. In that regard the 6700XT is horribly overpriced. Not like it matters when miners and people with GTX 660's are grabbing these faster than you can click reply to my post.
 

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the 6700XT is horribly overpriced

It's priced in line with Nvidia's product line. Nvidia set the standard with their previous halo parts. Now AMD is just lapping up the margins.

It sucks for us, and I expect them to throw down the gauntlet like back in the day, but right now neither company is anywhere close to blinking.
 

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It's priced in line with Nvidia's product line. Nvidia set the standard with their previous halo parts. Now AMD is just lapping up the margins.
Not really. If that were true then the RX 6700 XT would be closer to $400 or even lower since it's comparable to that of the RTX 3060 Ti, and even then it's far worse at Ray-Tracing. AMD is pricing it like that because of the current huge demand. Not like people here having tried to buy this card due to limited availability. The MSRP currently doesn't matter and it won't for at least another year.
It sucks for us, and I expect them to throw down the gauntlet like back in the day, but right now neither company is anywhere close to blinking.
I think it's time that someone ports Linux onto the PS5 so we can play PC games on it. Let Sony and Microsoft in on this limited supply time.
 

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There is just no sense for AMD to allow the AIBs and Retailers to pull huge margins when they can take some of that margin itself. We may not like it, but facts are facts.

In fact, you could argue that pricing it cheaper that AMD would not be doing its fiduciary duty for its shareholders.

And I think it is worth keeping in mind as well....if it does not sell at those prices (which I highly doubt happens), all AMD has to do is adjust MSRP. You can always pull prices down, but you don't get to go up after launch.

Edit: That all said, in a "normal" GPU market the 6700 XT would be a $399 or $429 card.
 
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There is just no sense for AMD to allow the AIBs and Retailers to pull huge margins when they can take some of that margin itself. We may not like it, but facts are facts.

In fact, you could argue that pricing it cheaper that AMD would not be doing its fiduciary duty for its shareholders.

And I think it is worth keeping in mind as well....if it does not sell at those prices (which I highly doubt happens), all AMD has to do is adjust MSRP. You can always pull prices down, but you don't get to go up after launch.

Edit: That all said, in a "normal" GPU market the 6700 XT would be a $399 or $429 card.
I'll try to stay on topic - if there's one thing the Pandemic has taught me is that consumers will pay substantially more for the same product.

As a Florida Resident, Disney currently charges the same price despite ~90% of the experience being cut back. At Starbucks you no longer have the DIY condiment stand, but they'll charge you $1 to steam your half-and-half for a regular coffee (that used to be off-the-shelf)

Going forward, the 6700XT probably isn't an $800+ card like some have it listed today. But it probably is a $650 card now and into the future, with the 6800XT (and successors) being ~$850 cards, and 6900XT (and successors) being $1150 cards.

I don't think its fiduciary responsibility as much as Corporate Accountants everywhere had absolutely no idea that Americans were willing to pay substantially more to get exactly the same thing. And that will be the standard going forward (for all products) IMO.
 

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Going forward, the 6700XT probably isn't an $800+ card like some have it listed today. But it probably is a $650 card now and into the future, with the 6800XT (and successors) being ~$850 cards, and 6900XT (and successors) being $1150 cards.

I don't think these prices will hold in the long term. Someone's going to slash prices, probably leading up to refresh time (which might put Nvidia in the lead, there) and then they'll go into a price war.

Like a lot of people have mentioned, AMD is making thicc profits off these parts, so while they're in a position to start a price war, I don't think they'll drop prices first. As for miners, they know we're on the edge of a bubble, so it's looking less and less safe to overspend on graphics cards, although I think they'll be safe for the next 4-6 months.

Which is fine by me, since for the next month at least, the largest market could price all the cards at $1,400 and sell them all, even if they should be priced for $400.

tl;dr I think these prices will normalize, that this isn't a new normal for graphics cards.
 

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Like a lot of people have mentioned, AMD is making thicc profits off these parts
I don't think you understand how the current GPU sales ecosystem works. AMD makes substantially less money than NVIDIA when it comes to GPU margins. You should go through the latest earnings calls as well.
 

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AMD makes substantially less money than NVIDIA when it comes to GPU margins.

No, I know that, too, especially on the 3090 which is ... just selling no matter what, but for AMD, they're enjoying the same price points Nvidia's set. Plus I think Nvidia painted themselves into a corner with small amounts of RAM and they're itching for a refresh.

Maybe it's just wishful thinking, though, and nobody's going to back down for the rest of the year, not AMD, not Nvidia, not the miners, and not the gamers.
 

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I don't think these prices will hold in the long term. Someone's going to slash prices, probably leading up to refresh time (which might put Nvidia in the lead, there) and then they'll go into a price war.

Like a lot of people have mentioned, AMD is making thicc profits off these parts, so while they're in a position to start a price war, I don't think they'll drop prices first. As for miners, they know we're on the edge of a bubble, so it's looking less and less safe to overspend on graphics cards, although I think they'll be safe for the next 4-6 months.

