AMD might be changing their number lineup for HD 8000 series

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  1. SolidBladez

    SolidBladez [H]ardness Supreme

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    I was taking a survey (yeah yeah.. NDA) and noticed a few references to AMD's HD 8000 series. Basically they asked of the models they listed which naming system sounded better.

    AMD Radeon R5 220 - AMD Radeon 8370
    AMD Radeon R7 260 - AMD Radeon 8730
    AMD Radeon R9 290 - AMD Radeon 8990

    I don't know if this refers to their OEM cards which are already launched or to their new lineup later this year.

    EDIT: Found this: http://videocardz.com/44408/amd-radeon-hd-9000-series-to-feature-new-naming-meet-the-radeon-r9-xxxx
     
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  2. Hooy

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    Uhhh I guess having more specific nomenclature with the R# ### is more recognizable than ####. I hate googling or searching on ebay for ATI cards because you just don't know what format people will follow.

    HD7970
    HD 7970
    ATI 7970
    AMD 7970
    AMD HD7970 etc etc
     
  3. WBurchnall

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    I think this would just serve to further confuse the average consumer whose a loyal ATI-customer:

    "I bought a 6970 and then a 7970. It's a new year, time to buy the 8970.... *looks at shelf* R9 290? ...wth?"
     
  4. Michaelius

    Michaelius [H]ardness Supreme

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    Consumers need stability of the naming system not another revolution.
     
  5. KazeoHin

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    I personally think tge GPU naming scene has been cattywompus for decades.

    A 6970 beats a 7770, even though the 7770 has a higher number. Imagine being new to all of this! I think they should consider an 'R#' scene, in which case an R2 will never beat an R7.
     
  6. next-Jin

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    I think it's fine, so long as they never go back to the MX GT GTS etc. (nvidia)

    I've never had a problem with how AMD does it.
     
  7. 450

    450 [H]ard as it Gets

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    I have to agree. Unless you are in the know about GPUs, you can easily pick up an underperforming card.
     
  8. vict0r

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    in the end of the day, logic will play its role... "hmm this is $200, hmmm this is $150" .. if you pick the $150 thinking it is better...is your fault not AMD ..

    my 2cents
     
  9. 450

    450 [H]ard as it Gets

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    But the problem is that the $150 can actually be the better card sometimes. Especially in places like Best Buy or Microcenter where older and newer cards have similar prices.
     
  10. Skripka

    Skripka [H]ardForum Junkie

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    If you're enough of a dumbass to be paying BestBuy retail for a GPU at BestBuy...you deserve whatever you get.

    That being said, the GPU naming schema has been downright stupid for a long time now.
     
  11. Butter

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    First number's been a "Generation" number for a while.
     
  12. Skripka

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    Ummm...you might want to review your history...one of the first ATI "Radeon" cards was the 7000 IIRC...then came 8K...then 9K...then the X300-X1900 cards....then we had Radeon HD series 2000-7000 yearly updates (the second time we've had 7K)...and now soon we'll have another 8K and 9K.

    The first number has only been a "generation" number since the "Radeon HD" brand came about.
     
  13. The Mac

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    HD8K and HD9K, the first series wasnt.HD.

    they can move to UD (Ultra Definition) once they get past 9K to stay parallel with TV.

    lol
     
  14. Skripka

    Skripka [H]ardForum Junkie

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    The point still stands, and you finished making it for me. ;)

    The naming schema is convoluted and has been stupid forever...all because the marketing department thinks that people will buy more GPUs when you separate generations of hardware by 1000 number increments than by 1s or 10s or 100s. The only time I ever remember that I have a Radeon HD6970 and not a "6970" or "Radeon 6970" in my sig box is when I go to get drivers, b/c honestly the lack of consistent naming convention is stupid.

    The only thing that I'm grateful for is that GPUs aren't yet named like prescription drugs or car models.
     
  15. Jorona

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    I always thought of it like this

    HD7950

    7 is Generation, 9 is Performance Class, 5 is Trim, and a 0 to make it thousands.

    If you go up one in generation and down one in performance class, then you end up with similar performance. Kinda how a 4870 performed nearly the same as a 5770 and a 6950 is similar to a 7850.
     
  16. KazeoHin

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    Personally I think the performance number should be a separate number to the series.

    Like Radeon 970: series 7

    Instead of Radeon 7970.

