AMD Not providing R9 Nano samples to several sites.

Discussion in 'Video Cards' started by Stoly, Sep 3, 2015.

  1. FrgMstr

    FrgMstr Just Plain Mean Staff Member

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    Not going to come close to happening. I put a hold on all these parts we need for testing. I ordered nothing because we could not get delivery dates on Nano from AMD. That all said, I would suggest Elmy's card is in no way representative of what would be sold in NA.
     
  2. n=1

    n=1 2[H]4U

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    Source?
     
  3. HockeyJon

    HockeyJon [H]ard|Gawd

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    This whole episode is truly stunning.
     
  4. FrgMstr

    FrgMstr Just Plain Mean Staff Member

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    Well, when you come back and do the EXACT same thing you were just temp-banned for.....you kind of have it coming, especially when it is in the guy who runs the forum thread.
     
  5. Nenu

    Nenu [H]ardened

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    I guess you missed him at his best.
    Anyone who showed a concern for what AMD has been doing was labelled an AMD hater.
    He is part of the reason why the forums appear to be full of AMD hate because he bullshitted so much that his comments had to be rebuffed.
    He kept arguments alive constantly which had the opposite effect for AMD because more people got to read about them, eventually in chronic detail.

    One good thing did come out of all this, he is gone :p
     
  6. DPI

    DPI Nitpick Police

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    Bingo. AMD could have review-proofed their product by making a better product. Instead you read a lot of deflect, deflect, deflect. Blame review sites, blame "bias", blame conference calls, blame Nvidia, blame GameWorks, blame developers, blame drivers, blame the lunar cycle. At least nobody blamed Obama.

    At what point does AMD bear some responsibility?
     
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  7. Chimpee

    Chimpee [H]ard|Gawd

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    It would have been a non issue if he started a thread about the overprice of Titan X in the Nvidia forum thread or video card thread, but he keeps on bringing it up in the AMD thread.
     
  8. DPI

    DPI Nitpick Police

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    Back on topic, so tomorrow the Nano NDA is lifted, yes? Predictions on performance delta between Nano and OC'd 970-ITX? Keeping in mind the 970-ITX can basically hit stock 980 performance.

    I'm thinking <=10%
     
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  9. razor1

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  11. AllBlackFan

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    PC Per.

    Same set of games/settings as their last Nvidia review, tested in a Cooler Master Elite 110 Mini ITX chassis with no loss of performance.

    "Sure...", "probably...", "...ass handed to by 970...". All wrong. :p
     
  12. cageymaru

    cageymaru [H]ard as it Gets

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    Yes, it ate the GTX 970 for lunch and spit out the bones in the PCPer review. 45% faster in some titles. It was interesting to see that you can raise the power profile and it effectively turned into a Fury X. Really I'd still just want a Fury X in the smallest case I could find. But that's me.
     
  13. Remon

    Remon Limp Gawd

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    Now that it beat the 970, there are people complaining about the size...
     
  14. polydiol

    polydiol [H]ard|Gawd

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    R9 Nano review looks like its up on Guru3d.com
     
  15. drklu

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    I don't see why Roy was so nervous, the card performs well for its size. It's just the pricing that blows.
     
  16. madgun

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    This is the biggest SHAM since the FX 5800 days. AMD will pay for this!
     
  17. polydiol

    polydiol [H]ard|Gawd

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    Start digging your grave. The Indigo Brotherhood shall find you.
     
  18. n=1

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    You know if PCPer got a review sample, I really question whether AMD was truly trying to cherry pick review sites, or Roy just didn't have a damn clue what he was doing.
     
  19. zaniix

    zaniix Gawd

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    Well Ryan was honest in the review, but he still gave it a frigging Gold Award.
     
  20. Ocellaris

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    Oddly enough, people factor price into purchasing decisions.
     
  21. drklu

    drklu 2[H]4U

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    Exactly why I would not even consider this card when better cards fit in my Ncase and perform better
     
  22. defaultluser

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    Yeah, card is just fine without all this posturing bullshit. Why the hell Roy let it happen, I have no fucking clue.

    It's overpriced, and that's because they had to cherry-pick it to fit in the low voltage curve. But it performs better than most people were giving it credit for (beats or matches a stock 980 in most games).

    If you absolutely must have GTX 980 performance in a smaller card (most 980 cards are stock overclocked, so should perform the same), and a GTX 970 Mini is just not enough for you, the this is your overpriced masterpiece. Still would be a lot easier to recommend at $550 :D
     
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    Glad to see my predictions were pretty close to bang on. I still think it's a niche SFF only, mostly marketing card though.
    For those who need that performance in a tiny space, there is no equal. People who want that will likely be prepared to pay for it too.

    It's similar to a high end GPU, with pricing to match, but without all the real estate, cutting edge performance and power consumption requirements.
    Then again, good luck fitting a GDDR5 card or a fury X, in the same space. It's not possible.