Which is fine by me, since for the next month at least, the largest market could price all the cards at $1,400 and sell them all, even if they should be priced for $400.

tl;dr I think these prices will normalize, that this isn't a new normal for graphics cards.
I have 2 GeForce 8800 Ultras (for SLI, of course) sitting on my shelf at home. BFG Tech OEM...gotta love that lifetime warranty! Anyway, I purchased them on launch day for $900 ish (a piece!) from Newegg. Newegg had a limit of 1 per person. They happily let me purchase 2. I suspect the reason they did, is because I was the only one buying that day. I paid bank for those cards. But I had NO trouble getting them...no website errors...no OOS...they were at my front door 2 days later.

My point: The market didn't support that pricing level at that time. It seems to now (along with other things...as I said, Pandemic and all).

With nVidia and AMD seemingly in price collusion now, I think the only hope for the video card market would be if Intel crashed the party with a low-cost-similar-performance offering. That would upend things. But now you effectively have AMD and nVidia acting as 'one entity' when it comes to the video card market, and the GPU situation consequently is not dissimilar to what we saw in the CPU market before Ryzen arrived on the scene.

Good news is that if Intel comes through, there is hope for the GPU market.
 

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what the hell, trying to get one from shuffle. May just mine with it or use it and then make a nicehash miner out of my 1080ti or just sell my 1080ti for mega bucks. who knows.

it doesn't seem that much better than the 1080ti.
 

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I'm tempted to click on the shuffle, but I really don't need a 6700XT. I got a card with HDMI 2.1 for VRR on the only display I have that supports it.
 

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The ASUS Tuf 6700XT is $800?? (See today's newegg shuffle) lol
A bunch of them are listed at $480 at least.

(I bet they still sell)
 

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why wouldn't they.

The way I see it, you're pushing the limit of where a miner can just go grab a scalped ebay card. A 5700 will perform better for mining and is about the same cost on ebay. The 3060's prior to the mining driver were in the $700 range. Seems like some of these companies are just cutting out the middleman scalper (Asus and MSI).
 

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I just got $7000 in stimulus money. An $800 video card is chicken feed these days. lolz
 

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The 5600XT official bios update situation for more performance was certainly not the best situation. But....it IS free performance.

And hey, now Nvidia is doing bios updates to add resizeable BAR ;)
But is it? What if they intentionally held it back 10% to keep initial yields happy and things more stable? Then later put out that extra 10% in a bios update to bring it where it was supposed to be, intentionally? Because they can pass off those defects as a bad flash and user error and they can spin the whole thing as giving back to the community with "free performance".
 

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I don't think you understand how the current GPU sales ecosystem works. AMD makes substantially less money than NVIDIA when it comes to GPU margins. You should go through the latest earnings calls as well.
AMD just can't manage the same economy to scale that NVidia can for their parts, their R&D costs are very similar for specific technologies, but NVidia outsells them 4 to 1 so those costs get to be spread out over a much larger base improving their margins on each card sold.
I was really hoping that the 6700 cards were going to be their hail mary, solid 1080, good 1440, and enough performance to make student and hobbyist workstation loads feasible, but it's fallen far short on that, and supply on them seems to be far worse than I thought they would be (and I wasn't expecting much).

So when I have to do the next lab refresh I'm probably looking at Intel 11400F's paired with 3060's, they are going to be loads better than the existing machines and probably at least reasonably priced from Dell given the current market. I was really hoping to toss AMD a bone on this one but they've just left me disappointed.
 

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AMD just can't manage the same economy to scale that NVidia can for their parts, their R&D costs are very similar for specific technologies, but NVidia outsells them 4 to 1 so those costs get to be spread out over a much larger base improving their margins on each card sold.
I was really hoping that the 6700 cards were going to be their hail mary, solid 1080, good 1440, and enough performance to make student and hobbyist workstation loads feasible, but it's fallen far short on that, and supply on them seems to be far worse than I thought they would be (and I wasn't expecting much).

So when I have to do the next lab refresh I'm probably looking at Intel 11400F's paired with 3060's, they are going to be loads better than the existing machines and probably at least reasonably priced from Dell given the current market. I was really hoping to toss AMD a bone on this one but they've just left me disappointed.
The cards just released yesterday and the supply on nVidia cards hasn't been great, either. At MSRP the 6700 is a decent value in today's market. I wouldn't buy any of the $600+ cards, but in yesterday's shuffle there was a decent selection of sub-$550 cards, and hopefully that will keep up.

Remember, most 3060 cards (not ti) in shuffle have been $500+, and the low end seems to mostly be the EVGA $389 card. Considering the 6700 is about 35-40% faster than the 3060 for standard raster workloads I'd say the $479 MSRP is fine for right now.
 

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Remember, most 3060 cards (not ti) in shuffle have been $500+, and the low end seems to mostly be the EVGA $389 card. Considering the 6700 is about 35-40% faster than the 3060 for standard raster workloads I'd say the $479 MSRP is fine for right now.
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it's like watching stockholm syndrome work its way into someone's mind.

$480 for a mid-range GPU? Seems fine!

Meanwhile, the GTX 970 launched at $329, the 1070 at $379, the 5700XT at $399...

these prices keep going up for the mid-range, and taking everything else with them. Pretty soon we're all going to be looking at $300+ GeForce 3050 cards and some of you guys are still going to think it's a good deal.

I can't wait to see what the inflated prices on the "new" 1050ti cards will be, and the hoops people will jump through to convince themselves they are reasonable.
 
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