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AMD Polaris 10 Has 390/390X Performance
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You expect technology to standstill?
The 5770 mainstream was as fast as the 4870 (AMD's top GPU at the time)
The 6870 mainstream was as fast as the 5870 (AMD's top GPU at the time)
The 7870 mainstream was as fast(or faster) as the 6970 (AMD's top GPU at the time)
The R9-280x mainstream was as fast (or faster) as the 7970 (AMD's top GPU at the time)
The R9-390x mainstream was faster than the R9-290x(AMD's Top GPU at the time)
(Yeah, mainstream went from the $150 Radeon 5770 to $400+ with the R9-390x, inflation is a bitch...as well as AMD and nVidia wrenching up prices for their respective tiers)
So Polaris will either be called the R9-490(x), but with that carries the weight of being a near top end card and would have to have a price/performance to match, or the R9-480(x), which carries the burden of being cheaper, but more mainstream. AMD has repeatedly said that like Evergreen(Radeon 4870) Ellsmere will be a mainstream card. So, that leaves out using the R9-490(x) name. So AMD is going to "up-market" the x80-class cards.
Vega likely won't be out till next year. At which AMD is just going to refresh Polaris as the R9-580 and R9-580x(you're going to see a HUGE amount of OCing headroom on the initial run of Polaris) and release Vega as the R9-590 and R9-590x. I don't believe that the Fury(x) will have a proper replacement, unless the R9-590(x) both use cut down Vegas, with the full Vega being used for the Fury-X replacement (Let's call it the "Rage-X" ).
What's funny is that nVidia is probably aware of a "Radeon 4870 v GTX280" situation happening again, but they will probably still go ahead and over-price their cards at launch. Best case, they send refund checks again to early adopters of the GTX1080 and GTX1070, when the R9-480x provides 85-105% of the GTX1080 for almost half the price, and then lower prices to being $50-$70 above their AMD competitors. Worst case, nVidia says "Deal with it" to early adopters, and lowers prices on the GTX980-Ti to $449 and the GTX980 to $299 to compete with Polaris while keeping Pascal for "premium" customers.
That is a good point.
Providing 390-390x performance at $300 sounds really good, but mainly if one does not already have a 290x/390x, or even maybe a 390.
What is the incentive for those with Hawaii enthusiast tier cards and will they wait until Vega or possibly feel the urge to buy whichever manufacturer provides decent performance gains soonest.
But then AMD has been pretty clear they are targetting mainstream, which a lot of us has debated about over the last week and exactly what it meant.
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These aren't rumors, this is something you just wrote
Then you ignored two posts asking for your sources and instead replying with a lot of text justifying your hypothesis.
You didn't even bother to make it look real cause gp104 obviously can't have 6gb ram
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Ieldra
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Even if you just match him for quality, your voice will inevitably be an improvement
Well there is also a 2nd rumour from multiple sources that NVIDIA is releasing the 1060 (albeit a month later it seems and not sure if it is a ti model).
This may mean NVIDIA can charge a little more for both the 1070 and 1080 compared to the Maxwell 2 cards they replaced (sucks if happens but they have no competition and they could also "justify" this with the performance boost), while releasing the 1060(ti) to compete on price-performance with Polaris 10....
A big if, but ties into multiple rumours that recently came out (which could all be based upon speculation).
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I sincerely doubt gp104 will be marketed as a Titan or a x80ti.
Probably gp104-400 is x80, - 200 is x70, - 150 either x60ti or mobile chip
This is what is worrying, if x60ti comes soon it will throw a wrench in AMD's strategy
I agree they will not market it as that, just they will increase the price by around $50-$100 for the 1070 and 1080 with the justification of their performance boost.
Then much later I guess the price will drop, they did the same with the 980 where it was painful rrp at release and it gradually came down.
The 1060 IMO will be seen as the best priced product and focused to compete with Polaris 10, but then the rumour has this spec'd with a 192-bit bus, so there is possibly a pro-con just like with the 970 (different pro-con though).
All speculation and rumours of course.
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Pretty much what I expected loving all the fanboy rage though, all those performance projections are based on a RUMOR!!!!!