    That way uneducated consumers will be better off making judgements. Comparing different series video cards becomes much easier for the newcomer; Take for instance, a Radeon 770 series 7 sounds slower than a Radeon 950 series 6, but the difference between the same series is just as obvious as it always has been.

    Annother theory is to use performance numbers only and have year dates.

    Like a 2014 Radeon 750 will have roughly the same performance as a 2015 Radeon 750, but the 2015 version has lower power consumtion, is cheaper and whatnot. That way when new, more powerful silicon is made, it gets a higher number (example 2015 Radeon 760) That way people can make easy assumptions as to what card will beat what.
     
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  17. Michaelius

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    It would be better to drop number for first part then

    Radeon Gamer series 7 (=7850)
    Radeon Gamer + series 7 (=7870)
    Radeon Enthusiast series 7 (=7950)
    Radeon Extreme Edition series 7 (=7990)
    etc.
     
  18. KazeoHin

    KazeoHin [H]ardness Supreme

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    What? So you defend the current naming scheme?
     
  19. ChronoDetector

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    Didn't they already use the 8000 naming scheme for their older cards like a decade ago or whatever?
     
  20. Michaelius

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    Honestly i don't care which scheme they use - as long as they use it consequently for several generations.
     
  21. pandora's box

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    Nope, they need to keep the current naming system, also need to go back to "Pro" cards too. That way they can release the HD 9700 Pro.
     
  22. The Mac

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    lol

    that would be funny.

    sill have my AIW 9700pro.

    Im thinkin of getting it bronzed...
     
  23. The Cobra

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    The only two cards that still sit on my shelf in the closet to this day because I never had the heart to get rid of them: The 9800 Pro 256 and my FX 5800 Ultra, the dustbuster.
     
  24. Tanquen

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    My 5970 out performs my 7970. It even did better in Bitcoin mining. I knew going in that the 7970 only had one GPU but I still expected it to be faster than a 5970. The reviews I read at the time did not mention the 5970. I mostly think because it was too old by then but I think they also knew that AMD would not be happy with them pointing that out to the consumer.
    You should always do your research but aren’t you tired of being lied to about every encounter involving moneys. TV commercials and ads, cell phone plans, TV screens sizes, hard drive sizes, just about any performance number for anything, it’s like any fudging of the truth is ok as long as they don’t sell you an empty box.
     
  25. x3sphere

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    I had a 5970 awhile back... the 7970 clearly outperforms it in some situations. Basically any recent game that uses tessellation the 7970 will come out on top. The 5970 didn't have as much VRAM either which causes it to bottleneck in some titles at resolutions 2560x1600 and up. In compute-bound scenarios (Bitcoin) it is not surprising the 5970 is better. You have to remember, the 5970 is technically a dual GPU part and sites don't tend to compare single card solutions with multi-GPU.
     
  26. rudy

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    I never had a problem with the current system I think the whole point is to confuse people. they want that. because the more confused customers are the more random sales they will get for older products no one should buy. Another posted mentioned best buy.

    I think they need to just simplify the shit out of all of this.
    Simple

    Geforce 770
    First number is generation, second is performance class and third is usually a 0 but sometimes change to a number to make room for a new sku

    No Ti, No GTX, No GE, No bullshit.

    But most importantly they need to stick to something because the less tech savvy consumers take a longer time to realize something has changed, think about CPUs where there are still some people talking about Ghz like it means a damn thing anymore. I really hate the idea of R5 etc prefixes it reminds me of intels where most people will just say I have an i7 or any i5, oh really? because there is a big difference in the different models in each of those and sometimes a high end i5 is pretty much on par with a low sku i7, but they do this on purpose because OEMs like it because they can say this computer comes with an i5 but then you notice most OEMs ONLY ever put the lowest chip of a particular line into their non custom ordered devices.
     
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    NO LE
    do you remember when the LE was slower but some dealers charged more for it?
     
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    Like the ATI 8500LE or the Nvidia 6800 (Vanilla) .. yep, those were the fun days.
     
  29. Elios

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    lol they did and the 9000 still have my 9600XT around some where

    both AMD and NV need to come up with better names
    imo its time to retire the GeForce and Radeon brand names
     
  30. Hooy

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    I agree. The whole PC world needs to rename their shit. Less numbers, more code names. It's better for marketing, which is better for the end consumer.
     
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