AMD R9 390X, Nvidia GTX 980 Ti and Titan X Benchmarks Leaked

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  1. ChronoDetector

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    Results look interesting though I find it a bit odd that at 2560x1600 the top dog cards don't perform well but at 4K they really shine which is rather off.
     
  2. mesyn191

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    The numbers are a percentage not fps, 290X = 100%.

    Fiji XT was 149.2% @ 4K resolution so ~50% faster than 290X.
    Fiji XT was 139.9% @ 1600p resolution so ~ 40% faster than 290X.

    If the $549 price and slightly-better-than-$1K-TitanX peformance are correct AMD looks to have a winner here.

    Price gouging will likely be insane if they're even slightly supply constrained at launch though.
     
  3. Dayaks

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    I just read coffee is good for your heart. Do I believe it is true? Doesn't matter. I like coffee so it's true.

    I still can't believe people take these "leaks" as true...
     
  4. Brackle

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    Well considering Titan X is probably in reviewers hands. I can believe some of the Titan X benchmarks.

    OCUK has said they have Titan X, just cant sell them yet.
     
  5. Michaelius

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    One of our local portals was teasing some big review for next week in their article about 960 in Sli so it will be probably Titan.
     
  6. Dayaks

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    Perhaps. But I still need to see how it OC's and if it's voltage unlocked.

    I was also serious about coffee being good for your heart. I wasn't trying to make a weird analogy.

    http://heart.bmj.com/content/early/2015/02/06/heartjnl-2014-306663.abstract

    Drink on Brent!
     
  7. Brackle

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    LOL. Yea I would "think" Nvidia would keep the Titan X voltage available to play with, but I honestly don't see them doing it.

    I mean hell they got pissed at MSI for having a bios with everything unlocked....
     
  8. Quartz-1

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    I'm interested to see that the 980Ti is expected to have 6GB VRAM. As Baasha showed, that's not enough.
     
  9. trick0502

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    They aren't making a 8 chip high stack. It will still be 4 chips high, but 4x2 high instead of 4x1. So the memory bandwidth would be the same.
     
  10. mesyn191

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    /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ HBM2 will be able to give you 8GB of VRAM in the same space. The slides from the Hynix presentation have been floating around for a while now. Should be available before the end of the year. Whether AMD uses it or not is a different story. There has been nothing about it in the rumor mill.

    I think for at least the next couple of years you don't need more than 4GB of VRAM even at 4K. There are just going to be too few games that will show any benefit and the benefit that you do see will only be visible in benchmarks and not in game while you're playing.

    http://www.tweaktown.com/tweakipedia/68/amd-radeon-r9-290x-4gb-vs-8gb-4k-maxed-settings/index.html
     
  11. Dayaks

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    I will counter the tweaktown with no VRAM usage data with the Dying Light [H] review. :cool:

    http://www.hardocp.com/article/2015/03/10/dying_light_video_card_performance_review/10

    "Our recommendations, based on our experiences, lead us to recommend these VRAM capacities for the best enjoyment of Dying Light.



    1080p - 3GB VRAM Video Cards

    1440p - 4GB VRAM Video Cards

    4K - 6GB+ VRAM Video Cards"

    The article you linked mentioned the 4GB cards didn't do well in Shadow of Mordor.
     
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  12. 5150Joker

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    I'm mad because I didn't put any worth in made up benchmarks? Yeah that makes sense alright. I should go leak some made up graphs on chiphell as a social experiment.
     
  13. TaintedSquirrel

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    I hope these go viral, AMD could use some good press... Even if it's a batch of overly-fake Chinese benchmarks.
    When the news breaks in 24 hours that these are fabricated numbers, nobody will spread that news. Then the 390X launches at half the speed shown here and everybody gets mad at AMD for lying to them through leaked benchmarks or something.
     
  14. 5150Joker

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    I was reading some of the comments on wccftech and I couldn't stop laughing at how excited people got at unsubstantiated benchmarks, especially the AMD fans. It's like a starving dog that starts salivating and wagging its tail at the sight of some scraps.

