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I dont trust these rumors. Ellsmere is the 480 or 490's. Not the Fury's. Fury will be Vega our later this year or early next.
Where did those rumored prices come from?
If the AMD rumors are true, NV will need to substantially drop their prices.
That is a good point.Is that enough to make their own people with 290/390 290X/390X spend money on upgrade?
Is that enough to make people from nvidia camp jump the chip and go to AMD side? I don't think so..
Just some price and performance rumors
Pascal will be out first with the GTX1070 and GTX1080, mid to late June for a release date.
- GTX1070 = (GP104-150) Roughly GTX980-Ti performance, 6GB GDDR5, $499.99
- GTX1080 = (GP104-200) GTX980-Ti +20% performance, 8GB GDDR5x, $849.99
- GTX1080-Ti = (GP104-400) Titan-X +35% performance, 16GB GDDR5x, $1199.99
AMD will be out between late June and early August with:
- R9-480 =(Ellsmere-Pro), R9-390x performance, 4GB GDDR5, $259
- R9-480 =(Ellsmere-Pro), R9-Fury +10% performance, 8GB GDDR5x, $339
- R9-480x =(Ellsmere-XT), R9-Fury-X +15% performance, 8GB GDDR5x, $449
If this buffoon gets review samples from AMD/Nvidia I will lose all faith in humanity.
Who am I kidding, of course he's getting a Polaris sample.
I really need to start a YouTube channel.
What's funny is that nVidia is probably aware of a "Radeon 4870 v GTX280" situation happening again, but they will probably still go ahead and over-price their cards at launch. Best case, they send refund checks again to early adopters of the GTX1080 and GTX1070, when the R9-480x provides 85-105% of the GTX1080 for almost half the price, and then lower prices to being $50-$70 above their AMD competitors. Worst case, nVidia says "Deal with it" to early adopters, and lowers prices on the GTX980-Ti to $449 and the GTX980 to $299 to compete with Polaris while keeping Pascal for "premium" customers.
Well there is also a 2nd rumour from multiple sources that NVIDIA is releasing the 1060 (albeit a month later it seems and not sure if it is a ti model).
This may mean NVIDIA can charge a little more for both the 1070 and 1080 compared to the Maxwell 2 cards they replaced (sucks if happens but they have no competition and they could also "justify" this with the performance boost), while releasing the 1060(ti) to compete on price-performance with Polaris 10....
A big if, but ties into multiple rumours that recently came out (which could all be based upon speculation).
I agree they will not market it as that, just they will increase the price by around $50-$100 for the 1070 and 1080 with the justification of their performance boost.I sincerely doubt gp104 will be marketed as a Titan or a x80ti.
Probably gp104-400 is x80, - 200 is x70, - 150 either x60ti or mobile chip
Pretty much what I expected loving all the fanboy rage though, all those performance projections are based on a RUMOR!!!!!
And anyone on a highend card needs to wait for Vega!!
I have to be honest, I'm quite looking forward to all the salty tears, lots of people beating chests and treating Polaris like the second coming of christ.
I am the second coming of christ, not Polaris
What's with everyone calling me by name these days...
Polaris is a mid range card the only person delusional enough about treating it like the second coming of Christ is you
Your contribution as usual of a very high standard and on topic.
This doesn't make any sense. I bought 2 290x for <300$ each brand new and they perform the same as a 390X. Why would a 2 generations newer card on a smaller processing node that isn't a simple re-brand perform the same for the same price?
I'm looking for a ~$300 replacement to my aging 6970. I hope this generation has a compelling offering.
A couple reasons
A) They will want to extract maximum profits from their new cards before competition comes along and forces prices lower
B) The yields at 14nm are probably still not great. Each new shrink it seems to take longer for good yields/lower prices.
Same freaken boat, man.
Got the go-ahead from the wife for the upgrade, but with new right around the corner I'm just itching for these cards to drop.
I feel like I live in bizarro world...
Same level of performance as 3 years ago for the same price?
Am I missing something?
OK I see how your only referencing the x model... so...
Not 3 years ago.
2 years ago.
And I admit, I am referring to prices you could get 290's for here on the FS/FT section of the forums so maybe that's not totally fair.
Yeah. Not AS bizarre. But still.
You expect technology to standstill?