And anyone on a highend card needs to wait for Vega!!
And anyone on a highend card needs to wait for Vega!!
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I have to be honest, I'm quite looking forward to all the salty tears, lots of people beating chests and treating Polaris like the second coming of christ.
I am the second coming of christ, not Polaris
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Boring.
Most gamers are looking for higher performance, not increased power efficiency.
Give me Fury X performance at $299.99, then I'll be interested.
Most gamers are looking for higher performance, not increased power efficiency.
Give me Fury X performance at $299.99, then I'll be interested.
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I have to be honest, I'm quite looking forward to all the salty tears, lots of people beating chests and treating Polaris like the second coming of christ.
I am the second coming of christ, not Polaris
Your contribution as usual of a very high standard and on topic.
Polaris is a mid range card the only person delusional enough about treating it like the second coming of Christ is you
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Oh dear, some hostility here, and an accusation inconsistent with my entire post history. What shall I ever do ?
Thanks!
A couple reasons
A) They will want to extract maximum profits from their new cards before competition comes along and forces prices lower
B) The yields at 14nm are probably still not great. Each new shrink it seems to take longer for good yields/lower prices.
Just wait for HardOCP and some other site reviews, HardOCP I hope gets two samples, at least one (of each new card) though and maybe team up with another site if need be for a CFX evaluation later. This may also warrant some DX12 testing to compare to the previous generation even though the game sampling at the moment is probably not the best in regards to DX12.
I am thinking (take it for granted) that AMD is more interested in price point, availability and real profit. They really need to established themselves on the mainstream market. So they need to beat handily anything Nvidia has out for a given price point.
I am thinking (take it for granted) that AMD is more interested in price point, availability and real profit. They really need to established themselves on the mainstream market. So they need to beat handily anything Nvidia has out for a given price point.
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Same freaken boat, man.
Got the go-ahead from the wife for the upgrade, but with new right around the corner I'm just itching for these cards to drop.
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If they don't move the price/performance bar in three years they are going to have a lot more to worry about than maximizing profits. People just won't buy it and this strategy would also require Nvidia to similarly not improve performance in the mid range price points.
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You are one of the people who would be very happy with Polaris 10. I imagine the cut down version will offer higher perf/$
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Yes, you're missing the fact that a 290x couldn't be had for 250-300$ three years ago, that a 390x performs better than it, and that this card will likely consume half the amount of power, and it's geometry performance is essentially doubled.
290x launch price 549$
390x launch price 429$
OK I see how your only referencing the x model... so...
Not 3 years ago.
2 years ago.
And I admit, I am referring to prices you could get 290's for here on the FS/FT section of the forums so maybe that's not totally fair.
Yeah. Not AS bizarre. But still.
Not 3 years ago.
2 years ago.
And I admit, I am referring to prices you could get 290's for here on the FS/FT section of the forums so maybe that's not totally fair.
Yeah. Not AS bizarre. But still.
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Not totally fair? That's not fair at all...
Let me tell you what would be bizarre
Polaris 10
230mm^2
~120W
~$300
~Fury X performance
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whoa whoa whoa there tex.
GPU prices have not inflated that much, this is more appropriate:
The 5770 was replaced with the 6870.
The 6870 qwas replaced by the 7870.
The 7870 was replaced by the 280X.
The 280X was replaced by the 380X.
Even then, its more appropriate to replace the 7870 with a 270X.
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I think he was comparing top cards to the ones they replaced not a direct line for each generation.
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Even still. The Fury X does not 'replace' the 290X. The 390X replaced it. The Fury X is a new tier.
Just like the 780 Ti did not replace the 680, the 780 did. The 980 replaced the 780, and the 980 Ti replaced the 780 Ti. The 780 Ti essentially introduced a new tier. The Fury X is a new Tier of card.
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I came here to post this exact thing.
Last year the lineup was:
R9 380 - $229
R9 390 - $329
R9 390x - $429
If Polaris 10 has R9 390 performance, it had better be called the R9 480 and sold at $229 ($10-$20 more for custom OC'd models, of course).