    [​IMG]
     
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  15. TroyX

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    its not a joke when you get 12gb of Vram and SLI profiles before new games get released, etc.

    390x has only 4gb Vram, do you know that? did you know that AMD never releases crossfire support until months later for most games?

    its not fun waiting for new AMD drivers, like I did with the R200 series before I took them out and threw them out of my 4th floor apartment.

    AMD hasn't released a new driver for like? 3-4 months now? people still waiting for crossfire support for many new games like FC4, etc...

    if you are only looking at the prices for your next purchase I must say you are stupid, don't take it personal.

    I rather pay more money by going with NVidia for a better game support than waiting months and years for AMD drivers.

    right now I have two 980's in SLI and everything runs perfect without a single issue, getting new drivers days before new games come out is a big deal to me.

    for those who are looking to save some money by going with AMD, all I want to say is, GOOD LUCK!
     
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  17. TaintedSquirrel

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    If we're talking about the difference between $600 and $1300 then I believe the downsides are justified... And if you're only running 1 card, crossfire problems are a non-issue.

    Benchmarks could be considered a global average of a card's performance, which would include games where AMD has poor optimization. So that would mean, despite AMD's bad performance, the 390X would still be as fast or faster than the Titan X averaged across all games.
     
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    Shadow of Mordor is a inefficient console port that only has issues with 4GB if you max it out on Ultra @ 4K resolution. Dying Light is just one game and its GPU intensive enough that even at 1440p a single 290X or 980GTX can't maintain 60fps avg. with it so the VRAM usage issue with that game is largely mooted.

    4GB of VRAM will fine for a long time. By the time it isn't anymore it'll be time to upgrade anyways.

    Yea there is a Fudzilla rumor too from a couple days ago that is largely a rehash of the Hynix presentation about HBM2. NH article you linked seems to have the same information if google translate is correct.

    For a June launch it doesn't pan out to have HBM2 for the 390X. If they're doing 4GB of HBM + 4GB of GDDR5 it might be doable but there are no rumors of that just forum talk and theorycrafting. A 8GB HBM2 390X could be doable very late 2015.
     
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  19. TroyX

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    they are the crowd who still use CRT monitors and 10 year old GPU's, and they also wear $10 shoes.
     
  20. TroyX

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    first of all , Titan X wont cost $1300, lol, it is not a dual gpu card.

    second, even when I was forced to use a single 290x I still had issues with bf4 and many other games where fps would just drop by 40fps for no reason, low gpu usage, lock ups, memory leaks, etc.

    I am not arguing that AMD perf/price aint great, its better than great, but like I learned from the past with 290x crossfire it comes at a big cost.

    it felt like I been ripped off and then kicked in the groin, I rather pay more and feel I got my moneys worth and I do feel that with my two 980's in SLI.
     
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  22. TaintedSquirrel

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    As long as you feel like waiting an extra 6 months.
     
  23. Dayaks

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    4GB VRAM might be ok for a single card but you're cutting it close. For multiGPU and cards this powerful it's a no buy for me if it only has 4GB.

    I could care less if something a console port, coded wrong, ect. If a card can't run it properly it is what it is. The card isn't good enough.
     
  24. Brackle

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    With everyone arguing about 4GB not enough. It has been confirmed with DX12 that when you sli/crossfire cards now that it pools the memory as one.

    So if you crossfire 2 390x's in DX12 it will have 8GB memory over all.

    Same with Titan X. Would be 24GB of memory in DX12.

    Not sure if this works with JUST DX12 titles, or windows X.

    Anyway just something to think about.
     
  25. TaintedSquirrel

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    By the time DX12 matters, people will be buying the R9 490X and GTX 1080.
     
  26. 5150Joker

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    Yup and even that's being optimistic.
     
  27. Dayaks

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    This.

    I am slightly skeptical anyways. How do you get data from GPU 2 (let's say 2GB) if you need it on GPU1? The bandwidth blows between the cards when compared to VRAM and GPU core on the same card.
     
  28. Michaelius

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    Someone has to write code specifically to use such feature. Considering how shitty modern games are with SLI/CF support at release it sounds extremely optimistic.
     