The 5770 mainstream was as fast as the 4870 (AMD's top GPU at the time)
The 6870 mainstream was as fast as the 5870 (AMD's top GPU at the time)
The 7870 mainstream was as fast(or faster) as the 6970 (AMD's top GPU at the time)
The R9-280x mainstream was as fast (or faster) as the 7970 (AMD's top GPU at the time)
The R9-390x mainstream was faster than the R9-290x(AMD's Top GPU at the time)
(Yeah, mainstream went from the $150 Radeon 5770 to $400+ with the R9-390x, inflation is a bitch...as well as AMD and nVidia wrenching up prices for their respective tiers)
So Polaris will either be called the R9-490(x), but with that carries the weight of being a near top end card and would have to have a price/performance to match, or the R9-480(x), which carries the burden of being cheaper, but more mainstream. AMD has repeatedly said that like Evergreen(Radeon 4870) Ellsmere will be a mainstream card. So, that leaves out using the R9-490(x) name. So AMD is going to "up-market" the x80-class cards.
Vega likely won't be out till next year. At which AMD is just going to refresh Polaris as the R9-580 and R9-580x(you're going to see a HUGE amount of OCing headroom on the initial run of Polaris) and release Vega as the R9-590 and R9-590x. I don't believe that the Fury(x) will have a proper replacement, unless the R9-590(x) both use cut down Vegas, with the full Vega being used for the Fury-X replacement (Let's call it the "Rage-X" ).
I think he was comparing top cards to the ones they replaced not a direct line for each generation.whoa whoa whoa there tex.
GPU prices have not inflated that much, this is more appropriate:
The 5770 was replaced with the 6870.
The 6870 qwas replaced by the 7870.
The 7870 was replaced by the 280X.
The 280X was replaced by the 380X.
Even then, its more appropriate to replace the 7870 with a 270X.
I think he was comparing top cards to the ones they replaced not a direct line for each generation.
You can get 390 performance for $300 today. Just buy a 390. (or a GTX 970)
Its not so much crying about tessellation but the unnecessary level it gets set at. Most AMD users know and use the level adjustment we have in Catalyst Control Center/Crimson so it isn't that huge a deal. Its more an issue with the fact that 64X was the only setting in game other than off. It was quite entertaining as even in NVIDIAs settings manual on their site for the Witcher 3 (sorry cant remember what it is called to save my life) the differences between the tess levels was very hard to tell above 8-16X (think this was using .cfg tweaks). I think it would have gone over a lot better had there been a level setting in game at release. It just looked a little to shady being the greater deal of users likely couldn't handle the tess level.The smaller Polaris 10 SKUs has 2304 sps, 10% less than 390 and will probably sell for around 220 as you say
The bigger one will cost more and have 2560 sps and cost maybe 280
Dont forget geometry performance is doubled. No more crying about tesselation hopefully
Vega being used for the Fury-X replacement (Let's call it the "Rage-X" ).
blame the developer, the important thing is tesselation performance should be roughly on par with maxwell with gcn 1.3Its not so much crying about tessellation but the unnecessary level it gets set at. Most AMD users know and use the level adjustment we have in Catalyst Control Center/Crimson so it isn't that huge a deal. Its more an issue with the fact that 64X was the only setting in game other than off. It was quite entertaining as even in NVIDIAs settings manual on their site for the Witcher 3 (sorry cant remember what it is called to save my life) the differences between the tess levels was very hard to tell above 8-16X (think this was using .cfg tweaks). I think it would have gone over a lot better had there been a level setting in game at release. It just looked a little to shady being the greater deal of users likely couldn't handle the tess level.
I predict the card will fall short of matching 390 performance in many games like the 380x did compared to the 280x. I hope it matches or beats the 390x in all games but i feel like it wont. A cheap price and low power draw will be the main thing this card will offer over current choices. Well probably see about 3 games initially were it beats 390's so its gives it some purpose. i hope im wrong. These cards going to limited to 4gb as well?
He did get picked up by AMD according to this Reddit post:
I'm sure he'll be able to present a completely fair and unbiased perspective, though. Like he always has. Can you see the dripping sarcasm here?
Well AMD has been dropping journalists who write inconvenient articles in favour of youtubers/bloggers for some time already
If he becomes a hashtag #RTP hashtag member I'm pretty sure he has to state that in his future reviews.Well AMD has been dropping journalists who write inconvenient articles in favour of youtubers/bloggers for some time already
If he becomes a hashtag #RTP hashtag member I'm pretty sure he has to state that in his future reviews.
Based on the discussions I've had with him, he thinks he's god's gift to tech reviews, a paragon of objectivity. Just like every other twat on YouTube with an inflated ego.
All you have to do is record yourself swooning over AMD for 20 minutes, submit it to their subreddit, and let the "This guy really knows what he's talking about" flow in. A few weeks later -- BOOM, free stuff.
I don't know what "he's about" but his videos constantly float to the top of /r/AMD which is basically the AMD echo chamber capitol of the internet. You don't top that subreddit by criticizing AMD.I think he's more about the AMD narrative than the AMD fanboyism.