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The smaller Polaris 10 SKUs has 2304 sps, 10% less than 390 and will probably sell for around 220 as you say
The bigger one will cost more and have 2560 sps and cost maybe 280
Dont forget geometry performance is doubled. No more crying about tesselation hopefully
The bigger one will cost more and have 2560 sps and cost maybe 280
Dont forget geometry performance is doubled. No more crying about tesselation hopefully
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Its not so much crying about tessellation but the unnecessary level it gets set at. Most AMD users know and use the level adjustment we have in Catalyst Control Center/Crimson so it isn't that huge a deal. Its more an issue with the fact that 64X was the only setting in game other than off. It was quite entertaining as even in NVIDIAs settings manual on their site for the Witcher 3 (sorry cant remember what it is called to save my life) the differences between the tess levels was very hard to tell above 8-16X (think this was using .cfg tweaks). I think it would have gone over a lot better had there been a level setting in game at release. It just looked a little to shady being the greater deal of users likely couldn't handle the tess level.
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blame the developer, the important thing is tesselation performance should be roughly on par with maxwell with gcn 1.3
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I predict the card will fall short of matching 390 performance in many games like the 380x did compared to the 280x. I hope it matches or beats the 390x in all games but i feel like it wont. A cheap price and low power draw will be the main thing this card will offer over current choices. Well probably see about 3 games initially were it beats 390's so its gives it some purpose. i hope im wrong. These cards going to limited to 4gb as well?
i hope im wrong. These cards going to limited to 4gb as well?
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I predict the card will fall short of matching 390 performance in many games like the 380x did compared to the 280x. I hope it matches or beats the 390x in all games but i feel like it wont. A cheap price and low power draw will be the main thing this card will offer over current choices. Well probably see about 3 games initially were it beats 390's so its gives it some purpose.
These cards will most likely use 8GB GDDR5X or GDDR5 memory.
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Well AMD has been dropping journalists who write inconvenient articles in favour of youtubers/bloggers for some time already
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Well AMD has been dropping journalists who write inconvenient articles in favour of youtubers/bloggers for some time already
Its marketing, man. Back when AMD was competing neck-and-neck with Nvidia, honest, fair reviews did DICK for the company, as you can offer someone an AMD product faster and cheaper than the Nvidia equivalent and Nvidia still gets the sale.
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If he becomes a hashtag #RTP hashtag member I'm pretty sure he has to state that in his future reviews.Well AMD has been dropping journalists who write inconvenient articles in favour of youtubers/bloggers for some time already
Based on the discussions I've had with him, he thinks he's god's gift to tech reviews, a paragon of objectivity. Just like every other twat on YouTube with an inflated ego.
All you have to do is record yourself swooning over AMD for 20 minutes, submit it to their subreddit, and let the "This guy really knows what he's talking about" flow in. A few weeks later -- BOOM, free stuff.
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I hate to say this but AMD looks lined up for another flop. I consider Fury X to be a flop especially considering what the Fury nano can do.. 300 watts is a lot of power to work with and I want double the performance of my 980 ti for the sake of 4k and 8k screens. I game at 1600p but the witcher 3 on ultra can only do 75-85 FPS max, it must be above 120 fps at least. The sick thing is I held into my ati 7970 for almost 4 years and that was because the gpu market stagnated. I blame Obama they were cranking out new faster gpus every year before he was in office
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Isn't he the same guy who said something along the lines of "If there's anyone who can screw this up: Its AMD"
I think he's more about the AMD narrative than the AMD fanboyism.
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AMD won't flop since they will have the only GPUs sub-$400.
I actually had to unflair my "980 Ti" a few months ago due to personal harrassment. I stopped going there entirely for about 4 months but recently started again with Polaris getting closer.
I don't know what "he's about" but his videos constantly float to the top of /r/AMD which is basically the AMD echo chamber capitol of the internet. You don't top that subreddit by criticizing AMD.
I actually had to unflair my "980 Ti" a few months ago due to personal harrassment. I stopped going there entirely for about 4 months but recently started again with Polaris getting closer.