  29. mesyn191

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    Multi GPU from either vendor is pretty problematic though. Even if the VRAM is there the drivers can cause performance or stuttering issues. Very irritating to say the least.

    There is always some game out there that brings the hardware to its knees for whatever reason but isn't necessarily a good indicator of the shape of things to come or an effective benchmark. Remember Crysis?

    The developer has to code the game properly with this in mind though. They can't just do a recompile with DX12 specs flagged and AMD/nV can't just write a driver to do it for them either.

    I hope the developers do this but I'm not too optimistic.
     
  30. mesyn191

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    DX12 makes memory and buffer management explicit vs DX11 which was a 'black box' designed to hide all that in order to make programming for the GPU easier.

    A properly written DX12 game would 'know' what asset would have to go where before hand so it would just split everything up appropriately between 2 or more GPU's while the game was loading in order to minimize bandwidth and timing issues.

    Some good info. about this:
    http://www.gamedev.net/topic/666419-what-are-your-opinions-on-dx12vulkanmantle/#entry5215019

     
  31. fixedmy7970

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    lol.

    alas, the 390x has arrived.
     
  32. naticus

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    980ti.....hmmmm.
     
  33. magoo

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    The power needs for the 290X ( I have two) are nuts compared to the 980 (I have two).
    The heat and noise from the 290 is/was unbearable. I necessarily had to watercool them just to have some peace and quiet. I don't care how good the 390X will be, the noise and heat won't be worth it.
    Not to mention AMD hasn't put out a driver since December.

    Please.
    AMD hasn't released a driver or hotfix since the Omega in December.
    Maybe you have inside information, but AMDs support has fallen off the radar.
    I don't care how good/bad NVidia has been lately, they are at least still there with releases.

    On the other side of the argument, nearly every game released lately has been FUBAR on release day, that isn't the driver software's fault.
     
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    Freesync driver is Mar 19th.
    http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/single-gpu-amd-freesync-driver-march-19th.html

    Every game with the "Nvidia" logo attached to it.
    According to AMD there is no Far Cry 4 crossfire support since they're waiting on Ubisoft. Just one example...

    I'm curious how anyone expects AMD to succeed in the PC gaming industry that is now heavily owned by Nvidia.
    They'll just keep buying out game developers/publishers until eventually AMD becomes obsolete... Then people will come on these forums and praise Nvidia for doing so, and shame AMD for failing.
     
  35. Blue_Scholar

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    Wouldn't that violate anti-trust laws?
     
  36. mesyn191

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    Hard to prove in a court of law.

    Also enforcement of US Anti Trust laws is a joke these days.
     
  37. naticus

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    And this is why I can't go AMD regardless of how good their new cards are. The games will run better on Nvidia and NV will keep releasing drivers for their TWIIMTBP games.


    It is shitty but it is the reality of the PC gaming AAA segment. I mean just look at the last 6 months of big game releases, they have all played like ass on AMD. I really wish Samsung would just buy them out and give them the capital to really compete with NV & Intel.
     
  38. TaintedSquirrel

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    This statement makes no sense. What makes a video card "good" is its performance relative to its price, both relative to the competition.

    If one 390X matches the Titan X across 19 games, and you can buy two 390X's for the price of one Titan X, why would you buy the Titan X for any other reason besides VRAM limitations? Now you're paying nearly twice as much to dodge Crossfire issues which in this case is 'free' performance, and rely on whatever special optimizations Nvidia floats in future games beyond the ones benchmarked. Presumably some of the games tested in these benchmarks were Far Cry 4, Dying Light, Unity, etc, which favor Nvidia hardware and still lost to (or tied with) AMD.

    The games might "run better" on Nvidia hardware, but it doesn't really matter if AMD still has a larger performance gap / lower price. So it all evens out, unless you happen to have a bottomless wallet.
     
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  39. Airbrushkid

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    Well I will always buy Nvidia. They always worked for me all these years. That cannot be said for Ati as for my experience.
     
  40. Dayaks

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    I would of just stopped at buying the same performance for half the price. :D