    Overall I can understand what AMD is playing, although I wish they released a Fury XX with the binned chips instead, perhaps that's what they're doing with the X2.. maybe it will OC a little better than the Fury X so far.
     
  24. PRIME1

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    Well AMD got what they wanted hand picked reviews that avoid newer games and the temperature issue. Even with sites noticing a coil whine and talking about how overpriced it is these "fair" sites gave them awards.

    This is exactly why AMD was careful on who got to see the card first.
     
  25. jwcalla

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    But...

    Will they sell any of these?
     
  26. drklu

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    I bet they will still sell well, it's not a bad card and some people simply don't give a shit about cost and will just get their new toy even though it's a bit overpriced.
     
  27. madgun

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    If anyone's looking for a new AMD toy, it would be a FuryX water cooled version. Atleast that thing has a 100$ worth of cooling equipment on it.
     
  28. defaultluser

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    You know how I know you didn't actually read any of the reviews?

    Because Hardware Canucks actually tests all f the same games as are in the current [H] test set. Plus about half a dozen more. And they didn't give it a "shining" report card:

    http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/70246-amd-r9-nano-review-18.html

    They gave it Damn Innovative, which is reserved for interesting products that are neither top-of-the-heap (Dam Good), nor good value (Dam Good Value).

    Given it's surprisingly good performance against the stock GTX 980 IN ALL THE GAMES [H] tests (it wins or matches in everything except Dying Light), it's a fair conclusion. The card does not suck, but it's overpriced, and will probably be very hard to find.

    I think their only slip up was not running a separate benchmark with Hairworks on in Witcher 3, but otherwise the results would have been exactly the same as if [H] had published them.
     
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  29. Hornet

    Hornet [H]ardness Supreme

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    IMO, the problem for Nano is that even if someone was willing to spend that much for something fancy, there are other better options out there. And if a person insist on AMD only, there's Fury X, with better performance, and a nice water cooler to go along with it. It's arguably a more interesting card. The kind of card you'd want if you want to show off a fancy expensive system.

    So, the only thing Nano has going for it is it's size, and one has to go out of their way to find a SFF system that requires Nano's size.
     
  30. n=1

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    So I'm guessing you agree that Tom's and PCPer are "unfair" sites?

    Pretty ironic then considering your posts here and here.
     
  31. defaultluser

    defaultluser [H]ardForum Junkie

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    And I assume PRIME1 thinks that Anandtech will be slobbering all over AMD's shaft with loving care?

    ...uh, nope?

    http://anandtech.com/show/9621/the-amd-radeon-r9-nano-review/18

    But hey you know, only [H] is capable of being critical and insightful, PRIME1 is so goddamned right!
     
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  32. drklu

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    It's size is exactly why it will still sell well, some just want the smallest possible package with the most power whether another card can fit in their case or not.
     
  33. Banko

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    I know there are smaller case then mine but I honestly don't understand where this Mini-ITX niche actually exists unless you are building a HTPC.

    The specs in my signature are actually an old build but I was able to fit a Titan X in just fine.

    In reality you need a case that is just longer by what 4 inches ? To what person does that matter?

    All of this sounds like pure non sense to me. Especially who is going to spend $650.00 and then get a MiniITX case for $50 that can't fit other video cards?
     
  34. n=1

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    This actually further begs the question of why AMD refused samples to some sites but not others. Clearly if they were trying to cherry pick then they failed miserably as well.

    My gut feeling says it's actually politics.
     
  35. defaultluser

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    I'd say it's just that they didn't have enough samples to go around, and they didn't want to delay YET ANOTHER MONTH.

    Where AMD dropped the ball here was not telling the press at the paper launch that some would not get the card. Then this would have been over and done with, with minimal whining.

    Instead they didn't tell anyone what was going on, and idiots like Roy were left to handle the mess...POORLY.
     
  36. DooKey

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    The relevant words are "AMD dropped the ball here" as they seem to always do.
     
  37. Chimpee

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    Yea, AMD could have easily did is just tell the reviewer to send the card back to them so other reviewers can review it, sure it may delay some reviwers, but still better than not given out cards for everyone to review.
     
  38. Ocellaris

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    If AMD couldn't produce enough samples for the bigger Tech sites to do reviews, there is no way they will be able to produce enough card to hard a notable retail or online presence by the end of the year. AMD Roy confirmed the issue was AMD not believing the card would get fair reviews everywhere.
     
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  39. Fantaz

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    they could have easily said that they didn't have enough stock to give reviewers, but that would be a lie. i like that at least they are honest about which press sites they dont like. they probably knew about the coil whine and other issues well before and planned for this.
     
  40. jbltecnicspro

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    Or... They could have just given them the card. Hell - the last couple of AMD cards were [H] gold's right? FFS, AMD.